When the Negatives Outweigh the Positives

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Stuberfinn88

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Hello Fellow escapists... its roughly 5 AM over here, and I have finally been able to pull a bit of my thoughts together. The Following Paragraphs can be considered a rant with a serious future life deciding decision that I am having a hard time with. My only other options could be shelling out $10k worth of therapy sessions that could probably give the same results as a collective of intelligent individuals giving me their own thoughts and experiences.

And so here I begin.

About myself, and my situation. I am Currently 22, when I was 18,upon my High school graduation, as most people find out after they graduate, my parents threw an ultimatum at me:

I could continue to live at their house for free by working for them for free(my parents Home is both a home and a Mentally Handicapped/Disabled care facility) which consists of caring for these people as well as basically becoming a slave to any wish that my parents have, which I have practically done since I could walk anyways. The Side benefits would be that they would pay 100% for my College Fee's.

BUT, Should I find my own better paying job, which I would need to get anyways if I were to ever get some financial backing should I move out, I would have to pay them an absurd $2k a month for rent, and if I were to move out of the house for better rent and more in-dependability, they would threaten to stop paying for College on top of that. Which at that point in time with the economy, the choice was clear, and I decided to choose the Paid College route.

Now, 4 years later still doing college(part time) and working/living with my parents, and I believe that I have been put into some form of unending torment, which my parents have constructed. Let me put it this way, consider your current Boss, now consider them being the most horrible boss you can imagine, now picture them knowing everything about you since you were born, all of your faults and all of your mistakes that you have ever made growing up, and oh yeah last but not least, they live with you 24/7!

My daily "slave" work consists of the following, rather then give me a list of things that they want me to do for the day, they have me report to them after every task is complete, like as if I am suppose to wait on their every wish and whim, there are no normal or defined work hours, I work until they see fit, and since there are no defined work hours, they have me doing tasks at all hours of the day. leaving me little to set and guarantee for a personal life.

Should I ever miss something or make a mistake, no matter how small or how trivial it is, my parents will then declare that I am incompetent, and that I never change, and to prove their point, they then bring up something similar that I did when I was 9.... When they give me a task, every time they talk to me as if I am stupid, for example: "Clean this bathroom, and make sure you use cleanser." Like really... who doesn't use cleanser....the lists goes on, and the annoyances themselves are small, but they add up, but over the years, I've noticed that its been escalating, smaller and smaller things set them off, it doesn't even have to make sense anymore, as long as they saw fit, they would bring it up, declare that I would never make it in the real world, any Boss would fire me within the first week, anything you can possibly think of that's verbally demeaning, they have indirectly or flat out directly said it. Not to mention, there is no privacy... I bought myself new door knobs that locked with a key, a few months later, my parents removed the door/doorknobs and replaced it with one that doesn't, so even if I wanted to get away from them, I couldn't.

I have tried confronting them about the shit their pulling, but it always ends the same way... "if you don't like it, you can move out." So for the entire sake of my Education, I have been trying to put up with their badgering, and threats of kicking me out of the house. To cope with it all, one of my coping mechanisms is games of course, it was one of the first things that helped me drown them out of my thoughts while I was a kid, and at this point can be considered an addiction in my life, I have to play a game just to temporarily relieve my mind of the stress its going through on a daily basis. One of my other coping mechanisms that I have created during these past 4 years has been to intentionally throw back stress back at them, whether its intentionally doing a shitty job just to spite them(which doesn't help with their idea about my competence, but at the same time... what will?), or being rudely sarcastic with each and every task. I Even did exceptional jobs just to see if it would make things better, but since I'm not perfect and can't account for every possible thing, I eventually might miss something which then to my parents acts like a Combo breaker of all the exceptional work I've done up and till that point, which then they go right back to the badgering and saying that I never change and that When I was 12, I mixed white clothes with colored clothes in the washer...

Trying to cope with it all has been helping me less and less, it could be that they aren't getting worse with their badgering, just my ability to tolerate it. In addition, this past year I have been battling with depression by myself, along with my levels of self confidence, falling in and out of it almost on a weekly basis, and with it I can feel myself having more disgust for everything, and becoming more numb and even something on the lines of a borderline sociopath.

I would have loved to toy with the idea of going into the Military, but, on account of damaging my bones in my knee and arm as a kid, which both have never fully healed and to this day are a constant reminder that I wouldn't be accepted.

I know my situation isn't the worst, there are those that are homeless, others that have to pay for their own schooling, etc. But at this point, as the title implies, does the negatives outweigh the positives? Should I take a chance and throw myself out there, to see if I can somehow lift this mental/emotional weight of mine while putting my life's financial burden on me with College/rent at the same time? Or, Should I try to hang in there and deal with it for as long as I can, till I am done with school and have some form of a degree behind me that will help me get a foot into the door?

As you can probably tell, I am already back into Depression, which is kind of why I am posting this as a way to pull myself out of it again. So on a Side question, Have any of you fellow escapists been put through a similar situation? What was your decision? Do you regret it?
 

Erana

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As hard as it is to believe, its not a one-sided issue. There's a side to their relaitonship. I don't know enough to give an opinion on it, but if they haven't physically hurt you, and they give you the option of moving out, then chances are, you're stressing them, too. And if things have only been getting worse, some space between you might be a good idea.

And if you need some financial independance from them, you should look into student loans. They're Hell, but they make tuition manageable. Just have some sort of monetary income, and you'll be able to handle it. And why aren't you living in a college dorm or something? Student loans will cover meal plans, books and housing.

Just please, if you do move out, don't let it become a big fight. Try and remain as calm as possible on the matter, even if its difficult. If you can't say anything that wouldn't escalate the argument, then don't say anything at all.
 

Zedayen

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I'm not too familiar with the American higher education system, how long does one stay in college? If you've attended 4 years so far then it can't be too much longer. It might be tough, but you should stick it out. The attitude your parents have towards your work ethics, whilst a little harsh at times, will over-prepare you for the real world. It may not seem it, but it comes from a place of love. They haven't kicked you out, you're living rent free and they're paying for your education and living expenses, and as you have no other job I would assume they pay for other things like your games too.

See if you can switch from part time to full time study. The faster you finish your degree, the faster you get out.
 

Stuberfinn88

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Its roughly 2 years for each degree if its full time, the first year I spent looking for what I wanted to Major in, the 2nd was spent getting my bearings and General Ed at a local Community College, 3-4th years has been spent at an online University. As far as income goes, I had a weekend job for the past 6 years, which I had used for any personal expenses, whether its clothes/games/etc, but 3 Months ago the business went under( The business owner thought that any income should go right into her pocket while putting the bare minimum back into the business, shit hit the fan when she wouldn't shell out money to repair her own equipment that's required to run the business). I am currently almost done with my Associates Degree, but I want to at least get my Bachelors. Part of the agreement of my schooling was that I had to apply for Financial Aid/Student Loans, since my parents wouldn't/couldn't pay up front for the tuition themselves. Now 3 Student Loans, and Financial Aid isn't covering the last of my Schooling, the school would only let me apply for Part Time Student, and even in Part Time the Financial Aid won't cover my part time student classes, and if there is any Balance on my student account, the school would lock me out of my classes until that balance is paid off, which if I cant pay it off, and I cant access or continue my schooling, then my Financial Aid is revoke since I won't be considered a Part Time student anymore. Which is also what Is happening right now, I am waiting for this balance to get paid off so that I can finish this Degree.
 

Sonofadiddly

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Dude, get out. That sounds like a horrible situation to be in. Plus since your parents have obviously been assholes to you your entire life, and you have never been able to be away from that, the trauma of have overly-critical and unloving parents is extending into adulthood. It sounds like the damage is becoming severe, and I would advise you to move away as soon as possible. Yeah, school is important, but your psychological health is more important. You can always go back to school, but it's real hard to recover from parents like yours, so the sooner you cease contact with them, the better.

Also, the random advice of questionable quality of untrained forum people is no substitute for therapy, my friend. Yeah, it's expensive, but it cured the depression that I had after living with overly critical parents who would withdraw their love the moment I did something wrong for my entire life.
 

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Do you think your parents are reasonable people? Why not reason with them. Something like: I know I am your child no matter how old I get. But your treatment of being your child needs to grow up. You don't need to tell me I need a cleanser everytime you tell me to clean the bathroom. I know spit isn't a good solvent. I don't know where you get this idea of me being perfect but can you accept the fact that I can make mistakes like any other human beings? You don't need to put me down when I mess up. I know that I do but to me, it doesn't matter if I do. There is no reward, no goal to attain. There is just sarcasm and belittling. I am trying to live by your rules and you may think my problems with college, finances, etc. aren't great compared to yours, but this isn't exactly easy for me. And I appreciate you guys giving me a choice because not many people have that opportunity, but can you help me out here? I am feeling .

I am NOT saying, use my words. I am just trying to give you an idea of things to say. BUT by all means, find and use your own words, as you know your situation better than I do.
Some things to keep on point with your arguement with your parents:
1) Don't get mad or make them mad, explain it and express your feelings about it. No whining or pouting or complaining. If you say things to make them mad, they will shut down on you. It seems like your parents shut down by saying, "if you don't like it, you can move out.", but I don't think they want you to.

2) Don't play offense or defense in the arguement no matter what they say. In other words, don't have to offend them or try find an excuse/defend on your position. This arguement is about what you want which is better treatment and you are trying to figure out how to get that from them or what they think about that.

3) It's not about right or wrong. It's about perspective. This is how they(parents) think/are and this is how you(their child) think/are. So argue in terms of that in order to see eye to eye on it.

4) Realize your child mechanisms, if you have one. I like to think that parents who probably didn't mean to do it but it happens, have "trained" you to react like a child when they put their foot down like pouting,complaining,whining,tantrums, etc. They can't see you as an adult if you still do those things.

I am 37 years old and my parents still treat me like I am 12. They are still like, Did you eat? Your hair is too long. Your finger nails are too long. etc. God, I feel like pouting but that will only reinforce them to treat me like a kid. ARGH!

In the end, hopefully, they understand you better and change so maybe you can change or be yourself. If all else, maybe you can understand where they are coming from to decide whether you really need to leave.

SORRY FOR THE LONG POST.
 

yellingatpixels

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in short:

you can get out but it means student loans, major budgets and full time school. Get school done, get work and get out.

Why?

Cause moving out may make you closer. I know I am closer to my parents now that there is a border between us.

It will be rough going, but both of you will probably benefit from independance and time apart.

ps You will always be a child to your parents. thats just the way of the world
 

Stuberfinn88

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Imp Poster said:
As far as reasonable goes, my mom would be the only one that would ever hear me out, my dad's opinion of me is equal to that of a meth head... so talking to him never worked out for me, he's been like that since I was a kid when I decided I didnt like playing baseball anymore, and to my dad, baseball was considered a man's sport, but I didnt share his love for the game or any sport in general, so he probably cut his losses there.

With my first plea, I tried to be as civil as possible, trying to get a compromise/truce out of them by explaining the connection to my intentional shitty attitude and work ethic was in exact correlation with the way they were treating me. I basically flat out said that we should just get off each others backs and things would get better slowly. My mom would backfire saying that She can't trust me because of my track record, and that she would only stop after I have proven myself to her. So despite the fact that I explained the cause for my actions, she wouldn't meet me half way... and just like in the past when doing an exceptional job didnt change the way they treated me, as usual, they didnt change their way of treating me. Its like trying to change the image that they have of me is like trying to build a sand castle out of a Cement brick, they got this such solid idea of me that no matter what, they cant get away from it, it just might be the Child-Parent relationship, but even then, no one should have such a low opinion of their kid and refuse to shift from that... So as usual I reverted back to my Passive aggressiveness cause I wasnt going to continue to be the only one suffering, and since then, whenever they get fed up with my attitude, I tell them every time, "i will stop when you stop".

I could maybe try another plea and possibly take a different approach as you suggested, but I would probably have to work on it like a speech, and get others opinions of it, cause much like my last pleas, they all ended up like the one mentioned above... they usually always win the argument by bringing up my past, which there is nothing I can do about or refute, I cant change the past, that's why its called the past...
 
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2000 dollars for rent?! Is that normal over there? Because that seems abnormally high... especially for parents...

Did you ask them why they would stop paying for your college fee's if you moved out? I don't understand why your parents would do something arbitrary like that...
 

Stuberfinn88

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Sneaklemming said:
2000 dollars for rent?! Is that normal over there? Because that seems abnormally high... especially for parents...

Did you ask them why they would stop paying for your college fee's if you moved out? I don't understand why your parents would do something arbitrary like that...
Its over twice as much as some of the nice local apartments with basic utilities.
As far as their reason, they always try to dodge it, but from the past I already have a very good idea why. The Home/Business/Care facility requires them to have a certain amount of staff to take care of the people that live at the house, and if I worked for them, they wouldn't have to hire a staff person, which if you havent noticed is a hard thing for them to do, when all of the employee's quit after a year or two MAX because of the way my parents are..
 
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I really think you need to have a serious discussion with you parents. Tell them how you feel. After all - they are your parents.
 

ultrachicken

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When they bring up your past, bring up theirs.

It really just sounds like you and your parents need some time apart, but they won't even let you keep your door locked.
 

Stuberfinn88

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Wow, To be honest, I am already feeling a lot better just from talking about it, instead of keeping it all bottled up and quietly festering as a mental illness.

And from the looks of it, its also a good thing that I will be going on a 2-3 week road trip with my bro around the US starting Monday. maybe this trip will be enough for a much needed break, and once I come back, I might be able to have a conclusive talk with them without the unneeded stress from us butting heads against each other fresh in our minds.

With that, My new new years resolution will be to either smooth things over with my parents, or ultimately move out and find my own independence.

Thanks everyone, really do appreciate all your help!