When did Zombies change?

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godofallu

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The original idea of the dead coming back to life was pretty cool so it worked; then they added the spreads like a plague aspect and it worked better.

Then zombies eventually turned into a boring and overplayed concept. So they took it to the next level by making zombies actually... effective. No longer can you go to the bathroom while the horde is shambling in your direction.

Thank god we have infected zombies now.
 

Phisi

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I suppose when we started to think that god may not exist and magic stuff in modern life didn't make much sense so we looked for a new alternative, something that could happen as apposed to they are the spawn of Satan.
 

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This may be a bit of a blanket statement, but ill give it a shot. The old zombie movies depicted numerous and seemingly unstoppable amounts of individuals all attempting to forcibly change you to their cause. Americans were generally afraid of the threat of Communism during the time of the old zombie movies; and movie writers wanted to make those fears as close as possible to the characterization of the monsters. The collective number one fear of Americans in the early 2000's changed to terrorist attacks. The new zombie movies have aspects such as biological hazards, being attacked before you even recognize danger (The zombies are much faster, and seem enjoy ambushes these days), and situations quickly getting worse and spiraling out of control. Perhaps the movie writers of today are trying to capture that fear that so many are experiencing now. Lets be honest here, people may like the old zombie movies more, but there needed to be a change, they did seem to be all the same.
 

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Dude, Infected style zombies are more akin to Romero's "ghouls" (watch Night of Living Dead, they're never referred to as zombies at all) than Romero's creatures were to zombies beforehand.

If you're interested in this sort of thing, look up some classic zombie movies. You can find a lot of them for free (legally!) on sites like youtube. "White Zombie" is a good starting point. (It has Bela Lugosi!)
 

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i think round about the sametime that movie prducers realised that we were largely bored the shambling corpse variety of zombie. remember this is enertainment, one of if not the biggest businesses on the planet.
 

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nin_ninja said:
When did zombies change from the reanimated dead into humans and other creatures becoming infected and in turn infecting others? I really don't care, but I always make a point of saying that enemies are "infected" instead of zombies in games like L4D and Resident Evil.

Your thoughts and opinions on the changes to zombies.
I actually wrote a paper in college about this, in my opinion the evolution of the zombie archetype is tied to the evolution of humanity's understanding of science.

In other words, nowadays an infection sounds more realistic and relatable, true "undead" were more popular in the bygone days of widespread superstition.
 

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It seems to me that the term Zombies has become an umbrella term for deranged, disgusting humans with a desire to eat/kill people. Which is fine, because the distinction now is that there are 2 main types of zombies: undead and infected.

Undead are typically in magic-based stories, whereas infected are in more modern sci-fi stories.
 

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Because viruses aren't supernatural. People identify easier with not-supernatural things. Most of the time.
 

thecoreyhlltt

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there are zombies AND infected... can't we all agree that there have been good examples of both in the movies and games we enjoy???
 

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6_Qubed said:
I DEMAND EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL POSTLIVING HUMANS REGARDLESS OF ETHNIC ORIGIN

(sorry)
Is that you, Reg?

OT: I personally really like the faster type of zombie. It's hard to be scared of something that you can escape with a brisk walk.
 

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TestECull said:
Zombies are not by default reanmiated corpses. The term can be applied to anything that has lost all mental function, yet continues to function as far as obtaining food is concerned.


So yes, L4D's zombies are rightfully zombies. Matter of fact, they're the closest anyone's gotten yet to how a real life zombie apocalypse might actually go down.
Thats pretty much the Definition of a Zombie.

Though a Nazi Zombie apocalypse would be fun.
 

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Zombies believe it or not is a wide theory. Anything that does not have control of basic brain functions can be a zombie.

But generally, zombies became stupidly un-zombie like around the Half-life era. You call those things zombies? THEY AREN'T. A parasitical alien is controlling the host and mutilating them. If anything, they aren't zombies, they're symbiotic.
 

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All right, I don't want to turn this into a walkers VS runners thread but come on! They're supposed to walk! The word zombie is descended from the word somnambulist = "sleepwalker".

But yes I feel the current trend really leaves Danny Boyle holding the bag of shit. Don't get me wrong, I love 28 days later but even he has categorically stated that the monsters in his film are not zombies. I think the problem with the current wave of running zombies is that they lose meaning. A good monster movie should quite often never be about the monster really. Dracula with his Eastern European origin and horndog lifestyle was easily a metaphor for the spread of STD's at the time it was written. Frankenstein was about the battle between science and God finding balance in the modern world. Zombies represent the cruel march of life towards death. Its coming for you, you can live your life as cleverly as you want, build your barricades, gather your food (or in real-life terms go jogging or give up smokes) but its still gonna get you. Slowly but surely. Romero cleverly threw his extra meanings on top of that be it racism in NOTLD, commodity fetishism in Dawn and the line between dangerous freedom and safety in dictatorship in Day. Running zombie movies often don't have time for people to catch their breath and think.
 

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SirBryghtside said:
TestECull said:
Zombies are not by default reanmiated corpses. The term can be applied to anything that has lost all mental function, yet continues to function as far as obtaining food is concerned.


So yes, L4D's zombies are rightfully zombies. Matter of fact, they're the closest anyone's gotten yet to how a real life zombie apocalypse might actually go down.
Actually, Valve have said themselves that L4D zombies aren't *technically* zombies. You do have to die first.

But OP - there are still hundreds of classic zombies out there. You can't just cite a couple of examples and then say they all are. Although I am seeing more and more undead that don't shuffle (they run) [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/miracle-of-sound/4134-The-Dead-Dont-Shuffle-Left-4-Dead] :p
I'm not saying they aren't around, I'm saying that zombies have changed over the years. This isn't a bad thing. I was just curious when and how this change occurred.
 

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When it become some undisputed canon as to what zombies are? They're just an abstract concept based on a collective human fear. The specific canon doesn't matter so long as you have groups of people who are somehow different or alien who want to do you harm chasing you, they are zombies (usually).
 
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Munchkin Zombies [http://www.worldofmunchkin.com/munchkinzombies/] (fun game) categorizes them as Atomic, Voodoo and Plague.

Voodoo Zombies are the most classical, as the term zombie actually comes from the Creole term of a person raised from the dead by a magical technique (some variants, the technique kills a live person and brings them back zombified). Usually undead zombies are the slow lumbering type, and are not felled by damage that would otherwise kill (e.g. end vital signs) so that zombie limbs or partial bodies will continue to lumber forth. Magical zombie apocalypses come when spells go wrong, when an overlord decides to raise an undead army, or simply due to it being an end-times prophecy to some sects. (I think Revelations says something to this effect.)
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Atomic Zombies come from the early era of the cold war, when the effects of nukes and radiation were not entirely known to the public (much like genetically engineered foods or nanotech today) and hence they were given magical effects by Hollywood. Radiation could give living people superpowers and raise the dead back to life. We see a throwback to this in the game Singularity, where standard alpha-particle radiation is replaced with the unknown energies of element E-99.

Then there's the more recent Plague Zombies, which is certainly the most likely case for a zombie outbreak. Left4Dead treats it as a rabies supergerm, where Zombieland stated it was a mutation of mad cow (indeed, prions are infamously difficult to track or contain). The 28DL virus was an engineered biowarfare drug. In all such cases, zombies the infected are still very much alive, but are usually immune to pain, and don't go into shock easily. Usually, all the other zombie tropes are justified in the zombie behavior (e.g. in L4D, a fallen cadaver often reveals to be a very still resting infected, hence they rise from the dead).

Not yet mentioned, are parasite zombies, much like the Half-Life headcrabs which will attack and infest a host, taking control of it at the brainstem. What is particularly scary is that there really are such creatures [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dicrocoelium_dendriticum], albeit in the ones that take control of their hosts usually do so to feed it to another creature (who then becomes the new host). We've seen many body-snatcher stories in which people become parasite zombies, yet only in Half-Life have I seen those infected associated with zombieism.

The last form is active mind-control zombies as seen in the most recent version of The Mummy. Like the followers of Imhotep, mind-control zombies seem to be cultists or other followers of a dogma or ideology. Hmmm...sounds like symbolism.

238U
 

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Zombies have been evolving and changing ever since they were first introduced to the world of cinema. It's not a new thing at all. It's one of the most fluid sub-genres of horror. It just so happens that there was a brief period where the formula remained mostly consistent because of George A Romero's influence on the sub-genre. I'd say mainstream zombie movies really started to move away from the Romero zombie in the 80s, with Return of the Living Dead to be the first American movie to really radically depart from the accepted norms of zombies at that time.

SeanTheOriginal said:
So it doesn't matter. Zombies don't exist, so trying to figure out why they're like 'X' and not like 'Y' is useless.
That's rather silly. You can't figure out what something is if it doesn't exist? So you can't figure out what an orc is? Or an elf? Or what a vampire is?

Zombies are movie monsters. Since the term is rather broad, and tends to be more inclusive than exclusive. It's very much so a "know it when you see it" sort of thing. Because of this, you can very feasible discuss certain 'styles' of zombies. If your accusations are true, then why is the term "Romero zombie" or "Night of the Living Dead zombie" instantly understandable to people familiar with the sub-genre? You can most certainly hold a discussion over the varying styles of zombies.