When Woodward asks if Trump has any impetus to understand Black Anger. Trump says "No"

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Agreed 100%. But this is not that occasion. This is a question that was asked of him, and you're treating it as though he was answering a different question entirely.
By the mocking way in which he answered it, he was answering several different questions entirely.
 

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My low opinion of them is from what our tribe and others learned from surviving them. When I say " they cared so little for the people they slaughtered," Tribes during those times, like they even continue to do so today lived along side one another, when They would think they were slaughtering one tribe, they sometimes were actually slaughtering 3 separate tribes but didn't even understand that was they were doing because they didn't even understand how the tribes lived along side one another or traded or share resources. It would be like someone killing people from England Ireland, Scotland and France and thinking they were all one tribe. That was how the Spanish actually treated people if they had a similar culture. Hell it wasn't until much later were some of these tribes even recognized as separate tribes because as far as the invaders were concerned " they all look the same so they must be the same". Everything you know and understand about what they did here at the time was from the Spaniards POV of their own account of their actions and not from the POV of the people who they did this to and the surrounding tribes greatly impacted by these actions.

There is no exaggeration, and you again " think" you know everything there is about Hopi because you read it somewhere that some European wrote so it has to be accurate right? The Hopi, alongside the MANY tribes of North, Central and south America had vast trade routes at the time the Spaniards arrived. People traveled and traded DAILY. You act like the Hopi just stayed on our little mesas not bothering to adventure out like "We are plain quiet folk and have no use for adventures. Nasty disturbing uncomfortable things!" like some sort of Hobbit. Everything you read about the tribes being "Isolated" was 100% false. This WAS our daily lives:

Hopi were at the center of Trade for North and central America, and all trade routes lead to us. So when the Spanish invaded and started slaughtering people, some of our people along with others were killed in the process as we had traders everywhere, just as the other tribes did as well. The Spaniards never conquered the Hopi, and I never said they did.They slaughtered many of our trading partners. It would be like someone coming in and slaughtering England and expecting your country to not to know about it and then having someone who had little to no understanding of what was happening there prior to the murderers arrival trying to tell you what happened and how your country is exaggerating about having a history about what happened there. That pretty much sums up most of taught European history of the Americans. Just as some of your nations people would have died in England, if they were slaughtered, the same happened here. Just as you would have had mass grieving for such an atrocity, the same happened here.They do not document any of the tribes history or invasion of the Americas from the perspective of any of the tribes themselves or even bother to learn about life was like before Europeans arrived. It is beyond arrogant of you to suggest that the " Hopi wouldn't know anything about" our own people getting killed alongside our friends, relatives and trading partners who were all along those trade routes you see in the map above. It is honestly rude and arrogant on your part to attempt to tell me you know more about our history and culture and lifestyle than we do. It would be like me trying to tell you I know more about Swedish history than you do by reading it out of a book from a foreign author who didn't even bother to find out and only wrote down what they "thought" they observed. I do not do that because that would be an absurdly ignorant and disrespectful approach to finding more about your culture and history and the shared history you have of your surrounding neighbors.
 
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Uhhhhhh..?

SO the parade continues:
Multiple women came forward to tell Project South about what they perceived to be the inordinate rate at which women in ICDC were subjected to hysterectomies – a surgical operation in which all or part of the uterus is removed. Additionally, many of the immigrant women who underwent the procedure were reportedly “confused” when asked to explain why they had the surgery, with one detainee likening their treatment to prisoners in concentration camps.

“Recently, a detained immigrant told Project South that she talked to five different women detained at ICDC between October and December 2019 who had a hysterectomy done,” the complaint stated. “When she talked to them about the surgery, the women ‘reacted confused when explaining why they had one done.’ The woman told Project South that it was as though the women were ‘trying to tell themselves it’s going to be OK.’”

“When I met all these women who had had surgeries, I thought this was like an experimental concentration camp. It was like they’re experimenting with our bodies,” the detainee said.

According to Wooten, ICDC consistently used a particular gynecologist – outside the facility – who almost always opted to remove all or part of the uterus of his female detainee patients.


“Everybody he sees has a hysterectomy—just about everybody,” Wooten said, adding that, “everybody’s uterus cannot be that bad.”
( From your link)

Trump is going to justify mass illegal sterilization and abuse by dehumanizing them and how they are:
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best,” he said in the same speech. “They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” ~ Donald Trump

And that it was necessary to prevent " anchor babies".
" I'll keep saying Anchor baby" even if it is not PC" ~ Donald Trump

" President Trump plans to sign an executive order that would remove the right to citizenship for babies of non-citizens and unauthorized immigrants born on U.S. soil, he said yesterday in an exclusive interview for "Axios on HBO," a new four-part documentary news series debuting on HBO this Sunday at 6:30 p.m. ET/PT.

This would be the most dramatic move yet in Trump's hard-line immigration campaign, this time targeting "anchor babies" and "chain migration." And it will set off another standoff with the courts, as Trump’s power to do this through executive action is debatable, to say the least. "


I am sure Trump and many of his supporters think this is great and will not have any impact on whether they will vote for him.

"Human rights spewman rights" as far as their concerned. Racists do not see other races as " people". This really should be making people's stomachs turn, but sadly it isn't.
 

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I was just wondering how the situation could possibly get anymore ghoulish.
 

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I was just wondering how the situation could possibly get anymore ghoulish.
How many of those " pro lifers" " anti birth control" crowd are even going to speak up to address this ya think?
 

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Okay. And?
Hmm biggest article there is about how two glaciers are breaking free in the Antarctic due to climate change. Maybe he is concerned about how climate change negatively impacts minority communities and thinks we should do something to help. /s
 
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Even under most standards of wars and invasions, The Spanish took it well beyond that according to the Spanish themselves. What could possibly lead a people to think that this was acceptable under ANY circumstance?
Oh, easily. "Othering," "God allows it/wills it," etc. I'm not trying to do whataboutism here, but reading the excerpt you provided, I was struck how similar it was to accounts of the Rape of Nanking. Heck, it's easy to compare to what's gone on in the last decade or so - there's recently been a soldier's account from Myanmar, of orders being given to soldiers to basically "go in and shoot everyone" (everyone being the Rohinga).

None of this is to sanitize the conquistidors, but it's very easy to get humans to kill other humans.

Actually anarcho communism well long existed post agricultural, and often only ceased to exist when they were invaded and killed by essentially what would be considered serial killers in this day and time. They were often invaded by people who attacked unarmed women, children and men who were just going about their daily business not expecting anyone to come along and murder them. That is pretty much what happened to most peaceful civilizations that were not expecting to be murdered by bands of serial killers that were given wealth and elevated status among their own people. Peaceful civilizations didn't elevate serial killers, they stopped them and condemned them, not give them power and tell them to go kill their neighbors.
Which is kind of a mark against pacifist civilizations if you take the Darwinian point of view. To borrow a phrase from Doctor Who, "show me a peaceful species, and I'll show you lunch."

Even if anarcho communism exists with agriculture, it's why I'm dubious that it could ever work. If every group on Earth decided to "go back to the land," laying down their arms and whatnot, then all it would take is one group to not lay down their arms, and declare the communists' territory free real estate. Pacifism's great in theory, not so great in practice.
 
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Oh, easily. "Othering," "God allows it/wills it," etc. I'm not trying to do whataboutism here, but reading the excerpt you provided, I was struck how similar it was to accounts of the Rape of Nanking. Heck, it's easy to compare to what's gone on in the last decade or so - there's recently been a soldier's account from Myanmar, of orders being given to soldiers to basically "go in and shoot everyone" (everyone being the Rohinga).

None of this is to sanitize the conquistidors, but it's very easy to get humans to kill other humans.



Which is kind of a mark against pacifist civilizations if you take the Darwinian point of view. To borrow a phrase from Doctor Who, "show me a peaceful species, and I'll show you lunch."

Even if anarcho communism exists with agriculture, it's why I'm dubious that it could ever work. If every group on Earth decided to "go back to the land," laying down their arms and whatnot, then all it would take is one group to not lay down their arms, and declare the communists' territory free real estate. Pacifism's great in theory, not so great in practice.
I see it as a mark against the civilizations elevating serial killers rather than the civilizations that live more like we do today. Even in the US, just look at our " suburbs" for example. a group of serial killers like the Zetas could slaughter entire towns and cities before even being stopped, and even then they outgun the police so it would literally take military intervention. This doesn't happen as often though because we do not actually elevate serial killers so it is more difficult for them to be able to band together in mass like that to be able to do this.

The reason why the Zetas were able to take over 11 states in Mexico so fast was due to them basically doing this and going on a rampage and no one was strong enough to stop them until the US government intervened. In order to have a modern, peaceful, educated society, we do promote the condemnation of violence. The universal condemnation of violence and the desire to find peaceful solutions is the entire premise of creating the United Nations. This is the more advanced means of living and it only sets civilization back to allow such promotion of serial killers to gain a foothold anywhere as they will always be a threat to peaceful people everywhere. The objective however is to prevent serial killers from ever being able to gain power or a force to be able to inflict such damage via governments, laws and law enforcement. However, if any of those are corrupt, it will fail to do as shown with what the Zetas were able to accomplish at their peak.