When fanservice ruins internal consistancy

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Erttheking

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SlumlordThanatos said:
A simple problem with a simple solution.

You know those Master Seals you've been hoarding?

These'll solve almost all of your wardrobe problems.

Except for Corrin's thong. You'll need a Heart Seal to solve that problem. And maybe a team of spelunkers to dig that piece of fabric out of her colon.
Opened my 3DS. Master Sealed Sophie into a Paladin. The ass window was still there. Restarted. Master sealed her into a Great Knight. She was very obviously wearing a thong from the front.

I appreciate you trying to help man, but this didn't really change anything. Plus your solution kind of missed the point of my problem. My gripe wasn't the fact that I had to look at this inconsistency, it was the fact that the developers just violated their own continuity for the sake of boobs and ass. It pisses me off as a writer.
 

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erttheking said:
Opened my 3DS. Master Sealed Sophie into a Paladin. The ass window was still there. Restarted. Master sealed her into a Great Knight. She was very obviously wearing a thong from the front.

I appreciate you trying to help man, but this didn't really change anything. Plus your solution kind of missed the point of my problem. My gripe wasn't the fact that I had to look at this inconsistency, it was the fact that the developers just violated their own continuity for the sake of boobs and ass. It pisses me off as a writer.
Guess you'll need a Heart Seal and/or a Friendship/Partner Seal for that one, too.

But on a serious note, you ever notice how almost every fanservice-y outfit is on the Conquest path? Nyx, Camilla, and Charlotte are all Nohrian characters, and your avatar can even get in on the action...so to speak. Fanservice has its place, don't get me wrong, but that's just lazy writing AND character design to sex up the evil/dark-aligned characters, and largely neglect the Hoshidians; there's Orochi and maybe Rhajat, and Rhajat is...well, not a good person.

I'll grant that the Maid and Butler classes are fucking stupid, but at least they're not being overly suggestive at the same time, just like every other bad anime that has come out in the past few years.

But at the end of the day, I can deal with a few stupid outfits.
 

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inu-kun said:
Dark Souls 3 I guess, well, series fanservice, apperantly Andre was alive for at least thousands of years? And so is Catarina?
If by 'Catarina' you mean Siegward then you're confusing him with Siegmeyer, a different character.
 

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inu-kun said:
ChupathingyX said:
inu-kun said:
Dark Souls 3 I guess, well, series fanservice, apperantly Andre was alive for at least thousands of years? And so is Catarina?
If by 'Catarina' you mean Siegward then you're confusing him with Siegmeyer, a different character.
Catarina the country actually.
It's unclear exactly what happens to the entire world after a flame is linked or not, so there's no real indication that Catarina (or any other place) have 'ended'. And even if 'the world' was reset in some way there's always a chance that certain things will repeat, such as the creation of Catarina.
 

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Meh, i've stopped applying logic to games and anime long time ago. "Armored girls have an exposed thong bums?" Yeah, that's about right. I just roll with it and don't ask any questions.
 

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Yeah, you're right; that's dumb design, really really dumb. It's pretty much why I don't play games with anime-style designs, they're all infected by this nonsense. And yeah that sadly means missing out on some games with great mechanics, but I'm a very visual guy and I want my games to aesthetically please me.
 

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It happens every now and then. I face palm when people complain about female armour not covering much while male armour containing more material than the Eiffel tower are considered good. When male armour looks legitimately functional with the female not so much is when I notice it though it's never really ruined anything for me as I just don't care enough about the whole thing.
 

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Fan service has never ruined a game for me, they suit the games that have it and consistency as you describe is something I couldn't care less about.
 

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CritialGaming said:
So I don't know. It is up to the player to decide if they find something going too far. But in Japanese and Korean games (Tera), one should expect some degree of this in their games. Appropriate of not.
It's good that you brought up Korean games. I've found that Black Desert Online does armor really well; all classes have fairly muted clothing that doesn't change much from early game to end game -granted, that's a bit of a shame- but it's really consistent with their pseudo-realistic world (there's goblins, otters and giants as friendly NPC's). Both male and female classes (gender-locked) look essentially equal. Of course, this kinda goes out the window if you consider the cash shop costumes, which turn [a href=https://i.ytimg.com/vi/k7r3d71n_A4/maxresdefault.jpg]this[/a] into [a href=http://origin.webcdn.theblackdesertonline.net/forum/service_live/monthly_11_2015/ve8A2u1.thumb.jpg.db18a527519319a015eb78e6d642c192.jpg]this[/a] (which is, all things considered, still fairly tame for an Asian MMO's).

Maybe it's an outlier or maybe it's a new trend, either way, I'm on board.
 

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inu-kun said:
ChupathingyX said:
inu-kun said:
Dark Souls 3 I guess, well, series fanservice, apperantly Andre was alive for at least thousands of years? And so is Catarina?
If by 'Catarina' you mean Siegward then you're confusing him with Siegmeyer, a different character.
Catarina the country actually.
Linking the Flame seems to reset the world, but ultimately it goes along certain patterns. Countries and certain figures reappear. This becomes more explicit as you go through Dark Souls 3, from what I understand, but I don't know for myself because the damn thing keeps crashing every ten minutes.
 

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That said, though, I like butts, so I certainly don't mind butts in my Fire Emblem...assuming I actually played Fire Emblem. They certainly weren't the first anime-stylized RPG to have revealing armor and you can be damn sure they won't be the last.

Japan, don't you dare ever change. :3
 

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erttheking said:
This isn't about sexism, this is about design. Ok? Ok. I've been playing a lot of Fire Emblem Fates lately, good game, good characters, but it kind of went all out with the fanservice. In a lot of areas its pretty good, looks like it fits the character, in some of the classes like the spell casters the fanservice is present among both genders and I actually really like some of the fanservicey designs, Azura/Aqua's in particular. Other times they really annoyed me because they took what was clearly complete armor design on a man and arbitrarily took a few chunks of it off for the sake of fanservice. For example, the male main character, Corrin' has armor that covers his whole body, while female Corrin has armor that shows off her inner thighs and a bit of her rear. And it looks freaking stupid.
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/12728497_768853199912630_1212887862_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTE5MjkyMzY5ODUwMDMwODYzNg%3D%3D.2.l
(Sorry about the crappy quality, this is all I could find)
Something like this also happens with the character Sophie.
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/d/d4/Sophie_portrait.png/revision/latest?cb=20151225070352

Pretty cool looking armor, very similar to the armor that her father wears.
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/d/d0/Cyrus_portrait.png/revision/latest?cb=20150601044137

Except her father's armor didn't have this little feature
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/993/109/134.jpg

You can only ever see that in the combat sections, which has utterly crap resolution. So people who wanted consistent armor design don't get what they want, and people who wanted fanservice gets horrendous looking fanservice. Who is this meant to please?

This just annoys me for one main reason. Inconsistency. Mages, fighters and ninjas in this game all have fanservicey designs, regardless of gender. The males show off less than the females but it doesn't bug me too much (Minus one situation where the one male fighter you can actually control doesn't show anything off, despite every other fighter in the game doing it and him looking like he would have a very toned booty). But cases like with the main character and Sophie (and all female Cavaliers) the armor design is radically altered when going from male to female just for the sake of fanservice.

I am not criticizing fanservice. Hell, I actually really like Orochi's design in this game. I'm ragging on fanservice that directly contradicts the way the world is established to work. If mages and fighters, male and female, show off what they've got then apparently it's the way the world works. It's a tad bit silly but you know what? Fire Emblem is a silly game at times, it works. This, however, creates a direct contradiction in the way the world is supposed to work. Why do guys need to have their rears armored if they're riding on horseback but women don't?

I'm a writer, and I value world building, making the world that you write feel as alive and believable as possible. Fanservice like this just ruins that. It's there for the sake of being there and we already had plenty, much better done, fanservice.

Am I just ranting? Do you think I have a point? Can you think of any other examples of this or do you think I'm just talking out of my ass?
Never, ever play World of Warcraft. I swear that armour is just a plate version of the Black Mageweave or Cindercloth sets. Yes the word 'Slutmog' doesn't exist for no reason.
 

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Fire Emblem Fates is filled with fanservice that is to its detriment but of all of those I find the skimpy costumes pretty harmless compared to other types of fanservice. Its peanuts compared to

Ditching the very premise ''blood vs loyalty'' So you can make ''husbando's'' out of your blood siblings.

Downright copy pasting characters from Awakening and putting them in as complete clones

Take the children mechanic for no other reason then because it was popular, despite it having no place in the game. The result is a whole bunch of good characters that would have the most dignity if you consider them non canon.

Is the player character never ever being allowed to be wrong also a kind of fanservice?
 

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erttheking said:
Fappy said:
A year ago I would've agreed with you. Now? Bayonetta is in the game. So...what is even the hell.
Yes, but even her design was met with some changes. The Diamonds used to show her skin and they were covered up with a sort of black panty hose material.
 

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nomotog said:
Hades said:
Is the player character never ever being allowed to be wrong also a kind of fanservice?
Yes? Kind of it's pandering and ego stroking at least.
I think you just described every modern Bioware RPG XD
 

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CritialGaming said:
So I don't know. It is up to the player to decide if they find something going too far. But in Japanese and Korean games (Tera), one should expect some degree of this in their games. Appropriate of not.
It's good that you brought up Korean games. I've found that Black Desert Online does armor really well; all classes have fairly muted clothing that doesn't change much from early game to end game -granted, that's a bit of a shame- but it's really consistent with their pseudo-realistic world (there's goblins, otters and giants as friendly NPC's). Both male and female classes (gender-locked) look essentially equal. Of course, this kinda goes out the window if you consider the cash shop costumes, which turn [a href=https://i.ytimg.com/vi/k7r3d71n_A4/maxresdefault.jpg]this[/a] into [a href=http://origin.webcdn.theblackdesertonline.net/forum/service_live/monthly_11_2015/ve8A2u1.thumb.jpg.db18a527519319a015eb78e6d642c192.jpg]this[/a] (which is, all things considered, still fairly tame for an Asian MMO's).

Maybe it's an outlier or maybe it's a new trend, either way, I'm on board.
Actually there are plenty of Fanservice outfits available in BDO. Just take a look at the Pearl shop on a female character. There are plenty of outfits that are blatant fan service. Now they do have to be bought with real money, so people can opt into that fanservice. But it is very much there.
 

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Fappy said:
nomotog said:
Hades said:
Is the player character never ever being allowed to be wrong also a kind of fanservice?
Yes? Kind of it's pandering and ego stroking at least.
I think you just described every modern Bioware RPG XD
Well, if I'm going to have my ego stroked, it may as well be for something truly amazing like saving the world from the ultimate evil AND living to tell stories abut it in taverns and pubs. Shoot,for the moon and all than :p