When do you consider a series as "Dead"?
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There are no dead series; every one has the chance to redeem itself.
This is what pisses me off so much about people bitching about games like Devil may Cry and Dead Space 3, saying 'they've killed the series' as if --even if the games do fail-- they will be automatically wiped from existence.
This is what pisses me off so much about people bitching about games like Devil may Cry and Dead Space 3, saying 'they've killed the series' as if --even if the games do fail-- they will be automatically wiped from existence.
I've actually only ever declared one thing 'dead' to me media wise.
And that's (unfortunately) Doctor Who. At least until Moffat and Smith are gone.
So no, I never consider any videogame series dead. I would have said Resident Evil was dead, but then 4RE happened. I would have said Tomb Raider was dead, but I liked Anniversary and Legend.
Even series that are finished and faded into the backdrop of history aren't 'dead' in the same way that history isn't 'dead.' I can read a book from two hundred years ago and still enjoy it, despite the clunky (by today's standard) prose, the inherent values dissonance and the tired plots, so why shouldn't I play a game from twenty years ago and still think it's good?
And that's (unfortunately) Doctor Who. At least until Moffat and Smith are gone.
So no, I never consider any videogame series dead. I would have said Resident Evil was dead, but then 4RE happened. I would have said Tomb Raider was dead, but I liked Anniversary and Legend.
Even series that are finished and faded into the backdrop of history aren't 'dead' in the same way that history isn't 'dead.' I can read a book from two hundred years ago and still enjoy it, despite the clunky (by today's standard) prose, the inherent values dissonance and the tired plots, so why shouldn't I play a game from twenty years ago and still think it's good?
Your accurate portrayal of the circus that was Capcom killing the Mega Man franchise picks at my wounded heart.McMarbles said:
OT: Nothing ever truly stays dead, as publishers will pull out some old shit just as a cash-grab. Zelda has been dead to me for a long time now. Basically, a series is dead to me when it stops being interested. Zelda did not become more interesting just because they replaced mashing buttons with waving controllers around.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzqc7ncldU1qjjy0zo2_r2_250.gifMelasZepheos said:
I respect your opinion but, even though it can get complicated, it's consistently better now than it was under Russell T. Davies. Matt Smith is great as well but even he can't fill that David Tennant shaped void.
Yeah River Song was just a fantastic addition to the cast. I like having an overbearing preachy Mary Sue who strips the Doctor of almost everything that makes him good.JackandTom said:
I watched until 'Let's Kill Hitler', and even watching that far was because it was kind of a family thing. After LKH I outright refused to watch another episode. I'm not torturing myself weekly just because my sister thinks Matt Smith is hot.
Spec Ops has shown there's almost no metric where a franchise can actually be called dead. Okay '10 years without games' I could understand those coming back, because in 10 years, fans of those games can become developers or publishers and make a push for them, or a genre comes back into fashion and people mine it for IPs. And I can understand it surviving a developer breakup, because money.
... but the fact that a franchise can survive all those things, plus no-one giving a toss about it when it was new?
So that means you can basically only call a franchise dead when the IP has got so tangled up in legal battles and that no-one can work out who owns what.
I agree with him actually, I feel like the top end has been knocked off with the show-running and I don't like River Song or the repeated use of Angels(basically what Moffat running the show has spoilt, is allthe stuff that Moffat contributed to make previous series' of Dr Who excellent
) and Matt Smith will never steal my heart like David Tennant... but there's more consistent middle ground now. You see far less of the absolutely awful episodes that used to be seen, even if the brilliant ones haven't quite showed up either.
...but all of this is opinion, and I can't imagine me saying this is going to change your lack of enjoyment with the show
... but the fact that a franchise can survive all those things, plus no-one giving a toss about it when it was new?
So that means you can basically only call a franchise dead when the IP has got so tangled up in legal battles and that no-one can work out who owns what.
I don't think he said any of those things you're replying to? Unless he edited his post.MelasZepheos said:
I agree with him actually, I feel like the top end has been knocked off with the show-running and I don't like River Song or the repeated use of Angels(basically what Moffat running the show has spoilt, is allthe stuff that Moffat contributed to make previous series' of Dr Who excellent
) and Matt Smith will never steal my heart like David Tennant... but there's more consistent middle ground now. You see far less of the absolutely awful episodes that used to be seen, even if the brilliant ones haven't quite showed up either....but all of this is opinion, and I can't imagine me saying this is going to change your lack of enjoyment with the show
To me, a dead series is not a series that is no longer in production. No One Lives Forever isn't dead, it's just on permanent hiatus. What is dead is the games that are still around to remind you that they have a corpse. Sonic would be a great example of this, because they keep making games that no one likes, and the formula doesn't even resemble the original games.
Granted, I haven't played Sonic since the Genesis, but every time I glace at it, it's like seeing the zombie of your old friend. It looks the same, but it's not the friend you once had.
Granted, I haven't played Sonic since the Genesis, but every time I glace at it, it's like seeing the zombie of your old friend. It looks the same, but it's not the friend you once had.
He said Moffat's run was consistently better than RTD's. My counter-argument is that Moffat's is automatically inferior by the simple inclusion of River Song. The three way combination that stopped me watching Doctor Who is thus:BrotherRool said:I don't think he said any of those things you're replying to? Unless he edited his post.MelasZepheos said:
I agree with him actually, I feel like the top end has been knocked off with the show-running and I don't like River Song or the repeated use of Angels(basically what Moffat running the show has spoilt, is allthe stuff that Moffat contributed to make previous series' of Dr Who excellent
...but all of this is opinion, and I can't imagine me saying this is going to change your lack of enjoyment with the show
River Song.
Matt Smith.
Moffat is terrible at writing long connected story arcs.
As for there not being as many terrible episodes? I can't actually remember a single episode I liked pre-LKH when I stopped watching. I can't remember most of what happened at all. it was so much wallpaper paste and paint drying to me, with no memorable characters, no exciting plots or action scenes, and an absolutely god-awful Doctor who I couldn't stand.
It all comes down to opinion, and while I will freely admit that Blink and The Doctor Dances are quite possibly the best RTD episodes ever made the Moffat seasons never even came close to interesting me, let alone impressing me.
And finally: The Vampires of Venice, The Curse of the Black Spot, Let's Kill Hitler. Three episodes that for me hold the distinction of being in my bottom ten television episodes ever. Of all the television I have ever seen (a lot) three of the most hated things I've seen are all Moffat Doctor Who episodes. Maybe 1 is an RTD Doctor Who.
When they stop making games for the series. Yo can bring a series back *cough*Dues ex*cough* but its dead so long as no one is making any games for it at the moment.
The first, very obvious one, is when a series has not only stopped being made, but also no one would give a fuck if there were more games in that series.
The second is when the series no longer looks like what it originally was. Spyro the Dragon still has a game out, but it's dead to me. All I can say when I look at footage of it is "wtf is this shit?!"
The second is when the series no longer looks like what it originally was. Spyro the Dragon still has a game out, but it's dead to me. All I can say when I look at footage of it is "wtf is this shit?!"
Typically when it hits the 3rd instalment.
Or indeed any sequel that very suddenly shits on everything that the previous instalment/s established.
Or indeed any sequel that very suddenly shits on everything that the previous instalment/s established.
When I ask myself, "Why are they even still making these?"
Honestly, most series of games I've played have not yet gotten that question from me. As long as Nintendo keeps pumping out good Zelda games, I'll keep playing them.
Though I have asked of FF, "Why are they still making the same character?" Seriously. There are more mentalities than Brooding Hero, Chipper Hero, and Girl. And you know what I mean by the last one.
They always have the same personality. Always.
Honestly, most series of games I've played have not yet gotten that question from me. As long as Nintendo keeps pumping out good Zelda games, I'll keep playing them.
Though I have asked of FF, "Why are they still making the same character?" Seriously. There are more mentalities than Brooding Hero, Chipper Hero, and Girl. And you know what I mean by the last one.
They always have the same personality. Always.
You can't do it! These days, Hollywood will dig anything out of the grave and re-make it - Total Recall, Judge Dredd, Planet of the Apes, etc. How many times are they gonna do a Spiderman saga? Batman? Throw in some fancy costumes and special effects, switch up the plot, and you're golden.
alphamalet said:
This is one of those times where "/thread" isn't an arrogant or joking statement, but rather a statement of fact.
