When did reading become a thing to hate?

[Geoffrey42]

well the george washington inaugural bible is also the bible used in St John's Lodge No. 1 AYM,F&AM and was originally the bible that sat on the alter in the masonic temple. It was first used by Washington because they had no bible on hand and Washington was also a freemason, as were a lot of the signers of the declaration of independence

bush is NOT a mason and should not touch it for that simple reason, it's not proper. thankfully the weather was bad and the 2 men who guard it didn't allow it to be brought out. the last mason who sat in office was ford

How then, do you feel about Eisenhower, Carter, and Bush Sr.? What about its use in the funeral procession of Zachary Taylor? Then there's its usage for "the cornerstone laying of the U.S. Capitol, ..., the centennials of the cornerstone laying of the White House, U.S. Capitol, and the Statue of Liberty, the 1964 World's Fair..." ([a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Inaugural_Bible]Wikipedia[/a]). How do you feel about those?

Either the people in charge of its care feel differently about it than you do, or they aren't very good at maintaining its propriety. Seems downright easy, if you ask me.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

How then, do you feel about Eisenhower, Carter, and Bush Sr.?

got no problem with them. Sr IS a smart man for all the issues ppl have with him, Sr is smart.

What about its use in the funeral procession of Zachary Taylor?

no issue with it being at a funeral, you also forgot lincoln but he withdrew his application because he was busy with being president and he had also made a couple enemies at one or two lodges, so he decided it was best to withdraw it

Then there's its usage for "the cornerstone laying of the U.S. Capitol, ..., the centennials of the cornerstone laying of the White House, U.S. Capitol, and the Statue of Liberty, the 1964 World's Fair..." ([a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Inaugural_Bible]Wikipedia[/a]). How do you feel about those?

the masons had SO much to do with all those things, it would have been shocking for it to not be there.

Either the people in charge of its care feel differently about it than you do, or they aren't very good at maintaining its propriety. Seems downright easy, if you ask me.

oh they can feel the same way i do BUT they are also bound by duty to do certain things.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

If spelling is the problem you have with my argument, then it must have been pretty good, huh?

No, your use of language makes me scream though.

i never pick on anyone's spelling unless it's rendered so bad you can't understand it and usually it's a grammar thing and i ask what they meant

while i see both sides, it's kinda petty to attack someone's typing/spelling skills cause after all that's why god invented spell check but even that isn't that great, i keep having to add colour and neighbour and such to the spell checker and centre

Believe me, I'd have a field day with the spelling. It's the oxymorons like vast minority that make me wonder what the communication is about.

Oh, and can we please have one thread free of Anglo/US politics? Please?

 

[Geoffrey42]

got no problem with them. Sr IS a smart man for all the issues ppl have with him, Sr is smart.

Your originally stated issue was with him not being a Mason. Now, it appears, that it is because you don't like him?

no issue with it being at a funeral, you also forgot lincoln but he withdrew his application because he was busy with being president and he had also made a couple enemies at one or two lodges, so he decided it was best to withdraw it

I left off Lincoln based on the history he apparently had with the Masons.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

Believe me, I'd have a field day with the spelling. It's the oxymorons like vast minority that make me wonder what the communication is about.

hahah i had to read that, i self corrected it to "vast majority"

actually my new favorite one is "2 business hours" a few ppl around here use that on their voicemail msg's, what the bloody hell is a business hour? i know what the business day is but how is a business hour different from a regular hour?

i just think it's petty to go after spelling, just because there's so much more you can do in an argument. i try to stay away from attacks such as that cause i suck at spelling, got a good vocabulary but i suck at spelling/typing and we will correct words as we go along in our head as well.

 

[Sib]

If they are simply a vocal/super-visible minority, it doesn't make their idiocy more relevant or widespread. It just undermines the woe-is-me piece of this thread.

No, i meant that in the middle class, which is what i would assume alot of xbox gamers to belong in, then literacy and general reading will be very high, lets say 75% are regular readers.
Now if we go to the lower class, (it's so hard not to sound pretentious when saying that) we can assume the reading levels will be fairly lower? Say 30-40% are regular readers?
A similar thing can be applied to the obscenely wealthy who would be too busy say...yachting to read. Lets say a nice 50% of them read regularly.

While those percentages are probably not accurate, they do sound about right don't they?
Lets add those up... 160/300 goes to 53.3%/100% are regular readers.
Can't beat pulling numbers out of my arse and calling them estimates can we?

 

[Geoffrey42]

No, i meant that in the middle class, which is what i would assume alot of xbox gamers to belong in, then literacy and general reading will be very high, lets say 75% are regular readers.
Now if we go to the lower class, (it's so hard not to sound pretentious when saying that) we can assume the reading levels will be fairly lower? Say 30-40% are regular readers?
A similar thing can be applied to the obscenely wealthy who would be too busy say...yachting to read. Lets say a nice 50% of them read regularly.

While those percentages are probably not accurate, they do sound about right don't they?
Lets add those up... 160/300 goes to 53.3%/100% are regular readers.
Can't beat pulling numbers out of my arse and calling them estimates can we?

So, the lower class play Wii, and the upper class play PS3? Or... maybe the distribution of console gamers across the social strata isn't that relevant to what monotreme_dream was saying in the first place? His point didn't seem related to the social strata, just that non-readers are in the minority. And even then, your point seemed to be that the minority's vocality (made that up, maybe its a real word, don't know, FF says no) made it okay that it was skewing your view?

Also, pulling numbers out of your arse... Somehow the lower, middle, and upper class make up evenly divided 33.3% segments of the population? What?

And EVEN then, is this even a rebuttal? Of what monotreme_dream said, or what I said in response to your response? Where are you going with this?

 

[Sib]

To be honest? I don't know, it was near midnight when I posted that, I think the point I was trying to make is that readers make up different amounts of the population based on social class, and the ones that we are most frequently exposed to happen to be in the social demographic that one would assume has a very high literacy rate.
Basically I think that the number of people who are actually literate is a lot less than the number of people monotreme_dream said were readers.

 

[Killcushley]

I don't really think it is a shunnable thing, i think that today's society knows that it can get (Sometimes) better entertainment doing other things that require less effort to do. Although to be perfectly honest reading the book is a lot better most of the time. Like i know there is no books of games(well that aren't films as well) but books of films usually have a lot more content and(or) better endings. Take fight club for example

Spoiler

in the movie all goes fine and well for Tyler and the buildings blow up. But in the book it tells you earlier on that Tyler has never been able to perfect this type and he has always put to much of one ingredient in and the explosion never works for him. He does the same this time and the un-named character(Refereed to as Jack in the films) gets rid of Tyler and thinks he has stopped project mayhem but in the hospital at the very end of the book is approached and told that everything is going according to plan.

I must say that i enjoyed the book ending much better. And i am really sorry if the spoiler thing didn't work i have no idea how to do it and am merely guessing