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See, the minute you said that, some executive said "hold my beer."The Lunatic said:
This is all your fault now.
Yeah, but nostalgia boners blind fanboys. The same people who think Star Trek used to be apolitical because they grew up with the politics will forget that they had a Hispanic ghostbuster, a disabled ghostbuster, an old ghostbuster and a lady ghostbuster who was LITERALLY a "social justice warrior" and that all these traits came into play in the show at one point to form an SJW hugbox.undeadsuitor said:
I'm not joking. Except maybe Eduardo's race. I don't remember an episode. But we learned valuable lessons about the elderly, the disabled, and the befemaled. Egon, Kylie and Garrett all reminded us they were just as valuable as the young, male and able.
But again, it's nostalgia, so it'll be okay. Or, like Star Trek, they will see an Extreme Ghostbusters movie as a corruption of the original series, like Trek.
Now, let's just hope SJW political virtue signaling doesn't ruin Captain Planet. That wou;d be a real tragedy.
Imagine if Terminator 2 or Aliens came out today... The only reason Ripley exist as is is because of the rise of feminism in the 70's, so the writers just gender-swapped what was initially a dude (along with Lambert) to "pander" to this mindset.Something Amyss said:
Well from what I've heard the plot is Ray's teenage grandson(or maybe daughter?), and 3 other teenagers decide to be Ghostbusters after finding the car in the barn.The Lunatic said:
So less Ghostbusters and more 'The new Adventures of Scooby Doo'
Sucks to be them. Plus, we have something called Google. They can't bother to look it up, not my problem.undeadsuitor said:
The joke was more aimed at the people who would complain that a Captain Planet movie had turned the franchise political, or "SJW" when the entire franchise was political. It was the nakedest example I could think of.Hawki said:
Bite your tongue! Ripley is one of the only good female protagonists and doesn't exist due to feminist pandering! Angry men on YouTube have been telling me this for years...how can they be wrong?Casual Shinji said:
While I'm being facetious, I've seen a ton of angry nerds use Ellen in stark contrast to Rey, Burnham, Whittaker's Doctor, etc in that she is supposedly the opposite of SJW pandering and not a naked attempt to capitalise on a trend, which is...well, it's as funny as saying that there was no politics in Star Trek until discovery.
I've even seen them defend Kathryn "don't call me sir!" Janeway. The references to race and gender in Voyager (and TOS, and TNG, and DS9, and Enterprise) are somehow not identity politics, but a female protagonist is because...
REASONS!
Nostalgia is our eternal ally.
Don't know if Sarah Connor ever comes up.
The plot doesn't sound all that different from Supernatural, except that Ray would ostensibly not be missing.Silentpony said:
I mean, there's the the element of Supernatural, which hinges on how hot the 30-somethings they hire to be teens are. Is Ghostbusters ready for an ab-splosion?
Leslie Jones, of the 2016 movie, is rather displeased with the announcement. Honestly, I don't blame her, it's hard not to feel like the cast of that movie is getting screwed over. I'm not gonna defend that movie, of course, it was awful, but I feel like the cast deserved better. What's wrong with Ghostbusters 2016 wasn't their fault and I think they'd have done fine with a better script. I get that Sony wants to wash that heir hands off it but announcing what's essentially an apology for it only a few years later... well, it sends a bit of a bad message message if you ask me. Especially seeing how the general narrative around the 2016 one, well before there was even a trailer, was that a cast of women couldn't possibly be as funny as an all male cast which persisted lomg after it came out. Announcing this one now seems to be the studies way of saying "Well, maybe you'really right, let's just go back to the old cast."
Yeah. I know. Still, saw the opportunity to admit that I'd genuinely like a CP movie to at least exist, even if I know that admitting to having genuine fondness for CP isn't something that most people admit, since even if you cast aside the "SJW" elements...well, let's just say it hasn't held up well.Something Amyss said:
But you're right in a sense - CP has each Planeteer from a different continent, with the most ignorant one coming from the US.* If it came out today, people would be crying "forced diversity" (and "liberal agenda" because of the whole 'save the planet from polluters' thing).
*That said, people often miss that while Wheeler arguably exists to have lessons imparted, he's actually the character who probably gets the most development, so...go figure.
To be fair, I do hold Ripley above Rey and Burnham. Rey is likable, but still in Sue territory for me in TFA. And to be honest, I'm not that fond of Burnham's character, compounded her by being surrounded by much more likable characters (e.g. Tilly) and/or interesting ones (e.g. Lorca).
She does. A lot.
I'm not going to defend the treatment of the cast for the 2016 film, but I did occur to me that Leslie Jones being pissed about the series being rebooted kinda mirrors the feelings of those who were pissed that 2016 was a reboot as well.PsychedelicDiamond said:
Still, I'm not overly fussed (from the product-based standpoint) - I like the first and third films well enough (not so much the second), but Ghostbusters has never really been a 'thing' for me. News of Ghostbusters 4 is similar to my take on MIB International - nice it exists, hope it does well, but no skin off my back if it doesn't (and at least MIBI is keeping in continuity, so it gets a brownie point there).
Not just from polluters, but also very specifically the type of people. Gjuys named Looten PLunder, or however it was spelled. Ecoterrorists. Corporate entities that intentionally pollute because as Linkara reminds us...corporations would never do that. What do you mean, "he was born after rivers stopped catching fire because of that socialist Nixon's EPA?"Hawki said:
Sorry, got off track. There's been a major push against stories with morals like this of late.
I haven't even seen Discovery, I just like the irony because of the literal reason Ellen Ripley exists is the "feminist agenda" and marketing choices to "pander" which they claim she isn't and Burnham is. And Rey, the Doctor, and pretty much every female lead since the first Metroid dropped.
Discovery looked bad to me, and I'm unwilling to pay to find out if I'm wrong. If it was going to air on Netflix or something, I'd give it a shot, it just looked bad, and it had only a small amount to do with Burnham. Hipster Spock doesn't help,. either. I'm not so much in the #notmystartrek camp, just the #notinterested camp, but I know she's been...controversial. And part of the easoning is super ironic when she's compared to Ripley.
Rey is in Sue territory only in the same sense as Ani and Luke, in that there's a whole galaxy of hypercompetent Sues out there who cand do pretty much everything the plot needs. Except Han, who still can't fix his damn hyperdrive, but that was a traight established in Empire.
Still, Ripley's capabilities would also be decried as "Sue" territory if Aliens was released today. Hell, her surviving the first movie would likely be called he same, and something something PC agenda.
She does. A lot.
I'm not going to defend the treatment of the cast for the 2016 film, but I did occur to me that Leslie Jones being pissed about the series being rebooted kinda mirrors the feelings of those who were pissed that 2016 was a reboot as well.PsychedelicDiamond said:
Still, I'm not overly fussed (from the product-based standpoint) - I like the first and third films well enough (not so much the second), but Ghostbusters has never really been a 'thing' for me. News of Ghostbusters 4 is similar to my take on MIB International - nice it exists, hope it does well, but no skin off my back if it doesn't (and at least MIBI is keeping in continuity, so it gets a brownie point there).[/quote]
Thing about the CP villains is that you can divide them into two camps - actual eco-terrorists (Duke Nukem, Dr. Blight, Verminous Skumm), and "greedy assholes" (Sly Sludge, Hoggish Greedly, Looten Plunder).* The former will cause destruction to further their own aims (or just for the hell of it), while the rest don't really pollute as a means in of itself, or rather, a means to an end. And even Plunder is diversified in as much that he spent at least one episode propogating a war in the Middle East and selling weapons to both sides.Something Amyss said:
Not going to claim that any of the villains are that in-depth, but guys like Plunder aren't in the camp of "seal clubbing because I'm evil," more "seal clubbing because I want money and I don't care about the risk of these seals going extinct").
*You could technically pull a third category for Zarm and Captain Pollution, but they arguably fit in the first category, though Zarm is less about pollution and more "I want to destroy the world because I'm evil - pollution is one of the ways I can do that" (other ways including nearly triggering a nuclear war and possessing a dictator and carrying out scorched earth policies).
I've discussed Rey to death, but comparing her to Ani and Luke - compare what each character achieves in Phantom, New Hope, and TFA. If Luke was to Rey, he'd be defeating Darth Vader in his debut movie, not waiting three movies to do so, and also requiring no training from Obi-Wan to do any of it.
Also, Han's a Gary Stu, or at least he is in the film Solo, where he can pilot the Millennium Falcon with no problem at all, doing the Kessel Run in less than 10 parsecs despite being new to said ship. That's not to mention apparently being an ace pilot before going to the Imperial Academy.
Rey and Han are examples of Sues/Stus I can still like as characters (the Doctor is also a Gary Stu when you get down to it). I can forgive Sueness/Stuness if the character is engaging enough.
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What script? Paul Feig pointed a camera at a bunch of comedians and told them to be funny. Most of the movie was ad-libbed and it clearly shows.PsychedelicDiamond said:
There's actually a few pretty good jokes in Ghostbusters 2016, but the fact that it's basically all ad-libbed actually totally ruins most of the funny moments because no one in the cast ever shuts up long enough to let the joke just sit. The comedic timing of the entire movie is awful because all of the characters are talking over each other all the time, trying to one up each other.
The actors having fun riffing did not translate into a good movie watching experience, and that's on the cast of the movie just as much as it is on the writers, since the writers didn't actually get to write very many of the jokes.
