When does a robot become human

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7amurai

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When do we recognize that robots, animals, aliens etc. have rights equal to those of humans? Simple, when they ask for them. a.k.a. self awareness and abstract thinking.
 

MrLumber

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I like all the people thinking emotions = capable of independent though XD

This is flat out not true.
 
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theloneassassin said:
Would you consider a robot who has emotion and rationality and reasoning human? What about if it had a human like exterior?
If it's not biologically human, it's not a human.

theloneassassin said:
What makes us human is the way our mind works, our early evolution stages were not human because they did not think like us or behave like us.
Exactly. Our primitive ancestors weren't humans. They were homo Sapiens, and before them were homo erectus, and before that....I guess Apes? (Just watched a good documentary that covered that)
 

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ravensheart18 said:
No. To be human they would have to be genetically human.

A more reasonable question would be at would point would you consider them to be sentient and entitle to rights similar to humans.
That's what I was going to say.

Once a robot or AI can officially think for itself in matters that it had no prior incentive to, and become fully self aware, I will classify it as 'alive.'
 

geldonyetich

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A robot becomes too human or not human enough under the brackets labeled, "uncanny valley:"



Aesthetically, anyway.

Aside from that, I don't buy the idea of an out-of-control AI. No, the reality is even worse: the AI will do exactly what it's told but, out of lack of foresight, we'll tell it to do something highly destructive.
 

Koroviev

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If the question interests you, I'd recommend PKD's Do Android's Dream of Electric Sheep? It's one of my personal favorites and a quick read to boot. That is, if you haven't already read it. For all I know, it may have prompted this thread.
 

cthulhumythos

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theloneassassin said:
Would you consider a robot who has emotion and rationality and reasoning human? What about if it had a human like exterior? What makes us human is the way our mind works, our early evolution stages were not human because they did not think like us or behave like us.
... when they are physically human.

i don't think that if something thinks, that makes it human.

if we made a machine that curled into a ball as a defense mechanism would it be an armadillo?
 

Koroviev

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Wolfy2449 said:
I really hate such ignorance... IF U HAVE THE SLIGHEST KNOWELDGE OF PROGRAMMING YOU WOULD KNOW ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO CREATE MONSTER ROBOTS WITHOUT THE HUMAN EPIC FAILING AT PROGRAMMING
Real emotions are simply IMPOSSIBLE

Having to suffer such stupidity in class is so annoying too
I don't think the OP warrants such condescension.
 

bam13302

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a robot is alive when it can reproduce on its own
a robot is intelligent when it can find solutions to problems it has not encountered before or been taught
 

Browbeat

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A 'ROBOT' is human once its perception is sufficiently analytical, esoteric, and introspective to recognize its flaws as personal failings, develop multiple complexes to cover said failings, impose an ego to convince its acceptance among peers, and spiral into an Oedipal coil wherein its own destruction comes as a result of its pursuit of salvation.

That, or if it reads Flowers for Algernon and cries digital tears.
 

freakydan

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There was an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation about this called "Measure of a Man". They ended up determining that, since Data was intelligent and self aware, and there was no way to fully determine his, or anyone elses, true conciousness (go philosophy), he was considered a sentient life form, though it was implied that he would never be fully human.

Pretty much, robots will never be human. They may reach a level where they are equal to humans, and deserving of equal rights, but robots are physically different from humans.

It has to be true. 'Cuz Picard said so.
 

Xenetethrae

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Koroviev said:
If the question interests you, I'd recommend PKD's Do Android's Dream of Electric Sheep? It's one of my personal favorites and a quick read to boot. That is, if you haven't already read it. For all I know, it may have prompted this thread.
Good read. First thing that came to my mind was the movie Blade Runner.

Robots can never be "human". Period. Robots can attain similar levels of consciousness and intelligence to pass as human though.

Basis of consciousness:
-->Self-Concept (Ability to define one's identity and identify one's self)
-->Theory of Mind (Able to differentiate between what one knows and what another knows. Recognizing certain thoughts in another even when you do not have those thoughts is also a foundation for empathy)
-->Meta-Cognition (Ability to percieve one's self percieving one's surroundings. Ability to perform tasks with or without known input)

That would make the robot conscious, but it does not make it anywhere close to human.