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Shru1kan said:
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Caiti Voltaire said:
Okay, I realise that asking for relationship advice here is akin to asking someone for a sound kick up the ass, but I could use some advice here and I figure this is the most thoughtful of the various web forums I visit, so it cant hurt, I suppose.

I have someone I've been with for a while. We corespond through the internet and some other means. He has a fairly busy day job and so do I, so its generally accepted that we get time for each other when we do.

That's great and all. Here's the catch. I haven't heard anything further than a hi for a while now. Im talking weeks going on months. This is not the first time the relationship has had this difficulty - I complain, it gets pants-on-head-retardedly dramatic for a while, before settling down to how it was before. And I know he has time for it, he spends a lot of the time that we do talk before talking about how he was playing Mass Effect 2 or somesuch. The perils of dating a gamer I guess.

I guess it comes down to a handful of questions, really. Am I wrong to expect to hear more often from him? Is it really akin to asking him to hack off his wedding tackle to put down the games and friends to talk to me once a month perhaps? I don't know. I know that I can be clingy and demanding when it comes to relationships so I suppose I have a fear that I'm doing that now. But when some people have loved ones that they talk to every day and Im lucky if I get a good conversation out of the matter once a month, I guess I really wonder. Am I really out of line here?
No what you should have done was used the search bar. Found [a href=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.117161-Relationship-problem-thread?page=23]this thread[/a]. And then put your OP there.

Or she could make her own thread. Get more views and advice rather than the residential "love doctors". Its not in the rules she can't have her own thread.

And to the OP, sounds a lot like my relationship... sit down and talk to him seriously, making sure he knows that you two may be single at the end of the talk.
True. But the advice from our "resident love doctor" as you so put would more than likely be worth more than the random, contradicting advice a thread like this would bring.

If we didn't have a singular thread to contain these in the Escapist might as well change its name to "The relationship doomed."

And I for one come here to talk about video games/news. "Not I'm having problems with him/her." That's not the purpose of this site.
 

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Caiti Voltaire said:
Okay, I realise that asking for relationship advice here is akin to asking someone for a sound kick up the ass, but I could use some advice here and I figure this is the most thoughtful of the various web forums I visit, so it cant hurt, I suppose.

I have someone I've been with for a while. We corespond through the internet and some other means. He has a fairly busy day job and so do I, so its generally accepted that we get time for each other when we do.

That's great and all. Here's the catch. I haven't heard anything further than a hi for a while now. Im talking weeks going on months. This is not the first time the relationship has had this difficulty - I complain, it gets pants-on-head-retardedly dramatic for a while, before settling down to how it was before. And I know he has time for it, he spends a lot of the time that we do talk before talking about how he was playing Mass Effect 2 or somesuch. The perils of dating a gamer I guess.

I guess it comes down to a handful of questions, really. Am I wrong to expect to hear more often from him? Is it really akin to asking him to hack off his wedding tackle to put down the games and friends to talk to me once a month perhaps? I don't know. I know that I can be clingy and demanding when it comes to relationships so I suppose I have a fear that I'm doing that now. But when some people have loved ones that they talk to every day and Im lucky if I get a good conversation out of the matter once a month, I guess I really wonder. Am I really out of line here?
your not out of line at all, i would feel the same way if i where you.
 

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w@rew0lf said:
True. But the advice from our "resident love doctor" as you so put would more than likely be worth more than the random, contradicting advice a thread like this would bring.
The forum has a very competent moderation team that can correct me if I'm wrong in posting here, I assure you that they probably don't need you doing their job. If you're not going to add something helpful to the conversation please do us a favour and just don't add anything at all.
 

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Does he consider you his girlfriend? If yall haven't declared a clear-cut relationship, then someone on the internet is not obligated to you.

Also, I fear about a 4chan raid; if people with low post-counts begin to be jerks, I suggest you request a lock.
 

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I think you're right in line.

If he's seemingly disappeared into an never ending hole of some sort and never properly talks to you, aka, have a proper conversation, then you're just right to tell him to get lost... Well if the next time you speak to him anyway.
 

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Erana said:
Does he consider you his girlfriend? If yall haven't declared a clear-cut relationship, then someone on the internet is not obligated to you.
Trust me if we didn't consider ourselves to be in a committed relationship I would not be so hung up about it. Though I start to wonder if he thinks it or if he's merely saying he does. It's an easy suspicion given the circumstances, I suppose.
 

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Caiti Voltaire said:
w@rew0lf said:
True. But the advice from our "resident love doctor" as you so put would more than likely be worth more than the random, contradicting advice a thread like this would bring.
The forum has a very competent moderation team that can correct me if I'm wrong in posting here, I assure you that they probably don't need you doing their job. If you're not going to add something helpful to the conversation please do us a favour and just don't add anything at all.
Trying to point in a helpful direction does contribute to this thread. No matter how bluntly I put it.
 

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Caiti Voltaire said:
Before I know how to respond to this I need to answer this

Have you physically met face to face & do you live near enough to each other that you can meet regularly?
 

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ArsenalMark said:
I think you're right in line.

If he's seemingly disappeared into an never ending hole of some sort and never properly talks to you, aka, have a proper conversation, then you're just right to tell him to get lost... Well if the next time you speak to him anyway.
I guess the spin off question from that is how long of silence you wait before its acceptable to move on. It is not as if I dont IM him and poke him on his cell and such.
 

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long distance never ever ever works ever. than again its been two years since ive been on a date and she was a satanist so what do i know
 

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Caiti Voltaire said:
ArsenalMark said:
I think you're right in line.

If he's seemingly disappeared into an never ending hole of some sort and never properly talks to you, aka, have a proper conversation, then you're just right to tell him to get lost... Well if the next time you speak to him anyway.
I guess the spin off question from that is how long of silence you wait before its acceptable to move on. It is not as if I dont IM him and poke him on his cell and such.
Personally, I'd go with 3 weeks if he hasn't said anything about his disappearance, or respond to any of your IMs/Pokes etc. This is because most holidays last 1 or 2 weeks (May vary for other cultures, I live in England, people rarely go on holiday for 3 weeks), I rarely see people staying away for 3, which is what I usually put random disappearances of friends down too, and they just couldn't be bothered to tell you.

If it gets to 3 I'd usually give up hope and just send them a good bye message, usually along the lines of 'Well, Bye, If you're not gonna talk to me then whatever, Have fun with whatever is more important than sending me one message to tell me where you have disappeared too'.
 

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ArsenalMark said:
Caiti Voltaire said:
Personally, I'd go with 3 weeks if he hasn't said anything about his disappearance, or respond to any of your IMs/Pokes etc. This is because most holidays last 1 or 2 weeks (May vary for other cultures, I live in England, people rarely go on holiday for 3 weeks), I rarely see people staying away for 3, which is what I usually put random disappearances of friends down too, and they just couldn't be bothered to tell you.

If it gets to 3 I'd usually give up hope and just send them a good bye message, usually along the lines of 'Well, Bye, If you're not gonna talk to me then whatever, Have fun with whatever is more important than sending me one message to tell me where you have disappeared too'.
I have a hard time believing its because of holidays, more likely hes busy with friends or gaming giving the limited impression Ive gotten from the few fleeting interactions I've gotten. Yet I suppose that is as good a guideline as any.
 

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Sounds like he isn't really interested, sorry to tell you that. But if he was he wouldn't postpone talking to you all the time.

you should definitely ask him about his definition of the relationship with you (sorry for the bad English, sounds kinda wrong to me). I personally prefer facts over guessings and interpretations so I'd say just ask him directly about his feelings. I think on an average guys are always friends of clear content and facts while girls mostly are more emotional and saying their thoughts in a roundabout way which often leads to misinterpretations and frustration in the end.

straight thoughts will help both of you clearing the situation and finding out what you really want - although relationships aren't logically but emotional. So maybe better just ask him directly but give him some time (talking about 2-3 days, not weeks or months) to think about it and clarify his feelings. But ask for a clear answer then.

just my thoughts about the situation
 

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Caiti Voltaire said:
I have a hard time believing its because of holidays, more likely hes busy with friends or gaming giving the limited impression Ive gotten from the few fleeting interactions I've gotten. Yet I suppose that is as good a guideline as any.
If it did turn out to be that, I think it's a relatively bad excuse on the guys half. Sure: Have some quiet time away from each other to talk to friends, play games, etc, Being around each other 24/7 would be a really bad idea, and while it sounds good it never works out right. But when it's reaching a month without a proper conversation, I'd doubt his lack of commitment to making the relationship work.
 

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Caiti Voltaire said:
Okay, I realise that asking for relationship advice here is akin to asking someone for a sound kick up the ass, but I could use some advice here and I figure this is the most thoughtful of the various web forums I visit, so it cant hurt, I suppose.

I have someone I've been with for a while. We corespond through the internet and some other means. He has a fairly busy day job and so do I, so its generally accepted that we get time for each other when we do.

That's great and all. Here's the catch. I haven't heard anything further than a hi for a while now. Im talking weeks going on months. This is not the first time the relationship has had this difficulty - I complain, it gets pants-on-head-retardedly dramatic for a while, before settling down to how it was before. And I know he has time for it, he spends a lot of the time that we do talk before talking about how he was playing Mass Effect 2 or somesuch. The perils of dating a gamer I guess.

I guess it comes down to a handful of questions, really. Am I wrong to expect to hear more often from him? Is it really akin to asking him to hack off his wedding tackle to put down the games and friends to talk to me once a month perhaps? I don't know. I know that I can be clingy and demanding when it comes to relationships so I suppose I have a fear that I'm doing that now. But when some people have loved ones that they talk to every day and Im lucky if I get a good conversation out of the matter once a month, I guess I really wonder. Am I really out of line here?
I think people starting their own threads is completely fine, never hurts to get a broad consensus of opinion. If you want mine, I've answered your question in the Relationship Problem thread, at the following link: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.117161-Relationship-problem-thread?page=29#5618710
 

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Having finally struck the age of 31, I might impart some limited experience here. So you want to have more interaction with your other, be it either through vocal communication or time spent together. Clearly, he is not making an effort on his part, which might indicate a sign of him losing interest. I assume from reading that you are the one to make the first move in communication (i.e. you call him all the time, he never calls you unless you ask him to) and are probably disappointed mid-way through the call that you bothered once the arguing starts. But then after the dust is settled, you make up and things are great again until the next time. How many "next times" are you on with him? There's something to be said for fighting for something you care about, but really it only makes sense if that reason is mutual between the two of you.
Sounds like perhaps he is not quite mature enough for the relationship you want to have. If it is too much trouble for him to talk to you even once a week, I'd let it ride until he did call you... within reason. Certainly no one here is telling you to sit by a phone with your fingers crossed, hoping he'll wake up and realize he is on the precipice of losing out on a wonderful thing with you. If that were the case, you wouldn't be here.

I know in my own history that I've NEVER been able to get away for more than possibly two days without having to talk to a significant other. One day is understandable; you might be out of town or feeling under the weather. At day two, usually the phone starts ringing with someone wanting to know where the hell you are, and why you didn't call. I will admit that daily communication is nice, but it can be severely over-rated when you have already used up your best conversation material a LONG time ago and you are just running on fumes.
With this modern age of technology, it is still so terribly sad that people can't even email each other. Anyone remember email? I'm guessing not because even my best friend doesn't email me, and I have no idea where he's been for over two weeks. Text messaging, email, damn even a post on your FB wall would be better than absolute silence.

The signs do not point to a happy ending at this juncture. There's being polite and being ignorant. I don't mean ignorant in the negative way... I mean that you are simply ignorant to the other side of the situation and have no way of informing yourself of the facts at hand as they lie presently. You seem to put a lot more conviction, effort and emotion into a relationship that isn't being reciprocated to your satisfaction. At the end of the day, the choice is ultimately yours since this guy can't get off his console to let you know anything. For him, your relationship is a convenience. You do all the work, he gets to say he has a girlfriend to his friends. He doesn't look like a loser, but you feel like one. What you have to figure out is if the future of this relationship is worth the amount of work it takes to maintain it. It appears you hit a diminishing return quite early in this emotional investment, so it might be time to consider withdrawing your interest unless the condition of this market improves.

But don't overlook the aspect of closure. You don't want to just not call him and let that loose end fix itself... so if you do decide to end it, at least call the guy and tell him how you feel. Sure, you'll make him feel like a piece of crap, but I'm almost willing to bet he will not put up a big fight to keep you. He seems to go with the flow through this whole relationship, I'm sure he'd be happy to let you tell him when it is officially over. Whatever you decide to do, just don't solely make the decision with your heart.
 

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Ok my first piece of advice is to never ask for advice on the Escapist or anywhere on the Internet about anything EVER. Talk to someone in person about it.
 

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Scasey92 said:
long distance never ever ever works ever. than again its been two years since ive been on a date and she was a satanist so what do i know
I wouldn't say never ever ever. But I do think that it takes a lot of work, and some people just aren't really willing to put the time and effort that it takes into maintaining a long-distance relationship.

I really do hope this works out for you, Caiti hon.
 

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Okay, I didn't read this entire thread, just the first 5-8 posts [not keeping count] but let me try and share some of my experience with you.

My last real relationship was long distance, and it was actually great. Albeit her n I talked every single day and she was actually from here, meaning I knew her prior to the relationship, she had just moved across the country due to cancer and the best treatment being there [her father was loaded and wanted the best, it worked out in the end, thank God]

anyway, that's not the point, my point is, even though we talked practically every day, sent gifts, pictures, pillow cases, articles of clothing and so on whenever we had the chance, in the long run it didn't work out. I'm not saying it can't, because we lasted over a year, but it takes so much work and honestly, on my behalf, it was hard to do. Sometimes a guy's just not willing to put up the effort anymore, they see it as some sort of lost cause or something. I truly hope that's not the case for you, because I know the heartbreak can be unbearable at times.

I'd suggest what a few others here have said, just try and talk it over, and if he can't do that, he's probably not your best choice. You need somebody who can listen to you, somebody you can listen to, too, without making up excuses. If you truly want to work you need to trust eachother in the deepest of ways. You need to be able to confide in one another no matter how difficult the subject matter may be, even if you both are brought to tears, it's the best thing you can do.

But honestly, you may be better off finding somebody closer to home, or at least somebody willing to put up more effort. These things are hard, and when it's long distance it's made even more difficult. That doesn't mean it's impossible, though, it just means that it's going to take a hell of a lot more work from both parties, and you seem to be actually trying from what you've said, and the fact that you cared enough to go onto the internet and ask abunch of random people advice. That takes some courage to do, quite frankly.

Love and relationships are more difficult than some people think, and many, many guys don't even know the first thing about them. Myself, I was blessed [sometimes i'd call it cursed] with a soft heart and a romantic mindset. I'm one of the most quixotic people you could ever meet, even if most people may not realize it at face value, get me alone long enough and I can go on for hours about this sorta thing, giving a passionate argument. But other guys just aren't the same way. Maybe they can change, but maybe they don't want to, either.

Just try your hardest to have a calm, civil conversation about the whole ordeal, and if he can't even manage that then the issue may be too much. I know you don't want to give it up, nobody ever does. It's a pain inside that'll rip through the very fabric of time [cake for whoever gets that reference without googling] but sometimes it's a necessary evil and we just gotta face the facts and move on.

I really do know how badly that can hurt though, and I'm not saying that's what you should do, but it may be the best option in the long run. Then again, it may not. It'll be difficult, quite the struggle, but I know, at least from my experiences, that someday later on down the line you'll find someone else. I've already begun to move on to a more local girl who's been my bestfriend for years now, and we're doing great. And this is only barely less than a year after that last, long distance relationship finally came to a close, and that still hurts me to this day.

Just talk about it, really, as I've said and many others have, I'm sure.

But these things are NOT easy, I can't lie to you about that, it'll be hard, really hard, and I hope you two manage to work things out, and if not then I really wish you the best in future dabbles with the whole 'love' thing. It's not to be taken as lightly as many take it.

Good luck.
 

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Corn Cutter said:
Sounds like he isn't really interested, sorry to tell you that. But if he was he wouldn't postpone talking to you all the time.

you should definitely ask him about his definition of the relationship with you (sorry for the bad English, sounds kinda wrong to me). I personally prefer facts over guessings and interpretations so I'd say just ask him directly about his feelings. I think on an average guys are always friends of clear content and facts while girls mostly are more emotional and saying their thoughts in a roundabout way which often leads to misinterpretations and frustration in the end.

straight thoughts will help both of you clearing the situation and finding out what you really want - although relationships aren't logically but emotional. So maybe better just ask him directly but give him some time (talking about 2-3 days, not weeks or months) to think about it and clarify his feelings. But ask for a clear answer then.

just my thoughts about the situation
Sometimes I wonder if I'm the guy in the relationship and hes the girl, I'm usually pretty blunt and direct with what I expect and how I feel - oftentimes to the detriment of those around me - whilst he's always seemed a little emotional and unstable.

-sigh-

I adore him, I honestly do. He's great to be around when he decides he wants me. But when that's like .. once a month maybe ... well I'm not sure that's really sufficient to me. I wish I had a way to communicate that to him in such a way that it would fix it permanently instead of on a short term basis.