What's wrong with prostitution?
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Moving on to the more practical standpoint, off of ridiculous religious debating, prostitution isn't a good idea because it's not like someone trying to buy a prostitute is going to get a free complimentary blood test to prevent the spread of diseases that tend to be associated with easy sex. Ethics aside, it just doesn't work, except as an agent to spread STDs around.
Plus, from what I've seen paying for it is kind of silly when you can just find yourself a 'popular' girl in the bar somewhere, or nightclub et cetera. Seems a lot of that happens around here.
Plus, from what I've seen paying for it is kind of silly when you can just find yourself a 'popular' girl in the bar somewhere, or nightclub et cetera. Seems a lot of that happens around here.
Bro-in-laws old adage is "what's the difference between paying for sex and getting it for free? Free costs more".
That aside
Even if it were legalised you'd have a two tier system, the legal selling system and the underworld.
Those who live in fear of their pimps and are hooked on drugs will be selling unprotected sex to those who demand it - legal brothels wouldn't condone or allow unprotected so there will always be a market there, even as bad as it sounds with being pretty much a guarantee of an STD there will still be that tier so you wouldn't be saving many, if any, from the hell there lives are reported to be.
So from a political viewpoint - you can help nobody and ruin your political career in one fell swoop, no MP is going to put their neck on the line for that.
I admit the legal selling viewpoint is a seductive illusion - well maintained brothels ensuring no people were traffic'd or coerced into taking part, the girls were clean of drugs as well as infections (hey, safe sex don't stop crabs) but if you think that will put an end to the other tier you're quite deluded or naive.
I suppose a good example would be to look at real life situations where it has been legalised, such as Amsterdam. I recently went there on a stag weekend and although I didn't touch I certainly looked in the windows and it didn't look much like pimps, trafficking or drugs had been stamped out by legalisation, especially when couple with the "first hand" reports from my friends who did partake in the local delicacy's.
That aside
Even if it were legalised you'd have a two tier system, the legal selling system and the underworld.
Those who live in fear of their pimps and are hooked on drugs will be selling unprotected sex to those who demand it - legal brothels wouldn't condone or allow unprotected so there will always be a market there, even as bad as it sounds with being pretty much a guarantee of an STD there will still be that tier so you wouldn't be saving many, if any, from the hell there lives are reported to be.
So from a political viewpoint - you can help nobody and ruin your political career in one fell swoop, no MP is going to put their neck on the line for that.
I admit the legal selling viewpoint is a seductive illusion - well maintained brothels ensuring no people were traffic'd or coerced into taking part, the girls were clean of drugs as well as infections (hey, safe sex don't stop crabs) but if you think that will put an end to the other tier you're quite deluded or naive.
I suppose a good example would be to look at real life situations where it has been legalised, such as Amsterdam. I recently went there on a stag weekend and although I didn't touch I certainly looked in the windows and it didn't look much like pimps, trafficking or drugs had been stamped out by legalisation, especially when couple with the "first hand" reports from my friends who did partake in the local delicacy's.
The most disturbing thing about this thread is how many people only think so far as "Why is it illegal for a person to decide what they do with their body?" Laws making prostitution illegal don't exist for protecting a person against themselves: otherwise, self-mutilation would be illegal.
Illegal activity needs to be regarded in the damages it causes to peoples lives, and decisions about the activities need to be made on the basis of cost-effectiveness of the improvements you would make by causing the activities.
The most markedly heinous aspect of prostitution is the treatment of prostitutes by their handlers. Sexual slavery takes any promise of kind treatment, respect, loving relationships, and physical security from their victims and replaces it with a lifetime of repeated forced, unconsensual sex, drug-addiction and legal troubles.
The second major negative consideration of prostitution is the spread of infectious diseases.
The third is its social implications for customers/prostitutes.
Sexual slavery and infectious diseases can be partially alleviated by legalizing prostitution. The competition of government-sanctioned brothels would make sexual slavery as an outlet for customers who simply want to pay for sex less profitable. Regulations for the use of condoms would reduce the spread of disease over the legal customer/prostitute populace. However, niches which cannot be fulfilled by sanctioned brothels would still exist. Customers desiring cheaper prostitutes, or unprotected sex, customers having diseases which prohibit them from legal prostitution, or even more disgustingly desiring the ability to abuse and dominate their prostitute would still exist, and the criminal underworld could employ the same tactics it currently uses to fulfill these niches and remain profitable.
Some people refuse to think of these things objectively, and pleas to logic for sanctioned prostitution by politicians would fall on many deaf ears, resulting in public outcry. It's true that any movement to legalize prostitution would be political suicide.
I think that for the benefit of making prostitution a taxable industry, for general health-and-safety and the trouble it would save many would-be sexual slaves, its more than worth it to legalize prostitution. Good luck finding an entire Senate/House of Representatives willing to fall on their swords to bring it about.
Also, we need a league of Batmens who do nothing but kill pimps who operate via psychological domination/drug addiction. I'm a firm believer in the basic value of human life, and I believe that any person who could do that to another person loses their own value tenfold.
I mean, ideally it'd be best if we could convince violent pimps that their ways made life as we know it worse, and that it's better to provide good services like mowing grass, or binding wounds, or treating diseases, or making steel, or advancing the arts, or engineering products. I doubt that's possible though... so the Batmens they should get.
Illegal activity needs to be regarded in the damages it causes to peoples lives, and decisions about the activities need to be made on the basis of cost-effectiveness of the improvements you would make by causing the activities.
The most markedly heinous aspect of prostitution is the treatment of prostitutes by their handlers. Sexual slavery takes any promise of kind treatment, respect, loving relationships, and physical security from their victims and replaces it with a lifetime of repeated forced, unconsensual sex, drug-addiction and legal troubles.
The second major negative consideration of prostitution is the spread of infectious diseases.
The third is its social implications for customers/prostitutes.
Sexual slavery and infectious diseases can be partially alleviated by legalizing prostitution. The competition of government-sanctioned brothels would make sexual slavery as an outlet for customers who simply want to pay for sex less profitable. Regulations for the use of condoms would reduce the spread of disease over the legal customer/prostitute populace. However, niches which cannot be fulfilled by sanctioned brothels would still exist. Customers desiring cheaper prostitutes, or unprotected sex, customers having diseases which prohibit them from legal prostitution, or even more disgustingly desiring the ability to abuse and dominate their prostitute would still exist, and the criminal underworld could employ the same tactics it currently uses to fulfill these niches and remain profitable.
Some people refuse to think of these things objectively, and pleas to logic for sanctioned prostitution by politicians would fall on many deaf ears, resulting in public outcry. It's true that any movement to legalize prostitution would be political suicide.
I think that for the benefit of making prostitution a taxable industry, for general health-and-safety and the trouble it would save many would-be sexual slaves, its more than worth it to legalize prostitution. Good luck finding an entire Senate/House of Representatives willing to fall on their swords to bring it about.
Also, we need a league of Batmens who do nothing but kill pimps who operate via psychological domination/drug addiction. I'm a firm believer in the basic value of human life, and I believe that any person who could do that to another person loses their own value tenfold.
I mean, ideally it'd be best if we could convince violent pimps that their ways made life as we know it worse, and that it's better to provide good services like mowing grass, or binding wounds, or treating diseases, or making steel, or advancing the arts, or engineering products. I doubt that's possible though... so the Batmens they should get.
I think the general consensus is, that prostitution often goes hand-in-hand with crime. Nothing inherently wrong with prostitution itself, but it's a slippery slope to crime, and attracts criminals.
Following that train of thought...
A bit like drugs. As long as an addict has a steady supply of drugs, he's okay. If a guy is living in a mansion, on top of a mountain, and has an unlimited amount of LSD that he only uses himself, he's not a problem.
But when he runs out of LSD, he's going to need more, and he ain't got the time to start filling job applications.
Following that train of thought...
A bit like drugs. As long as an addict has a steady supply of drugs, he's okay. If a guy is living in a mansion, on top of a mountain, and has an unlimited amount of LSD that he only uses himself, he's not a problem.
But when he runs out of LSD, he's going to need more, and he ain't got the time to start filling job applications.
Well, 1st year of actual IB. In my school, you take two years of Pre - IB courses, then IB courses. So I'm in my first year of real IB. Sorry for the confusion.The Infinite said:
Illegal prostitution is fucking ridiculous. Sex is the only thing I can think where it's ok to give away for free, but illegal to charge for.