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No, helping people so that lost limb doesn’t disadvantage them sounds so much easier.
What does that look like when we switch from the metaphorical to the real?
Is that giving people free money, just because of the color of their skin?
Is it re-appropriating assets that belong to those with privilege?

How would you 'fix' privilege?
 

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Yeah I'm all for those positions too, which is why I'm a Bernie supporter.

You don't need to damn our history to enact these changes, you don't need to go on about white privilege when the issues are cronysim and oligarchy and corruption.
What do you think White privilege is? Because it’s just cronyism, oligarchy and corruption
(And note, if we’re were in China, we’d be calling it Han privilege. Or Rus privilege in Russian. Well, I don’t know if the second one is actually a thing, but the first one is.)
 

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What do you think White privilege is? Because it’s just cronyism, oligarchy and corruption
(And note, if we’re were in China, we’d be calling it Han privilege. Or Rus privilege in Russian. Well, I don’t know if the second one is actually a thing, but the first one is.)
As people define it, it's just being born in a normal lower middle class household with parents who love you and teach you to obey the law and help you with the homework at night and feed you 3 meals a day and may even take you on vacation in the summertime. People I see uttering the term do not limit the definition to have it apply to the 1% types of people.


Basically everyone who isn't born in the ghetto to a crack addict who has 10 other kids by 10 different men is privileged according to the commonly used application of the term.
 
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As people define it, it's just being born in a normal lower middle class household with parents who love you and teach you to obey the law and help you with the homework at night and feed you 3 meals a day and may even take you on vacation in the summertime. People I see uttering the term do not limit the definition to have it apply to the 1% types of people.


Basically everyone who isn't born in the ghetto to a crack addict who has 10 other kids by 10 different men is privileged according to the commonly used application of the term.
Actually even white homeless people have white privilege over black homeless people doing the exact same things. Even according to White Homeless people:

It is in every facet of society at every level. Even among the homeless and the " ghetto" btw.
You compare the same situation with race being all that is different and then you see how bad this really is. Whether you are wealthy or poor doesn't impact it. White wealthy have privilege over black wealthy. White poor in the same situation has privilege over black poor. That is the same constant no matter which level you compare.
 

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What does that look like when we switch from the metaphorical to the real?
Is that giving people free money, just because of the color of their skin?
Is it re-appropriating assets that belong to those with privilege?

How would you 'fix' privilege?
So the University of North Carolina gives out 6k degrees, most of the rest paid by the state. It was probably meant to be help poorer people get degrees but no poor people go there. Most admittances are not really based on performance but everything else that goes into uni admission like charity work, donations, clubs or musical activities. The rich people can afford to do more of those activities, so they are the ones admitted.

This is ‘free’ money for rich people. (Becuase you have this crazy assumption that most of our taxes go to the poor.... which is not true. I thought the last stimulus package would have made that loud and clear when the average person got 10% of the stimulus and the rest went to the rich. Similar things happened under the GFC. But, you know, that’s how it happens generally. But I digress...). How do we fix this problem?

Means testing it and making admittance based on performance would go a long way to helping, maybe...
 

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Actually even white homeless people have white privilege over black homeless people doing the exact same things. Even according to White Homeless people:

It is in every facet of society at every level. Even among the homeless and the " ghetto" btw.
If the term "privilege" can unironically be applied to a homeless dude, it's a meaningless joke of a term with no grounds for serious use. You wanna use a different word for what you're talking about, because if you're homeless you're super fucked.
 
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Actually even white homeless people have white privilege over black homeless people doing the exact same things. Even according to White Homeless people:

It is in every facet of society at every level. Even among the homeless and the " ghetto" btw.
And being homeless is shit, just to be clear. Even a white homelsss person is worse off than the average black person
 

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If the term "privilege" can unironically be applied to a homeless dude, it's a meaningless joke of a term with no grounds for serious use. You wanna use a different word for what you're talking about, because if you're homeless you're super fucked.
Whose got more privilege, a one arm man or an armless man?
 

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And being homeless is shit, just to be clear. Even a white homelsss person is worse off than the average black person
You can still be wealthy and black and be treated like garbage when you walk into a store. You can still be targeted by white supremacists trying to lynch or kill you no matter how wealthy you are. People will still try to walk to the other side of the street because they are afraid to walk near you and police will still see you as a threat and shoot you regardless of your wealth. It is wrong on so many levels.
 
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If the term "privilege" can unironically be applied to a homeless dude, it's a meaningless joke of a term with no grounds for serious use. You wanna use a different word for what you're talking about, because if you're homeless you're super fucked.
No, privilege is correct,. Did you read the link? EVEN the white homeless man will tell you he is "privileged". Even the homeless are not blind to what they see happen on the street.

AND BTW, I have been homeless. I slept in a box for 2 weeks when I was 14 after my mom threw me out and I was afraid to ask anyone for help before my friends Mom made me go stay with them. She had already had another one of my friends move in with them when his dad moved off and left him when he was 13.

Ugh when I left my ex, It took me a lot longer to get set up than that. I left everything I had and was sleeping in my car for a while and had to start over. It was worth it though to be rid of him. But it was costly, for sure. I left with the money in my purse, which wasn't much, and a bag of clothes. He cleared out my bank account so I had to save for a deposit on an apartment and utilities and I really didn't want people knowing what I was going through at the time, so I tried to just handle my business myself.
 
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Means testing it and making admittance based on performance would go a long way to helping, maybe...
That's a good example, but on the other hand, we have people trying to strike down an anti-discrimination law in California, Prop 209, which disallows even "positive discrimination", because even performance-based admission is objectionable.

In a lot of circumstances you are 100% correct. You can still be wealthy and black and be treated like garbage when you walk into a store. You can still be targeted by white supremacists trying to lynch or kill you no matter how wealthy you are. People will still try to walk to the other side of the street because they are afraid to walk near you and police will still see you as a threat and shoot you regardless of your wealth. It is wrong on so many levels.
I think you misunderstood what Trunkage said. He said the white homeless dude is "worse off" not "better off".


AND BTW, I have been homeless. I slept in a box for 2 weeks when I was 14 after my mom threw me out and I was afraid to ask anyone for help before my friends Mom made me go stay with them. She had already had another one of my friends move in with them when his dad moved off and left him when he was 13.

Ugh when I left my ex, It took me longer to get set up than that. I left everything I had and was sleeping in my car for a while and had to start over. It was worth it though to be rid of him. But it was costly, for sure.
This is not relevant. You don't have to share your anecdotes in every thread, you know.
 
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That's a good example, but on the other hand, we have people trying to strike down an anti-discrimination law in California, Prop 209, which disallows even "positive discrimination", because even that is objectionable.
I think you misunderstood what Trunkage said. He said the white homeless dude is "worse off" not "better off".
Noted* edited. It is pretty sad though when a white homeless guy will literally tell you he recognizes his own white privilege in action and gives examples and people still can't see it.
 

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As people define it, it's just being born in a normal lower middle class household with parents who love you and teach you to obey the law and help you with the homework at night and feed you 3 meals a day and may even take you on vacation in the summertime. People I see uttering the term do not limit the definition to have it apply to the 1% types of people.
No. Peggy McIntosh points out (hardly exhaustively) fifty different things, all of which (so far as I noticed at a glance) were not that.


I think whites are carefully taught not to recognize white privilege, as males are taught not to recognizemale privilege. So I have begun in an untutored way to ask what it is like to have white privilege. I have come to see white privilege as an invisible package of unearned assets that I can count on cashing in each day, but about which I was "meant" to remain oblivious. White privilege is like an invisible weightless knapsack of special provisions, maps, passports, codebooks, visas, clothes, tools , and blankchecks.
In unpacking this invisible knapsack of white privilege, I have listed conditions of daily experience thatI once took for granted. Nor did I think of any of these perquisites as bad for the holder. I now think thatwe need a more finely differentiated taxonomy of privilege, for some of these varieties are only whatone would want for everyone in a just society, and others give license to be ignorant, oblivious, arrogant,and destructive.
 
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That's a good example, but on the other hand, we have people trying to strike down an anti-discrimination law in California, Prop 209, which disallows even "positive discrimination", because even that is objectionable.



I think you misunderstood what Trunkage said. He said the white homeless dude is "worse off" not "better off".




This is not relevant. You don't have to share your anecdotes in every thread, you know.
Actually it is relevant. I do understand just exactly how " shit" being homeless is. It is not even safe for females to go to shelters.
If people are sharing their opinions on homelessness, I will as well, having lived it. How was your experience with being homeless Houseman?
Mine was terrifying, and I was lucky to have a secluded place to hide out.
 

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Actually it is relevant.
It really isn't.

Homelessness was only brought up in relation to privilege: Whether a white homeless person has more "privilege" than a black homeless person, and whether or not this word even means anything in this context.

Your experience as a Hopi person, who is neither black nor white, nor brought up any comparisons with homeless people of other races, is totally irrelevant and adds nothing to the discussion.

Unless you have an anecdote like "My white homeless alley-neighbor got swept away in a limousine due to his privilege and I didn't", it's not relevant.

"Being homeless sure sucks" doesn't add anything to the discussion.
 
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I was responding directly to the quote above " because if you're homeless you're super fucked ",
Yes, I did know that.
I was merely telling you that your personal anecdote is not relevant.

Just because someone mentions homelessness, it doesn't mean that this is an invitation for you to jump in and tell your story.
Your anecdote has nothing to do with privilege or Trump's understanding of racism, the very same topics you would tell me to focus on. Therefore, is off topic. That is all.


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Was it relevant to the discussion as it relates to privilege? Yes or no.



All I did was say that your anecdote wasn't relevant. I think you're overreacting. I'm not "targeting" or "insulting" you.
Of course bringing up experiencing homeless is relevant to understanding the different aspects of privilege, We have many different types of privilege, The shade of our skin impacts our privilege, our class impacts our privilege, whether you are male or female affects privilege, how attractive you are impacts privilege. AlI of these things affect whether or not someone is willing to help you, treat you like a decent human being, whether they will see you as a threat. I would have had an even harder time if I were black when I was homeless. A much harder time. I was attractive, petite, non dark skinned female. All I had to do was walk in and smile at the cashier at the EZ mart and he would give me complimentary food and drinks .. If I were black, that would not have happened. If I were black, I don't even think my friends Mom would have let me stay with them. As nice as my friends parents were to me, his biological Dad was literally in the KKK. Even though his mom left his Bio Dad, she had to at least have been willing to turn a blind eye to some of his BS to have married him in the first place.

This affects every aspect of their lives on so many levels, people often do not understand it until they see it and recognize it for what it is or experience it themselves. I saw it all the time growing up considering this town was filled with KKK. The few black kids in this school district were constantly targeted.