When EA falls, Ubisoft will rise.
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the hidden eagle said:
You act as if EA's meddling is exclusive to EA. Most major publishers meddle in the business of developers. And to be fair, a lot of the studios that EA closed down were either a lost cause or not worth losing money continually over.
People like to bring up Bullfrog for example. Great Studio, but when Peter Molyneux left in 1997 that was it. The company coasted until 2004.
You already know about Pandemic.
There's also Origin Studios of Ultima fame. Ultima Online was a failure and EA didn't meddle with that. That and the sloppy Ultima IX release killed that company (along with Lord British leaving due to EA's involvement with Ultima IX).
I'm not a fan of EA, but I'm also not a fan of people using the "they kill studios" excuse to dislike them entirely. Studios are capable of bringing their own demise and people seem to gloss over that.
Now I will say that a good amount of studios got fucked by EA. But people have to accept that other companies use the exact same tactics when meddling into affairs and closing down studios with good talent. EA also has the shittiest PR team in the gaming industry next to Sony and Ubisoft current.
Perfectly agreed. Activision is much much worse than both,Kotick's responsible for 60 dollar games and it would be MUCH more expensive if he was the sole decider on the matter never forget that. Ubisoft did some terrible stuff but they actually learned how to treat customers I think. EA is in-between on my book but while they're all out of touch idiots no one comes close to Activision's management.Doom972 said:
EA will not die by the way it's a long ways off, they might get smarter or have to significantly reduce their operation however.
Are you serious? The first actually popular MMO was a failure? One of the most acclaimed games of it's generation, a failure? It's the first MMORPG to Reach 100,000 Players which back then was very significant.
That's really where "always-on DRM" happens.Smeggs said:
You don't really need it on consoles, per se. They're a closed system. Cracking the system is more extensive and ostensibly less prevalent.
Hotline Miami after offering support to pirates got a bloom in sales.Tom Waits said:
An indie tittle(Anodyne) advertised in Pirate Bay showed profit.
Another indie tittle(McPixel) opted for distribution through torrents claimed buying the game jumped the scale.
Coining some examples
For every Anodyne and Hotline Miami you also get World of Goo, Machinarium and Project Zomboid.xefaros said:
Im not saying its a well ironed method but its obvious there is a wider market for cheaper un-restringing products.Also there is a huge transition to a free to play model.There are popular success stories about that.EA might come there first since its already trying to incorporate microtransactions to single player tittles.Also with failures like Alien:CM everyone should no get tricked into giving their money to bad products.Tom Waits said:
Notice that some countries doesnt allow return of questionable digital products
It works no doubt
Doom972 is referring to PC users. Haven't heard of console games using always online DRM so it'd be safe to assume its the PC version.Smeggs said:
Not really. The latter 3 you mentioned came out a decent bit before the trend of using piracy outlets to promote games was done. And Project Zomboid isn't even done yet.Tom Waits said:
Ultima Online was also one of the most hacked games of all time. That's why it never went past 250,000 subs. And 100,000 subs back when the only other graphical MMO was in South Korea isn't that big of a deal all things considered.Auron said:
Also considering that EverQuest came out 2 years later and immediately had many more players constantly. Runescape was even more popular.
Ultima Online was a milestone, but it also wasn't handled very well at all.
EA will eventually be dispersed due to bloat. Unfortunately thats what happens when cellular organisms get bigger than their host, the disperse into smaller chunks and some survive and some are eaten alive... or dead.
Something like that. I see EA as a malignancy, but with salvagable pieces were they to be left to their own devices rather than micromanaged by a creature who cannot understand their language or their design.
Something like that. I see EA as a malignancy, but with salvagable pieces were they to be left to their own devices rather than micromanaged by a creature who cannot understand their language or their design.
How would a crash fix anything? In the gaming industry, there isn't really any monopoly to talk of, and a crash isn't close to happening with how widespread gaming is at the moment. So can people stop spamming about the crash?Nurb said:
Is there anything really hateful that Valve has done in a while? They've pulled some nasty tricks, but not anything hateful enough that the constant Steam sales don't reimburse. Only thing I can think of is Steam-released Bioshock.FoolKiller said:
AzrealMaximillion said:
Being the first game to do it and quite profitably at that makes it a failure how? The fact that it could have been handled better makes it a failure how? They couldn't possibly have any MMO experience when the genre was practically being invented right there. You must remember that back then gaming wasn't about 15 million subs and I still maintain it doesn't need them today.
If anything EA destroyed Origin for no reason. I'd link you a great article about the entire story right here in the escapist but I'm on mt android now. Highly suggest you search amd give it a read though, it's full of interviews of people involved.