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Keava

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Bingo. I believe that culture has been dead on a stone slab since World War One. Mankind peaked in the 19th century, reached our apex with Beethoven's Ninth, had a great run through Brahms and Schubert and Strauss and even Wagner, but somewhere in the trenches the very best of humanity...well, something happened in there. And it wasn't pretty. And then the bombs fell on London and the Iron Curtain fell on Eastern Europe and America fell on the world and that was it.

Maybe if the scum tide of marketing and commercialism ever recedes there might be hope...that ray of light at the bottom of Pandora's box. But I don't hold out hope for humanity. I prefer instead to cocoon myself in the glory days of when mankind could reach for great heights without someone demanding that the shrinks forcefeed him happy pills like a foie gras goose.
Not really snobbish to name just 4 out of most well known composers, im sure you could do better. Also i'd suggest filling the gaps in education since musical theatre, or as we call it since around 20th century - musical, was present as a form since the early beginning of Greek tragedy, while your favoured Opera is an invention of end of 16th century.
 

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And here I thought I was going to break my own record for Most People Pissed Off At A Poster In A Thread Without Anyone Defending Them. (set during one or the other of my patented "Roger Ebert Is Still Right" rants, probably involving Heavy Rain.)
Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with your opinions on the musical as an artform but I can understand where your coming from. Its the same reason why I can enjoy Stravinsky's Firebird Suite the same why I can enjoy Daft Punk's Da Funk.

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You'll hear me passionately say that games are art before you'll ever hear me say something nice about musicals as a form. Lowest form of art, the musical.
What about Hentai?
 

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Keava said:
SimuLord said:
Bingo. I believe that culture has been dead on a stone slab since World War One. Mankind peaked in the 19th century, reached our apex with Beethoven's Ninth, had a great run through Brahms and Schubert and Strauss and even Wagner, but somewhere in the trenches the very best of humanity...well, something happened in there. And it wasn't pretty. And then the bombs fell on London and the Iron Curtain fell on Eastern Europe and America fell on the world and that was it.

Maybe if the scum tide of marketing and commercialism ever recedes there might be hope...that ray of light at the bottom of Pandora's box. But I don't hold out hope for humanity. I prefer instead to cocoon myself in the glory days of when mankind could reach for great heights without someone demanding that the shrinks forcefeed him happy pills like a foie gras goose.
Not really snobbish to name just 4 out of most well known composers, im sure you could do better. Also i'd suggest filling the gaps in education since musical theatre, or as we call it since around 20th century - musical, was present as a form since the early beginning of Greek tragedy, while your favoured Opera is an invention of end of 16th century.
You want me to bring up every composer in the entire Romantic Period? It's a general interest forum, so I named composers that people have heard of (and, well, Johann Strauss II is my personal favorite.)
 

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SimuLord said:
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SimuLord said:
Musical is the lowest form of theater, a bastardization of opera that chokes the beauty out of the form
Wow what a snob.

If you don't see any beauty in musicals you take theater way too seriously.
If preferring the orchestration and masterful craftsmanship of opera over prolefeed like musicals makes me a snob, then pass the Snob Sauce.
I've seen a lot of musicals in my time. Those that I favor have always enraptured me with incredible musical scores, written with such witty and clever lyrics with choreography that perfectly weaves the narrative together as well as any on-stage presentation I've seen. If musicals are ugly bastardizations of art, then to you, the current media that Hollywood pukes out tenfold everyday are the lowest form of scum that has ever desecrated the earth. Doubtful that you have any faith left in humanity's culture with that erring dismissal.
Bingo. I believe that culture has been dead since 1914, with the corpse blown up to ensure it could never be revived in the 1940s. Mankind peaked in the 19th century, reached our apex with Beethoven's Ninth, had a great run through Brahms and Schubert and Strauss and even Wagner, but somewhere in the trenches the very best of humanity...well, something happened in there. And it wasn't pretty. And then the bombs fell on London and the Iron Curtain fell on Eastern Europe and America fell on the world and that was it.

Maybe if the scum tide of marketing and commercialism ever recedes there might be hope...that ray of light at the bottom of Pandora's box. But I don't hold out hope for humanity. I prefer instead to cocoon myself in the glory days of when mankind could reach for great heights without someone demanding that the shrinks forcefeed him happy pills like a foie gras goose.
Yet with that dismissal, you run further from the realm of simple opinion. This doesn't come down to the simple notion of like vs dislike, but that you damn entire media and art forms that have been generated and upheld since the rise of commercialism. You're accusations against current-day marketing in media may very well be as accurate as the next, but in your condemnations, you end up damning the rest of us, including yourself, for even liking any of it regardless of your intent. Would you honestly claim that there is nothing in today's media that captivates your interest? Yet, for you to like any of it would inevitably result in your own guilt for enabling what you labeled as bastardizations, and would therefore be hypocritical from your own elitist comments. If you claim that there are exceptions or "gems", then you are in fact admitting the falsehood of your ill-hope for humanity, for their very presence nullifies your stance.

Sometimes, people need to be knocked off their high horse. I'm sorry if that seems insulting, but, like I said, this isn't a matter of opinion or certain taste. By dismissing everything with claims of cultural death, you end up kicking us all on the way out the door. At least with the concept of opinion, one can say they don't like a certain thing yet still have an appreciation for it or, at the very least, an acknowledgment of it's standing with the rest of the world. You're going to have to acknowledge the great landmarks in cultural media that we have seen over the last century, as well as it's standing with the rest of history. Not to do so is a crime against culture itself, as you began mourning it's death before it even became ill.
 

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One of my favorites is Don Quixote del la mancha. A play based on the works of Cervantes, it is about a man who thinks he is a knight, but really is just a bit crazy. Although in the end proves to be more a knight than anyone in that day and age could.
 

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Father Time said:
If you wish we could play

"Let's name great art from 19th and 20th-21st centuries" all day long.
I need to disclaim that my rant belongs to "high" culture, which is what musical theater tries to be---when it is prolefeed.

If you want to get me talking about everything in Stevie Wonder's discography between "Talking Book" and "Songs in the Key of Life", I'll show you the greatest five-year run by an artist in the history of music, high OR low/popular culture.
 

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Hard to say a favourite. Singin' in the Rain probably tops it for me, one of the all time classics. Although I am very fond of Across the Universe (mostly for the great Beatles adaptations) and Chicago. I am a bit of a connoisseur of musicals though, that is I do enjoy them. The Producers and the Phantome of the Opera get honorable mentions as the live shows are fantastic; the movie adaptations are pale in comparison.
 

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TheMightyAtrox said:
Phantom of the Opera
The only musical that didn't entirely suck for me because of some of the songs. Having a normal conversation through singing is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. If a musical could have a normal conversation and then do amazing songs it would be great, but no you HAVE to sing through the entire thing and it is painful.
 

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Wicked. Well actually, I'm the kind of person who'll be all 'but the book was better and they dumbed it down so much in the musical!' But it was still pretty good. I'm also a fan of Singin' in the Rain, which is hilarious, and Jesus Christ Superstar. The overture is one of the greatest things I've ever heard. I quite enjoy musicals. It's a nice idea - if I start dancing in the street, everyone will join in, and furthermore, they'll all know the choreography. It's amazing.
 

Keava

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SimuLord said:
Father Time said:
If you wish we could play

"Let's name great art from 19th and 20th-21st centuries" all day long.
I need to disclaim that my rant belongs to "high" culture, which is what musical theater tries to be---when it is prolefeed.

If you want to get me talking about everything in Stevie Wonder's discography between "Talking Book" and "Songs in the Key of Life", I'll show you the greatest five-year run by an artist in the history of music, high OR low/popular culture.
You should start with definition of 'high culture'. Would it only limit to arts that are based on classical view, or is it simply any work of art that is appreciated by 'elite' as in aristocracy and intelligentsia? Furthermore, your obviously beloved Romanticism was a cultural movement that reappraised what theory calls 'low culture'. So what is it?

Musicals, since about medieval times were mostly based on popular tunes, performed by travelling minstrels, always adapted to the audience language. The form never aspired to 'high culture' in its academical definition.

Times changed however and so our view on the past arts. What was low culture few centuries ago is considered high in times of mass media and best-sellers. The most common definition of low culture in our times is 'arts that appeal to masses', and i have my doubt's whenever works of Bertold Brecht are within the range of interests of your average member of society. So is it 'high' or 'low' culture?