I said 'could', and this is just why. Why Sega has not made another Jet Set Radio is beyond me. JSRF is one of the most fun games I've ever played.S-Unleashed said:
When should you end a series?
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True dat! but Really I get sick the whole "This fill in thw blank must die!" Just enjoy the ride or get off.
When the originally planned plot comes to a conclusion.
Games and American TV series get this horrifically wrong. They constantly run on with hooks for the next sequel/season until no-one remembers why they like it in the first place and all the good points have long since been worn off.
Occasionally sequels go nuts and reinvent the series (TF2, Resident Evil 4, Aliens), but even then there's a limit. the 'story' as seen by the writers ends at the end of aliens, sort of a happy ending and all evidence of the creatures in the known universe is wiped out. Ripley is exhonerrated and everybody goes home.
But Fox wanted more money so out they squeezed the two sequels (number 3 on the way), with suits instead of talent in control of everything. None of the men in charge had any idea how to write or direct a film and it shows in the two shambles that result (not to mention the opinions of the talented people roped in then dragged under in the production).
Games and American TV series get this horrifically wrong. They constantly run on with hooks for the next sequel/season until no-one remembers why they like it in the first place and all the good points have long since been worn off.
Occasionally sequels go nuts and reinvent the series (TF2, Resident Evil 4, Aliens), but even then there's a limit. the 'story' as seen by the writers ends at the end of aliens, sort of a happy ending and all evidence of the creatures in the known universe is wiped out. Ripley is exhonerrated and everybody goes home.
But Fox wanted more money so out they squeezed the two sequels (number 3 on the way), with suits instead of talent in control of everything. None of the men in charge had any idea how to write or direct a film and it shows in the two shambles that result (not to mention the opinions of the talented people roped in then dragged under in the production).
Is This sarcasm?Akai Shizuku said:
Counter-point: Sonic the hedgehog: The developers probably think every made game after the second game was a great idea.
Generally when the creators get tired of it, or, if it was really enjoyable, after the first season/book/game. Gotta keep the good things brief, so people can get into them easily. Dragonball's fine and dandy, but it's too long to actually get into.
Much of the ride's fun and enjoyment is found in hating it though!S-Unleashed said:
From a gamer's view, when the games are just drawing out ideas and stop focusing on the apect of fun.
From a business view, when it stops making money. If people keep buying games, the're gonna keep making 'em.
Personally, I seem to take more of the business view. Take Sonic Team for example; nobody seems to like them or even have faith in them, but as long as people keep buying the games and earning them money they have to churn out a gem eventually.
Or they can save everyone some time and use my awesome idea of remaking the originals with better graphics.
From a business view, when it stops making money. If people keep buying games, the're gonna keep making 'em.
Personally, I seem to take more of the business view. Take Sonic Team for example; nobody seems to like them or even have faith in them, but as long as people keep buying the games and earning them money they have to churn out a gem eventually.
Or they can save everyone some time and use my awesome idea of remaking the originals with better graphics.
They had a decent conclusion with Alien 3 (the many iterations that they went through before what actually hit theaters were so much better than the afterbirth that actually did), but they fucked that up with mid-production rewrites. It was meant to be the poetic end to the series and I can respect that, but Alien: Resurrection? What were they thinking?fix-the-spade said:
They were thinking "Hmm lets see how many good B listers can we rope into this film to try and get star appeal, erm Ron Pearlman will do it, Winona Ryder will too, Gary Dourdan is a promising up and coming actor, lets see if we can put a fly in the ointment of his career! Oh what's that? We have nothing left to pay the writers? We'll just get some of the inters to do it on their coffee breaks..."Proteus214 said:
Actually, to answer my own question, it was because Sigourney Weaver was still butt hurt that she didn't win the Oscar for Aliens. She was the one who produced Alien: Resurrection and encouraged the continuation of the series in the first place.wewontdie11 said:
ThisLackingSaint said:
I almost forgot about Alien: Ressurection. You ruined my day :'(wewontdie11 said:
Christ really? I thought she would have had more respect for the series that shot her to international fame than to spoil it in such a way.Proteus214 said:
Sorry about that. I'd much rather they left it after the first 2 and the others be erased from all records. 3 was too contrived and unnecessary although it did have some good points in a decent story and as Proteus214 says a nice ending, and Resurrection was just "what the hell!?"Cartman2nd said:
But that's just it, the conclusion was the end of Aliens. The entire film is about revenge and facing demons, it even ends with Ripley getting her family back (after a fashion).Proteus214 said:
It doesn't even end on a semi cliff hanger like the first one does, the alien nest is gone and so is the derelict, the Sulaco isn't a little drifting life pod, it's a warship that will merrily speed home in a few weeks.
The Justification for 3 was so completely retarded. <spoiler=warning fanboy rant>Wallbanger 1: Bishop, who can't let a human be harmed by his own action OR inaction, deliberately neglected to mention a face hugger egg was on board. Knowing it would result in the death of Hicks, Ripley and Newt.
Wallbanger 2: How did the queen lay the egg? She ripped off her ovipositor and left the whole organ under the converter, specifically to chase the creature that had just burnt her brood.
Wallbanger 3: Why did the Sulaco just jettison the crew? Naturally the best safety system in an interstellar star ship is to drop the crew into deep space with no designated landing area.
Wall banger 4: How did the facehugger start a fire? No really, how?
Wallbanger 5: How did it impregnate Ripley whilst she was in hypersleep without killing them both?
Wallbanger 6: Why did the Sulaco have no fire suppression systems on board, it was a war ship for crying out loud.
Wallbanger 7: Hicks and Newt, having gone to such great lengths to give them development and show them as both naturally lucky and born survivors, why are they so summarily killed off?
Wallbanger 8: Given her extreme dedication to both in the previous film, why does ripley show no apparent sign of being affected by their deaths?
Whew, that was a rant and a bit. Anyway, my point is that 3 was an arbitrary add on to a story that had already ended. As if the Dark Lord Sauron has decided he didn't really need that ring at the end of Lord of the Rings and began his new assault by assasinating Sam and Aragorn, then Gandalf reveals he knew that would happens all aong but just didn't care. It was just retarded!
I agree completely, especially about Halo. What I've found about Halo is that first of all, the games aren't nearly as mediocre as Yahtzee seems to insist (and then again he claimed to have never played the first 2 Halo games, I rather enjoyed them, even Halo 2's campaign, you can gasp now) and second for a mainstream property it's an incredibly deep and expansive, it's depth is comparable to Gundam or Fallout and there is a sense of realism about it's space travel technology. I'm actually ok with the novels (some of which I've read, they aren't exactly LOTR but they're decent reads) and other games because really in a mythology like that Master Chief's is only one story. Besides, if they keep selling then Bungie would be a fool to kill off the series now, especialy since they cut away from Microsoft.Trivun said:
Alien 3 went through alot of problems and the original idea, that of an alien on a monestry-spacestation, could have worked but the directer kept changing and new writers were brought in. In fact the crew had t- shirts made up with "fuck" on them to show their disappointment.fix-the-spade said:
Story driven games are and should be dead at 3 installments max. Anything over that (and frankly even 3 is pushing it but some developers can pull it off) is just like one of those telenovelas where the produces invent impossible and ridiculous plots just to keep the series going for a maximum number of episodes. Its annoying and nobody wants a story to drag on for years. Even fans lose interest in a story that gains one episode every year (at best).
Games that dont rely on a fixed story, can basically go as long as the style of the game is popular. Like GTA, it can go for as long as people find it fun to be a gangster that steals cars and runs over grannies in police chases, and such.
Games that dont rely on a fixed story, can basically go as long as the style of the game is popular. Like GTA, it can go for as long as people find it fun to be a gangster that steals cars and runs over grannies in police chases, and such.