What's Your Opinion of Occupy?
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It's been said once but I feel I must reiterate.
Fuckin hipsters.
There, I said it. Don't hate brah. That's just how it be. While there were other types of protesters, it was mostly a bunch intitled little (pardon the language) shits wanting a bigger slice of the pie. Pretty simple. I knew a lot of douches that went up. All fucking hipsters. Not exaggerating. All were annoying as fuck and frankly, it was nice to see them gone even if it was only for a few days.
That's about it. People will try arguing with me but I'm speaking from experience. I trust my personal experiences more than word of mouth. Sorry.
Fuckin hipsters.
There, I said it. Don't hate brah. That's just how it be. While there were other types of protesters, it was mostly a bunch intitled little (pardon the language) shits wanting a bigger slice of the pie. Pretty simple. I knew a lot of douches that went up. All fucking hipsters. Not exaggerating. All were annoying as fuck and frankly, it was nice to see them gone even if it was only for a few days.
That's about it. People will try arguing with me but I'm speaking from experience. I trust my personal experiences more than word of mouth. Sorry.
Krion vark tell me since when was flipping burgers or actual manual labor become a bad thing? You make it seem like you need a degree to succeed. Which I can tell you right off the bat is dead wrong. Neither of my parents hav e a degree and both do pretty well. I have an associates I don't even use and I'm still better off than any of those whining hipsters
I used to at least sympathize that they were trying to change the way things were run, but now they're causing the 99% more harm than good. I know of at least a dozen people who lost their jobs because the occupiers decided to block roads in hopes of getting their voices heard, causing them to be late and fired for it. There have been more local businesses that have been affected than big businesses, with a good portion in my state either going into bankruptcy now or flat out closed down. I also know of people who have actually quit their jobs to join the protest, and consequently are now on food stamps and getting unemployment benefits which are costing the 99% they so greatly claim to help even more. They aren't helping the 99%, they're destroying it.
They're people who say, "fuck corporations" while posting on Facebook using their MacBooks, drinking Starbucks coffee, and wearing American Eagle or Hollister plaid shirts. They're complete hypocrites who don't stand for anything outside of inconveniencing people who actually have a job that doesn't come from a basket-weaving or art history degree. They are arrogant pricks who don't listen to police and are creating a disaster area in public places that are made for people to enjoy. I'm all for people protesting whatever they feel like and I agree that protesting corporate greed is probably a good cause. But creating a Hooverville in the middle of Central Park, blocking intersections and bridges, and making cops use so-called "police brutality" is certainly not the way to go about it. I'm certain that maybe 5% of the protestors stand for something, but the other 95% are just there to bandwagon and be a nuisance.
I think they are going about their reform the wrong way.
Look at the tea party groups or the Vietnam era protests. It wasn't the rallies and people on camera holding signs in front of buildings that changed public policy. It was the organization of the people to communicate their dissatisfaction to their local politicians.
I see the OWS movement doomed to failure because they are not posing a threat to the people they are protesting against. This is not to say that they should be violent, rather they should show that the rallies are representatives of a larger social outlook.
The Tea party was a similar crazy people movement until they became politically active. Congressmen began listening to them because they showed they represented voters. Until the OWS becomes a major force in politics, its going to be relegated to the sidelines as a group of silly people.
Look at the tea party groups or the Vietnam era protests. It wasn't the rallies and people on camera holding signs in front of buildings that changed public policy. It was the organization of the people to communicate their dissatisfaction to their local politicians.
I see the OWS movement doomed to failure because they are not posing a threat to the people they are protesting against. This is not to say that they should be violent, rather they should show that the rallies are representatives of a larger social outlook.
The Tea party was a similar crazy people movement until they became politically active. Congressmen began listening to them because they showed they represented voters. Until the OWS becomes a major force in politics, its going to be relegated to the sidelines as a group of silly people.
I support many of the underlying messages of the movement. I agree that it's regrettable that sometimes the least-considered are picked out for comment, but that's the nature of a presence that has intentionally chosen not to have a figurehead. I applaud the dedication many members have shown in the face of violent repression. I'm glad that they've succeeded in getting enough attention to harness the national conversation, and I confess I prefer a scattered message to loudmouths shouting down elected officials at town hall meetings with ill-informed slogans parroted from Fox News.
Fundamentally, I believe that there is enough for all, and you shouldn't get scare-labelled a communist for suggesting we were better off when CEOs made only forty times as much as assembly-line workers.
Fundamentally, I believe that there is enough for all, and you shouldn't get scare-labelled a communist for suggesting we were better off when CEOs made only forty times as much as assembly-line workers.
Eh.
You hit someone and they say "OW". You hit a class and they say "OWS".
There's nothing terribly in-depth about the whole thing, it's a bunch of people saying "Stop hitting me". OWS should be saying "stop hitting us", but it's usually more like "stop hitting me, and people like me" and ignoring the rest of the 99%, same as everyone else does.
You hit someone and they say "OW". You hit a class and they say "OWS".
There's nothing terribly in-depth about the whole thing, it's a bunch of people saying "Stop hitting me". OWS should be saying "stop hitting us", but it's usually more like "stop hitting me, and people like me" and ignoring the rest of the 99%, same as everyone else does.
No, you're right. I've always believed that the two party system is flawed (Because most of the time, you're voting for who you think will fuck things up the least, not who you think is actually best for the country). Most of the accepted practices in Congress are pretty shitty, too. Especially things like filibusters and pig fat. Actually, I never liked the entire political structure we have in the US. A complete overhaul would be nice, but it would also be extremely unconstitutional, impractical, and other assorted things.Acrisius said:
I write off the OWS protestors because...the standard of living in the US compared to basically everywhere that isn't Europe is EXTREMELY high. There isn't much to complain about if you compare the conditions in the US to somewhere like Northern Africa, Mexico, or even China.Hatchet90 said:
Yeah, yeah 'Just because it's worse somewhere else doesn't mean we can't complain'. It kind of does. Even the poorest people in the US aren't hard off. (I mean, hell, I was homeless for a few months a while back and it wasn't like life was awful.)
Pretty much. If you have running water a roof over your head and shit live in America you are already better off than most of the world. Then again I have no sympathy for people at all. There is no reason anyone should go hungry do you have anyidea how easyit is to build a squirrel or bird snare? I lived off the land for 5 weeks in a jungle survival course off habu birds insects and birds
I don't understand why it's still happening. It lost its momentum and impact. If they want to be effective, they need to step back, gather together, and charge again. Instead, they seem to feel that sticking around there helps them, but as far as I know, they are just pissing off the locals at this point.
Honestly? It's a bunch of idealistic kids without any real goals. A grab for media attention against an incredibly generalized target. People caught up in the hype and spirit of the phenomena without any clear plans to enact change. A mess of repressed, ineffectual rage grandstanding as some sort of rebellious movement to symbolize the changing of the times. It's Woodstock without the decency of playing some good music. It's Rebel Without a Cause with all the actors in the dark on their roles.
Well... take a look at any picture. Most of the clothes they wear have designer labels, none are particularly skinny (a nice way of saying most are down right husky), all have good hair, all of their teeth, and can apparently afford to take a month off work to sit in a street and wave a piece of cardboard.
Not sure what they hope to achieve. Wealth comes from working hard, not from asking for it. This 1% stuff is kind of silly, since that 1% put in the effort to get there. Complaining about it now is pretty much the same as throwing a fit when someone pwns you on Counter Strike. Sure we could make the game easier... or you could just practice more.
I don't agree with the notion of a broken system. In my job, I see people work hard out of poverty the first world hasn't seen in decades, and then manage to make more money than I'll ever dream of. It comes at a price. There always is. Useless to complain the price is too high. Useless to be jealous of the people willing to pay.
Now doing some hard graft in whatever job you have? That's useful to everybody.
Not sure what they hope to achieve. Wealth comes from working hard, not from asking for it. This 1% stuff is kind of silly, since that 1% put in the effort to get there. Complaining about it now is pretty much the same as throwing a fit when someone pwns you on Counter Strike. Sure we could make the game easier... or you could just practice more.
I don't agree with the notion of a broken system. In my job, I see people work hard out of poverty the first world hasn't seen in decades, and then manage to make more money than I'll ever dream of. It comes at a price. There always is. Useless to complain the price is too high. Useless to be jealous of the people willing to pay.
Now doing some hard graft in whatever job you have? That's useful to everybody.
Hey I like communism/Socialism as much as the next guy but I don't really see it as a viable system and its essentially what the protests kind of boil down to. I'd like to see some changes but I don't think the protesters are going about this is a good way or present a coherent argument. Maybe if they had some sort of charismatic cult leader organizer then things would look different.