What's Wrong with the new Star Wars?

[Cyanin]

Do you have 4 hours to spare?
http://redlettermedia.com/phantom_menace.html
http://redlettermedia.com/clones.html
http://redlettermedia.com/sith.html

That's what's wrong.

Watched the first one of those and those reviews annoy me so much.

Firstly, he makes good points, very good points, as to why the film's bad. But then he surrounds it in all these shit jokes and constant self-referencing.
The hour and 10 minutes could've easily been a much more bearable 45, and i could complain about the voice but i watch Extra Credits so whatever. =P

 

[Ponce Master-General]

And because Mr Plinkett says so!

I don't get why everyone uses him to make their point. it's like a instructional video on how not to be a video reviewer. repeating yourself a dozen times does not make your point more valid, missing the entire point of a scene is your fault not the film's,etc. seriously i could go on, while some points he raised were good his style was so bad i gave up after the 1st review.

oh and WTF was with that weird kidnap rape shit he kept sticking in the video?? was painful to watch.

Well if you don't like his reviews, then look up Confused Matthew's Star Wars reviews.

 

[CK76]

They are just forgettable. Nothing ever stuck out about them. Not a character, not a scene, not a line of dialog, nothing. All felt sterile and empty. I saw actors faking lines and going through choreographed motions.

I don't hate the new ones, I just no longer care.

 

[Erja_Perttu]

Because the internet and, more importantly on this site, Yahtzee says they are.

Unfortunately, I don't actually listen to either on my movie decisions. Plus, being a big Star Wars fan, I'm a little more willing to overlook it's faults.

Same thing with Indiana Jones 4. I avoided internet discussion of it because people were already predicting how bad it would be over a year before it came out based on the stupidest things. (One argument was that there was a U.S. flag seen in a preview which offended some people terribly.) I still thought it would suck because Shia "Plague of the Transformers" LeBouf was in it.

But, y'know what? I really dug on Indiana Jones 4. I even liked Shia....somewhat or, at least, didn't hate him.

Same thing with video game movies. Gamers are absolutely the worst people to listen to when it comes to movie adaptions of games. The level of butthurt from Silent Hill fans when it was announced that the lead was going to be Radha Mitchell as opposed to a man could power the Eastern Seaboard for two years if we could have converted it to electrical energy. Everytime a video game movie comes out, the same level of butthurt rises from the fans because a character used a square key instead of a circular key to open a door or other such nitpicky nonsense.

So, in the end, you have to realize that the internet is a hate machine full of people who like Moviebob or think that "Over 9000" references is the peak of comedy. This could lead you to the conclusion that listening to people on the internet over what you should and should not like is asinine. However, while that is not wholly incorrect, the crowd can sometimes be right. So here is the best way to figure out if you should listen to arguments against a movie.

1) Do the arguments have the appearance of just hating on the movie because it's cool?
2) Are the arguments against it somewhat nitpicky?
3) Does the person write in all caps/like a 13-year-old badly in need of spellcheck/make ridiculous comparisons such as comparing a movie to the Bataan Death March?
4) Is the argument on IMDB?

If so, then ignore them. These people suck.

If, however, the arguments seem reasonable, then you may want to listen to them.

Getting back to the prequels, yes, they have their problems. As an example, there was only one short scene in Episode 2 where I actually bought into Anakin & Padme's relationship and the rest of their "loving" dialogue for the trilogy fell flat on it's cardboard face. But, while they have their issues, they are not terrible movies. It's just that the original trilogy had the benefit of not being torn apart by the internet before they were released in the theater plus people were free to make up their own minds about it rather than be confronted by a large hivemind that bombards you with how badly they suck/you suck if you like it.

Frankly, I've gotten into the habit of avoiding any internet discussion of movies that I'm going to see. This way, I can see the movie with as close to an optimistic blank slate as you can get. I'd rather be pleased/disappointed on the movies merits/faults on my own rather than going into it with the preconception surviving a nuclear blast by hiding in a fridge is the W0R5T M0M3NT 1N F1LM HESTOY 3VAR!!1!

So, in the movie, if you like the prequels, more power to you.

You know until yesterday I wold have agreed with you. Yesterday I watched Phantom Menace for the first time in years. I used to love it, and I can't find a reason why. Everything about it was wince worthy (sans duel of the fates, that song is great). I couldn't find a single character I liked or sympathized with, and damn near every aspect of that movie annoyed me.

I'll admit to liking a fair few movies people hate and liking a fair few movies people seem to love (I dislike the Tron movies, like Transformers 1 and 2, own Crystal Skull on dvd) I just have to disagree with you about people thinking the prequel movies are bad because other people told them they were. I came to that conclusion all by myself.

 

[liveslowdiefast]

i could spend sevral hours writing pages and pages of reasons but really, just google why.

 

[Nomanslander]

And because Mr Plinkett says so!

I don't get why everyone uses him to make their point. it's like a instructional video on how not to be a video reviewer.

Yeah, don't try to be different just for the sake of being different.

Almost everyone on the Internet has agreed with that man in just about every aspect he hit.

=P

 

[Nimcha]

Because most Star Wars "fans" are middle-aged men who cling to their childhood memories of the movies. Some because they want to feel like kids again, some because their own lives are so empty that they cling to whatever it was that made them happy when they were kids, and some because they are jealous of the youth of today and don't want them to "steal" what they feel is theirs.

The other haters are just bandwagoners.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Because the people who complain are old enough to be blinded by nostalgia. It doesn't matter if there are worse films in the world, the whinny eight year old in the soul cries so loud only the notion of "you killed my childhood" can be heard. There is always more complaining over adding a bad movie to a franchise then just making a bad movie.

Oh this is such a fucking cop out.

Just because some people liked the original more than the prequel doesn't necessarily mean it's nostalgia, maybe they just legitimately believe it's better.

For the record, I saw all the films in episode order (1,2,3,4,5,6) and I thought the original trilogy was the best.

My main reason for disliking the prequel trilogy was that Anakins growth into Darth Vader was so fast and ridiculous it defied belief. However, that's my opinion on it, I'm sure some people found it very convincing.

If you had said *it COULD be nostalgia* then maybe I would have partially agreed with you, in some cases it is indeed nostalgia. Making a blanket statement such as;

Because the people who complain are old enough to be blinded by nostalgia

is just retarded, and I really wish people would stop putting it forward as an argument.

Don't use "retarded" as an insult. It's offensive.

The reason I didn't qualify my statement here is not because I think that's legitimately true for everyone (no statement is every true for every giving situation Russell's paradox tells us that) but because it's the reason that anybody cares and keep arguing this. If star Wars had been a failure or even moderately successful and forgettable then people might be upset with the new movies but they would probably forget them relatively quickly. Star Wars is such an icon (mostly due to people having fond memories of the original i.e. nostalgia) it's lit a fire under the collective butts of quiet a few people who continue to complain and be upset. The popularity of the original was wide spread enough that it has lead to a large portion of people being upset and continuing to complain. If Nostalgia wasn't involved and nobody cared about the originals the new movies would simply be movies (good or bad) and would quickly forgotten. Most bad movies are complained about around the time they are released and forgotten as other movies come out but Star wars has been getting flak since the first movie in 1999. A full decade later people are complain that goes beyond the "its a bad movie" that the kind of ever burning fire that comes with something memorable being destroyed. The only reason this is an issue is because Star Wars was big and it had fond memories. This is the crux of this whole issue and why this thread even began its not the sum total of the reason for hate but it is the defining reason for its continued existence and if I'm not justified to be able to ignore the "it could be" or "its partially" here for one second then I give up on making statements at all.

 

[spartandude]

while George Lucas directed all films and he is an amazing directer btw, but he wrote the prequal trililogy and he is a terrible writer, also he turned one of best characters in fiction (Darth Vader) into...... eh

 

[redisforever]

I don't know, I wouldn't have watched them if Ewan McGregor and Liam Neeson weren't in them. I loved the classic trilogy though. The new ones are good if you like CGI. I do. But not if you want characters that are interesting (*cough* Anakin *cough*) or a good story, but as films, in terms of cinematography, things like that, they're quite good. I mean, if you look at the action scenes in the prequels, and compare them to, say, Quantum of Solace, (just picked it because it demonstrated my point) where half the time the camera is so shaky, you're looking away from the action.