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The new Seth Rogan animated film Sausage Party (Apparently I just hate parties) is something I'll skip. The premise of the film being that food is actually sentient and self-aware (Much like the toys in Toy Story) and that much of the humour comes from them being killed and tortured as they are prepared for consumption. I'm really not comfortable with the scene of baby carrots (So basically, young children) panicking in their bag then screaming for their parents before being eaten alive.
Ehh, that's the kind of joke you could get away with in Family Guy, fairly tame as far as "adult animation" goes. Which is not to say I recommend seeing that movie, I've looked through the leaked script, and...my god. It's gonna be the Citizen Kane of terrible. The Plan 9 From Outer Space of modern cinema. There is a multi-page sentient food orgy scene. The mind boggles at the mere concept of this movie, let alone the fact that Seth Rogen somehow convinced Sony to make it.
 

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Lots of stuff. Torture porn was recently mentioned, that's something I've never enjoyed. Don't really get off on home invasion or routine brutality films, either. Not a brand of horror I enjoy.

Most recently, the introduction of Negan in The Walking Dead. Not so much the show, which punked out, although it was still a miserable viewing experience, but the source material.

A fundamentally gentle, kind and caring man gets his head pulped by a barbed wire baseball bat in front of his helpless, screaming, weeping wife and friends while the killer capers and jokes and threatens and humiliates everyone. It's a BIT MUCH.
 

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Ed, Edd and Eddy - I use to adore that show as a kid. It's responsible for some of the heartier laughs I've had in my childhood, but then I discovered something, I think, halfway around... season 2 or 3? Hard to tell with late 90s early 2000 cartoons since they weren't all that segmented. But yeah, I discovered that I no longer liked any of the characters. Litterally everyone was a dickhead. Those characters who weren't dickheads at first slowly became dickheads over time (Jimmy and Johnny, specifically). I swear the only character who I ended up being able to tolerate anymore was Edd, but even that was ruined by the fact that he was shit on by everyone for simple being in close proximity to Ed and Eddy. Eventually I got so frustrated with everyone that I stopped watching.
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Yeah... Even as (and still) a huge fan of the series, the creator found a way to make a children's show where everyone's a dick and those that aren't either suffer from said dicks or end up becoming dicks themselves... Sure, the series finale of a movie throws in a redemption of a series twist that gives most of the characters another [another] look, but it doesn't change the overall dickery of the show...

OT: Speed Grapher... I watched this series twice because I still enjoy this series as a whole... But, my glob, did it find ways to make me feel uncomfortable... with the "fetish club" being the least uncomfortable aspect of my overall umcomfortableness with this particular series, which prevents me from wanting to buy it on DVD...

Other than that, there was this one hentai [OVA] series that was in a genre that I liked, but had an execution (HA!) that just made me go "Fuck it! I'm out!" because at that point, I was only watching it for the crisp animation you sometimes don't find in hentai [OVA] series...
 

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Fox is unaffiliated with Fox News. That said, I agree with Zontar on that point. McFarlane is just a relentless douchebag towards anybody who disagrees with him on anything. He thinks that anybody who disagrees with him is stupid, period. As an example, when he did the episode Quagmire's Dad and the LGBT community did not respond kindly he called all f the dissenters "stupid". Yes, he knows better on LGBT issues than LGBT people. Anybody who disagrees with him is just clearly a, as he puts it, "stupid homosexual". The same guy thinks that abused people should stay in relationships with their abusers for the abuser's sake as well.
I actually have to agree with this, I don't cringe at many jokes, but Seth McFarlane has this way of twisting the knife that's not just a ribbing but more of a dehumanizing take down. I remember one in particular that was a halloween gag where Louis dressed as Laura Bush, and Peter dressed up as "the guy she killed" referring to a car accident she had when she was 17. She wasn't drunk driving or even speeding anything, although ultimately may have been at fault. That being said, the gag was something to effect of:

Quagmire: Who are you dressed up as Louis?
Louis: I'm Laura Bush,
Peter: And I'm the guy she killed. (peter is just himself with a tire Mark across his chest)
Quagmire: Oh that's right Laura bush Killed a guy,
Louis: (Dead Pan) yes that's right Laura Bush Killed a guy,
Peter: (Dead pan) Yep Laura Bush Killed a guy.....
(Awkward Silence)

I just didn't see what the Joke was there. Even if you hated the Bush's as much as he does, it wasn't a popular conversation piece, and while being a tragic mistake was not something she did because she was anything other than a normal 17 year old. I always felt like this was just a step too far into dark territory, and I didn't really feel like watching family guy for a while after that cause everything started to sound a little righteous and mean spirited.
 

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The first thing I thought of when I read the title was those Youtube videos that seem to exist solely to trash on movies, books, games, celebrities, or whatever. The "entertainment" there is supposed to be the Youtuber pointing out the flaws with whatever subject they're focussing on, then making a big stink about it.

CinemaSins comes to mind. Putting aside the fact that sometimes their "sins" make no sense, their videos have just been getting longer and longer and longer - from "Everything wrong with movie X in 3 minutes" to "Everything wrong with yada-yada-yada in 19 minutes." You can't make 19 minutes of criticism, in their motor-mouth jump-cut style, without just plain making up some gripes for the sake of griping. Even Yahtzee only goes for five minutes or so, and he's usually telling actual jokes that are funny to hear.

There was also this video my friend showed me, from like a vegan channel or something, but the video was just the Youtuber talking about how great it was that this other Youtuber he had a spat with had just found out he had cancer, and that it was his own fault for not being a vegan.

Oh, here it is. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okd3vFUwqj4] Seriously, I can't watch more than thirty seconds of that video. It should be illegal to be that much of a douche.

Stuff that isn't Youtube being terrible...torture porn, even when played for satire. A Serbian Film is a great example. A friend of mine kept bugging me to watch it with him and when we finally did I walked out thirty minutes in and barely stopped myself from punching him in the face. I was genuinely angry that he thought I'd like the film, even on an ironic level. The Human Centipede films would also count if I'd ever actually watched ny of them.

But what really gets me is Crossed. For those of you who don't follow comics, it's a series initially created by Garth Ennis that posits a zombie-apocalypse style scenario, except the zombies aren't dead - the virus turns them into violent sadists, like 28 Days Later but they're still intelligent. The "draw" of the series is that it was published by Avatar, so it was completely uncensored, and the artists went crazy on the gore-porn. Like...ugh. If you have a strong stomach, google some of the covers. I won't link any here, they're too NSFW.

Basically, imagine a zombie apocalypse except instead of eating you, the zombies want to torture, rape, and skin you in the most intentionally cruel way possible, and then do horrible things with your body and the bodies of your family. These are zombies who intentionally gang-rape victims in order to convert them the way regular zombies would just bite you. Often, they're what tvtropes call "villain sues" - inexplicably competent villains that thwart all efforts by the heroes to defeat them. It doesn't matter how many guns you have, how organised you are, or how medically impossible it is for guys like the Crossed to even survive through one winter; if you're reading a Crossed story, at the end of it, ninety percent of the cast will be dead and the survivors will either be assholes, or they'll be Crossed. Sometimes, they'll eat their own baby. Literally. Like, roasting it on a spit.

The whole title, regarldess of who's writing (it's a multi-author thing these days) is almost hypnotically disgusting. It's an exercise in pushing the imaginative limits of human cruelty. I do go back to it from time to time, when I think it's doing something interesting - there are only so many ways you can torture-rape-murder someone before it gets boring - but even when it's doing something new-ish, like Moore's Crossed 100, it still manages to be so thoroughly hopeless and cruel that I just can't finish it.
 

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bastardofmelbourne said:
The first thing I thought of when I read the title was those Youtube videos that seem to exist solely to trash on movies, books, games, celebrities, or whatever. The "entertainment" there is supposed to be the Youtuber pointing out the flaws with whatever subject they're focussing on, then making a big stink about it.

CinemaSins comes to mind. Putting aside the fact that sometimes their "sins" make no sense, their videos have just been getting longer and longer and longer - from "Everything wrong with movie X in 3 minutes" to "Everything wrong with yada-yada-yada in 19 minutes." You can't make 19 minutes of criticism, in their motor-mouth jump-cut style, without just plain making up some gripes for the sake of griping. Even Yahtzee only goes for five minutes or so, and he's usually telling actual jokes that are funny to hear.

There was also this video my friend showed me, from like a vegan channel or something, but the video was just the Youtuber talking about how great it was that this other Youtuber he had a spat with had just found out he had cancer, and that it was his own fault for not being a vegan.

Oh, here it is. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okd3vFUwqj4] Seriously, I can't watch more than thirty seconds of that video. It should be illegal to be that much of a douche.

Stuff that isn't Youtube being terrible...torture porn, even when played for satire. A Serbian Film is a great example. A friend of mine kept bugging me to watch it with him and when we finally did I walked out thirty minutes in and barely stopped myself from punching him in the face. I was genuinely angry that he thought I'd like the film, even on an ironic level. The Human Centipede films would also count if I'd ever actually watched any of them.
Cinema Sins I found myself watching less and less. I might tune in sometimes depending on the movie that is being done, but Jeremy is starting to suffer from Movie Bob syndrome. Hate on anyone that disagrees with me, or insult an audience for loving a movie I hate, or vice versa. The Furious 7 video being the most insulting. Okay asshole, we get it, you don't like the F&F movies, but does it give you the right to think you're better than everyone else for not enjoying them. What's worse, is that he didn't do a sin removal of the Paul Walker tribute that was well done. And this coming from someone who got tired of F&F movies after the 4th movie.

Also Jeremy is known causing drama; the incident with Screen Junkies is the best example. They both made up now, but from I what seen, he's the one that started it and went overboard, so Jeremy has no one to blame but himself.

Oh, and zombies are overplayed anyway, that's why I don't deal with those type of stories anymore.
 

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For me I can't watch or read anything involving rape of any kind. Just thinking about something like that makes me feel bad, as if I'm gonna be sick. I have never been close to or experienced said thing and I can't really explain why I have this attitude/feeling toward it either.

Thus I have never watched a single episode of things like "game of thrones", "the walking dead" or even "Dexter", I just don't want to take the chance of having to experience such an encounter within the episodes. I guess I'm missing out on alot of shows because of it, but better safe than sorry and all that.

Cheers.
 

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Funny everyone is mentioning Family Guy because it did bring up one good point. Peter had a panic room built into the attic where The Butterfly Effect couldn't find him.

I saw it when I was young so I didn't even really realize what was going on in the child pornography scene (looking back, holy f*$@ing shit man...) but there was a bit where this kid put a dog in a bag...and started covering it with lighter fluid. I noped out of there so fast. I don't care who did what to you, leave the pets out of it.
 

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Throw in another vote for Game of Thrones. It amazes me when the creators act all offended when someone accuses them of doing things for shock value when much of the stuff they've done isn't in the books.

What really pisses me off is when they turned Margaery from a kind woman who treats her child bride like a little brother into someone who sexually abuses said child multiple times (he's older, but still underage, as Cersei said), jokes about said abuse with her friends, then gloats about said abuse towards Cersei AND the show portrays all of this as being cute, funny, and light-hearted. It's disgusting.

However, I will say this: those who think Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire is too dark and gritty need to check out the Second Apocalypse books by R Scott Bakker. They make Thrones look like a fairy tale.
 

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Breaking Bad for me. When I first got Netflix it was the second show I watched (after Daredevil) because of how great everyone says it was. I got about halfway through the second season and I just couldn't do it anymore. Everyone was just so unlikable and mean to each other, that I just couldn't stomach pressing "Next Episode" again. And I know that they were designed to be unlikable people, and I'm not judging anyone that loved the show, but I got absolutely no happiness or enjoyment out of watching it.
 

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Recently I saw You're Next, which is a pretty lame movie in a lot of ways (who wants to see Joe Swanberg and Ti West ironically banter about what's good filmmaking?), but it's mostly a cynical take on the home invasion movie where we're supposed to cheer on the grisly murders of a bunch of WASP douchebags while some Aussie survivalist lady combats the masked killers as the only capable person in the party.

I guess this transfers over to a lot of slasher movies, but I was wondering what I was supposed to get out of this. Joy of watching people die? Lame, it's been done before, and better. Ironic take on the genre? Scream was 20 years ago.
 

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IOwnTheSpire said:
What really pisses me off is when they turned Margaery from a kind woman who treats her child bride like a little brother into someone who sexually abuses said child multiple times (he's older, but still underage, as Cersei said), jokes about said abuse with her friends, then gloats about said abuse towards Cersei AND the show portrays all of this as being cute, funny, and light-hearted. It's disgusting.
Umm..

You do realize that in the books most of the "young" characters are in their early or mid teens. Virtually everyone in ASOIAF was aged up for the TV show. Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon are in their mid-30s at the start of the books (Sean Bean was in his early 50s, Mark Addy was late 40s). Jon Snow and Rob Stark are 14 and (Kit Harington and Richard Madden were mid-20s). Sansa Stark is 11 and Margery Tyrell is 16 (Sophie Turner was 15, making her one of the closest actresses to her character's actual age, but Natalie Dormer was in her late 20s when she first appeared). Heck, Tommen in the books is nine years old when he marries Margery (Dean Charles Chapman is 18).

If children being involved in abusive or sexual situations shocks you, then you should stay very, very far away from ASOIAF. The world depicted is one in which, as with actual medieval Europe, young teenagers are already treated as adults. Women can be married and have children from the point at which they start menstruating. If anything, the TV show went to extreme lengths to avoid depicting the characters as being their canonical ages, presumably to spare the outcry which would result from putting children in these perilous and sexual situations.

Yeah, there's a lot of exploitative bollocks in the GOT TV show, but this strikes me as a criticism which is actually far more pertinent to the books.

Personally, I'm beginning to suspect I have a remarkably high tolerance for mean spiritedness and cruelty in media. It comes from liking old horror movies, I guess. I really can't think of anything which was too cruel for me to enjoy. I suppose the closest thing in recent years would probably be Archer, but even then I've never not found it enjoyable, just cringed a little at certain jokes or scenarios.
 

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IOwnTheSpire said:
What really pisses me off is when they turned Margaery from a kind woman who treats her child bride like a little brother into someone who sexually abuses said child multiple times (he's older, but still underage, as Cersei said), jokes about said abuse with her friends, then gloats about said abuse towards Cersei AND the show portrays all of this as being cute, funny, and light-hearted. It's disgusting.
Umm..

You do realize that in the books most of the "young" characters are in their early or mid teens. Virtually everyone in ASOIAF was aged up for the TV show. Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon are in their mid-30s at the start of the books (Sean Bean was in his early 50s, Mark Addy was late 40s). Jon Snow and Rob Stark are 14 and (Kit Harington and Richard Madden were mid-20s). Sansa Stark is 11 and Margery Tyrell is 16 (Sophie Turner was 15, making her one of the closest actresses to her character's actual age, but Natalie Dormer was in her late 20s when she first appeared). Heck, Tommen in the books is nine years old when he marries Margery (Dean Charles Chapman is 18).

If children being involved in abusive or sexual situations shocks you, then you should stay very, very far away from ASOIAF. The world depicted is one in which, as with actual medieval Europe, young teenagers are already treated as adults. Women can be married and have children from the point at which they start menstruating. If anything, the TV show went to extreme lengths to avoid depicting the characters as being their canonical ages, presumably to spare the outcry which would result from putting children in these perilous and sexual situations.

Yeah, there's a lot of exploitative bollocks in the GOT TV show, but this strikes me as a criticism which is actually far more pertinent to the books.
You're missing what I'm saying. The show EXPLICITLY says that Tommen is NOT of age. Margaery is clearly taking advantage of his vulnerability and naivete. Natalie Dormer herself corroborated this AND condemned her character's actions. The problem with this scenario is that they portray what is clearly sexual abuse as being cute and light-hearted (or as the creators of the show said, cheeky).
 

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IOwnTheSpire said:
evilthecat said:
IOwnTheSpire said:
What really pisses me off is when they turned Margaery from a kind woman who treats her child bride like a little brother into someone who sexually abuses said child multiple times (he's older, but still underage, as Cersei said), jokes about said abuse with her friends, then gloats about said abuse towards Cersei AND the show portrays all of this as being cute, funny, and light-hearted. It's disgusting.
Umm..

You do realize that in the books most of the "young" characters are in their early or mid teens. Virtually everyone in ASOIAF was aged up for the TV show. Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon are in their mid-30s at the start of the books (Sean Bean was in his early 50s, Mark Addy was late 40s). Jon Snow and Rob Stark are 14 and (Kit Harington and Richard Madden were mid-20s). Sansa Stark is 11 and Margery Tyrell is 16 (Sophie Turner was 15, making her one of the closest actresses to her character's actual age, but Natalie Dormer was in her late 20s when she first appeared). Heck, Tommen in the books is nine years old when he marries Margery (Dean Charles Chapman is 18).

If children being involved in abusive or sexual situations shocks you, then you should stay very, very far away from ASOIAF. The world depicted is one in which, as with actual medieval Europe, young teenagers are already treated as adults. Women can be married and have children from the point at which they start menstruating. If anything, the TV show went to extreme lengths to avoid depicting the characters as being their canonical ages, presumably to spare the outcry which would result from putting children in these perilous and sexual situations.

Yeah, there's a lot of exploitative bollocks in the GOT TV show, but this strikes me as a criticism which is actually far more pertinent to the books.
You're missing what I'm saying. The show EXPLICITLY says that Tommen is NOT of age. Margaery is clearly taking advantage of his vulnerability and naivete. Natalie Dormer herself corroborated this AND condemned her character's actions. The problem with this scenario is that they portray what is clearly sexual abuse as being cute and light-hearted (or as the creators of the show said, cheeky).
What exactly is this abuse you're talking about, because I don't remember anything like that (although it's been a while since I watched the show).
 

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What exactly is this abuse you're talking about, because I don't remember anything like that (although it's been a while since I watched the show).
In Season 5, Margaery marries Tommen. In both the books and the show, Tommen is not a legal adult. In the books, Margaery treats him like a little brother, is nice to him, gives him kittens. In the show, she takes sexual advantage of him multiple times, exploiting his vulnerability and naivete to get him on her side (a form of abuse), then proceeds to gloat about it towards Cersei. The show portrays her actions as cute and funny, ignoring the clear (at least to me) immoral implications of what occurred.
 

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Ehh, that's the kind of joke you could get away with in Family Guy, fairly tame as far as "adult animation" goes.
I know I'm veering a little bit off-topic here but it really does bother me that, in the west, "adult animation" is basically seen as exclusively gross-out comedy with offensive jokes. There aren't really many or any adult (even "young adult" of late teens to twenties) animations that aren't comedies with "adult" jokes (like the aforementioned implied child murder joke). There aren't even THAT many all-ages stuff, I'd include the Simpsons and that's about it.

Anything that's animated without that kind of thing is treated as a cartoon for kids. It really does bother me, there's not a lot of artistic media formats that have this kind of one-directional approach to adult entertainment. Games, films, music, TV are all pretty diverse; but if you go for animation in the west it seems to be go kiddie or go disgusting.
 

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Does anybody remember the movie Grandma's Boy? It came out around the time the Xbox 360 was about to launch and it seemed to have been aimed at...well...us (teens and early 20-somethings who were into gaming) and despite the fact that I was the target demographic, I didn't wind up watching it until it was on disc...after renting it from my then place of work...and turning it off after about a half-hour or so. I can't remember many details about the movie itself other than it felt like an incredibly lazy pot-comedy flick but with a bunch of references to gaming and how the people who enjoy gaming are losers and the people who MAKE games are sociopaths.

Speaking of Gaming, Gamer (the Gerard Butler movie) is a movie I've only ever seen reviewed and from what I've seen there it seemed to hate its target demographic...gamers...It included scenes of a Second Life type of game only gamers controlled the actual people (kinda like the much better Surrogates...but gamers control people instead of robots). The main gamers they seemed to focus on were a teen boy who kept getting hit on and a morbidly obese, un-named person who used not-Second Life to live out his rape fantasies.
 

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IOwnTheSpire said:
You're missing what I'm saying. The show EXPLICITLY says that Tommen is NOT of age. Margaery is clearly taking advantage of his vulnerability and naivete. Natalie Dormer herself corroborated this AND condemned her character's actions. The problem with this scenario is that they portray what is clearly sexual abuse as being cute and light-hearted (or as the creators of the show said, cheeky).
There was a comedy show on British TV a while back called Brass Eye, which used to run fake exposes and stories in the style of a documentary or current affairs show. One episode, which I would link to but won't because it features nudity and I'm not sure on the policy, featured a "reenactment" of a Victorian man having sex with a child prostitute (played by a 25 year old actress) and shot in a highly pornographic style which emphasized the woman's bare breasts (which, the narrator helpfully reminded us, was inaccurate, as children don't have breasts), the joke being that the audience was being told that what they were watching was something unpleasant, but the visual impression didn't match the narration.

Dean Charles Chapman is eighteen. He in no way looks like a child. The visual impression given during those scenes was overwhelmingly positive because, while Natalie Dormer was about a decade older than Chapman, the actual visual impression is very much that nothing is wrong. The controversy comes entirely from context, and even then it's not actually clear why. Tommens age is never actually confirmed, I don't even recall when it was stated that he was underage (indeed, noone seems to know what the age of adulthood actually is in TV show Westeros, or why it should suddenly apply now when it didn't apply to Sansa Stark during her marriage with Tyrion, for example). A lot of the controversy seems to come from interviews Chapman did, in which he stated that he had interpreted his characters age at still being around 12, and thus found the scenes personally quite uncomfortable. The most obvious explanation is simply that he was wrong, or rather that his own character was poorly explained to him, which is a failure somewhere down the pipeline but does not in any way imply some intent to downplay child abuse.
 

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IOwnTheSpire said:
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What exactly is this abuse you're talking about, because I don't remember anything like that (although it's been a while since I watched the show).
In Season 5, Margaery marries Tommen. In both the books and the show, Tommen is not a legal adult. In the books, Margaery treats him like a little brother, is nice to him, gives him kittens. In the show, she takes sexual advantage of him multiple times, exploiting his vulnerability and naivete to get him on her side (a form of abuse), then proceeds to gloat about it towards Cersei. The show portrays her actions as cute and funny, ignoring the clear (at least to me) immoral implications of what occurred.
Oh ... is that all?

In terms of the kinds of things that happen in the show, some young king being bedded by his queen too early is hardly going to elicit any kind of reaction. What's more, to me it seemed like her actions were pretty clearly portrayed as manipulative rather than cute.