Totally agree with you.Andy Shandy said:
It's a good thing that Colors and Generations came along and put the series back on the right track.
When your favorite series derails
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It's a good thing that Colors and Generations came along and put the series back on the right track.
I hate these threads. They always bring out the most petty people imaginable.
As for me, well I can't say it's derailed exactly, but the old spark seems to have gone out of Mario games lately. Don't get me wrong, I still love them, but I'm not blindly devoted enough not to realize that something is missing. But then again I've been feeling like something is missing from the whole industry for the past 6 or 7 years or so.
As for me, well I can't say it's derailed exactly, but the old spark seems to have gone out of Mario games lately. Don't get me wrong, I still love them, but I'm not blindly devoted enough not to realize that something is missing. But then again I've been feeling like something is missing from the whole industry for the past 6 or 7 years or so.
It would have been nice if all the additional stuff wasn't basically another weapon; so much could have been done with recruiting and using assassins in the field, but instead it was basically another weapon, but not as quick or effective as if you just walked up and stabbed whatever it was.Thunderous Cacophony said:
If there were actually some INVOLVEMENT in all the trade/city renovation/assassin's guild stuff, then we could have got somewhere, but then again including strategy game elements into Assassin's Creed would have been kind of pointless; so yeah, could have done without it.
That being said, I loved the settings of Brotherhood, Revelations and 3, just...everything else...bleh.
For me the main one would be the Final Fantasy series. I've played and completed every game from I to X-2. That's where I gave up. It's a shame, because I really liked the battle system in that game but most of the rest of it was either cringeworthy fan service or just plain awful. I'd already cut X some slack for having no open world, but that...
Wow nobody has said the new Devil May Cry. I am impressed, well done Escapist.
I guess ME3? Because the ending was just THAT horrible. Then again the amount of needless fanservice in that game was a bit weird...
"This was in our last game remember! Haha the throwbacks! Also this! And this! More of that! LOL BIOTIC GODS! LOLOLOLOL"
Christ after a while it was like my brain was getting wanked off by Bioware...
I guess ME3? Because the ending was just THAT horrible. Then again the amount of needless fanservice in that game was a bit weird...
"This was in our last game remember! Haha the throwbacks! Also this! And this! More of that! LOL BIOTIC GODS! LOLOLOLOL"
Christ after a while it was like my brain was getting wanked off by Bioware...
Anyone remember the Jak and Daxter series? First two games were really awesome. Third game was pretty good in my opinion. Then Jak X, which was a racing game... What? It wasn't terrible by any stretch of the mind, but it felt like the series had literally jumped the rails. Apparently they made a new game in the series recently and it was terrible, but I didnt play it.
Also, Kingdom Hearts. KH1 and KH2 were good, and I liked Chain of Memories. But recently, they've been spiraling the drain. 358/2 Days was boring and terribly paced, Birth By Sleep was stupid on so many levels and somehow made me angry about the lack of consistency in a universe with both Disney and Final Fantasy characters, and Dream Drop Distance was so boring and pointless that I haven't even finished it yet. Also Coded, but we don't talk about that
Also, Kingdom Hearts. KH1 and KH2 were good, and I liked Chain of Memories. But recently, they've been spiraling the drain. 358/2 Days was boring and terribly paced, Birth By Sleep was stupid on so many levels and somehow made me angry about the lack of consistency in a universe with both Disney and Final Fantasy characters, and Dream Drop Distance was so boring and pointless that I haven't even finished it yet. Also Coded, but we don't talk about that
Downpour is, admittedly, one of the better SHs following the first few games. My main complaint are the "monsters" being not particularly monstruous or abominable. I wasn't disgusted or frightened by their appearence, nor did I find them their design to be very inspired. As Yahtzee more or less put it, they're "little dudes with their dude wives attacking you with their dude fists" or something along those lines.Leoofmoon said:
Metal Gear Solid series with MGS4 takes the cake for me. I started getting worried around the time Portable-Ops was released because it was showing that they were taking the mysteriousness out of the lore. Then MGS4 was released and is horrible in both gameplay and story aspects, I haven't played a new Metal Gear Solid game since.
The two Metal Gear games and the first three MGS games are fine games though.
The two Metal Gear games and the first three MGS games are fine games though.
You can argue Mass Effect as it is very divisive, but very few people will agree with you on Diablo going to shit after the first one. The second game is considered to be one of the best sequels.Skoldpadda said:
Call of Duty.
I really loved the first game. It had very good graphics for the time and it felt very intense and was fun to play through. Then CoD2 came. Already I saw a slight drop in quality and immersion, but nothing too bad yet. And then CoD3 happened...and the now familiar pattern had been born. The pattern of 'the same game with a new title for full price'. Not just that, but the single player derailed immensely too. Shorter campaigns, more and more focus on just action and movie-like scenes...ugh. I tried a little of CoD4 and MW1, but I really did not like either of them.
Command & Conquer:
I never played the first two, sadly. But god did I have a lot of fun with Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2. (+Yuri's revenge) Campaigns, multiplayer at LAN's, just having fun with a friend. Those two games really were great. Then came Tiberium wars and RA3. TW was...pretty okay and still gave me that C&C feel. RA3 was too forced and over the top with it's campy-ness and seemed to think 'hey, hot chicks! You gamers like that right? Right?!' So I dropped that very quickly. Then Tiberian Twilight came, and I just stopped caring completely when I heard it had the same gameplay style as WH 40k: Dawn of War 2. (I tried that, and it sucked.) There was the generals series too. Generals was pretty okay, and fun in LAN multiplayer with my brother. Otherwise I didn't much care for it either.
I really loved the first game. It had very good graphics for the time and it felt very intense and was fun to play through. Then CoD2 came. Already I saw a slight drop in quality and immersion, but nothing too bad yet. And then CoD3 happened...and the now familiar pattern had been born. The pattern of 'the same game with a new title for full price'. Not just that, but the single player derailed immensely too. Shorter campaigns, more and more focus on just action and movie-like scenes...ugh. I tried a little of CoD4 and MW1, but I really did not like either of them.
Command & Conquer:
I never played the first two, sadly. But god did I have a lot of fun with Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2. (+Yuri's revenge) Campaigns, multiplayer at LAN's, just having fun with a friend. Those two games really were great. Then came Tiberium wars and RA3. TW was...pretty okay and still gave me that C&C feel. RA3 was too forced and over the top with it's campy-ness and seemed to think 'hey, hot chicks! You gamers like that right? Right?!' So I dropped that very quickly. Then Tiberian Twilight came, and I just stopped caring completely when I heard it had the same gameplay style as WH 40k: Dawn of War 2. (I tried that, and it sucked.) There was the generals series too. Generals was pretty okay, and fun in LAN multiplayer with my brother. Otherwise I didn't much care for it either.
Um.
This never or barely never happens with me.
If I liked the series the first time, chances are I will like the second game. And then the third. And so on.
I have actually reconized a few drops in quality in certain series, but never enough to the point than I just completly quit them. Quite frankly it seems like people overexagerate this stuff.
So yeah. Either I love the series from its first game, or I hate them (or I am indifferent, whatever).
This never or barely never happens with me.
If I liked the series the first time, chances are I will like the second game. And then the third. And so on.
I have actually reconized a few drops in quality in certain series, but never enough to the point than I just completly quit them. Quite frankly it seems like people overexagerate this stuff.
So yeah. Either I love the series from its first game, or I hate them (or I am indifferent, whatever).
Allow me to surprise you, then! I greatly enjoyed the Harry Potter games on the PC. Even the simple act of collecting beans was interesting and enjoyable enough. The Philosopher's Stone had surprisingly tense and challenging sections, not least of which was the pit-jumping of the Defense Against the Dark Arts challenges, or the dreaded troll fleeing sequence. The Chamber of Secrets also had lesson challenges, as well as more difficult examination equivalents (I think), for each new spell you learned. These were a bit easier, but were great fun. You got to play Quidditch once or twice as well, which was a hoot.Zhukov said:
I think the Prisoner of Azkaban was the point at which they pretty much perfected their PC game formula. Then they removed the exploration aspects and turned The Goblet of Fire into a series of dull, linear missions. No longer could we explore Hogwarts. They brought the exploration aspect back in The Order of the Phoenix, but that game doesn't exactly run very well on the PC, so I sadly can't enjoy it. After that one, the news I heard from people was generally along the lines of "The next one sucks, don't bother."
I liked the fact that the PS2 games were different from the PC versions. It made a nice change to play a game in which you switched between Harry, Ron or Hermione to move through puzzles.
Does CoD count?
I'm not some stupid fanboy, but Black Ops and WaW were actually quite good. I didn't play them, but I hear Modern Warfare 1 and 2 were also good. However, MW3 and BO2 were terrible. Like, really really bad with no redeeming features in my opinion.
Other than that, there are no series I play that I've given up on.
WAAAAIT WAAAAIT. Nearly forgot. MONSTER HUNTER.
I used to love those games on the PS2 and PSP, I played every single one. I also forced/convinced my family to buy a Wii just to play Tri, but seriously capcom? Now they're saying it'll be a 3DS exclusive (the new game) and probably 4 as well. I now own a PS3 and nothing else, but I really want to play Monster Hunter
I'm not some stupid fanboy, but Black Ops and WaW were actually quite good. I didn't play them, but I hear Modern Warfare 1 and 2 were also good. However, MW3 and BO2 were terrible. Like, really really bad with no redeeming features in my opinion.
Other than that, there are no series I play that I've given up on.
WAAAAIT WAAAAIT. Nearly forgot. MONSTER HUNTER.
I used to love those games on the PS2 and PSP, I played every single one. I also forced/convinced my family to buy a Wii just to play Tri, but seriously capcom? Now they're saying it'll be a 3DS exclusive (the new game) and probably 4 as well. I now own a PS3 and nothing else, but I really want to play Monster Hunter
Dragon Age. Dragon Age 2 was just a mess. From enemies to plot and everything in between.
Knight of the Old Republic. KOTOR was fantastic, KOTOR 2 was average but that's it and SW:TOR was the biggest steaming pile of shit i've ever had the misfortune to play.
Mass Effect. I enjoyed the first, tolerated the second but the third ... it had far more problems than just the ending.
Assassins Creed. I really liked the first one and the second one was okay. After that I gave up. Played Brotherhood at a friends but never bought it (20 minutes was enough to see it wasn't very good) and haven't played any of the others.
Knight of the Old Republic. KOTOR was fantastic, KOTOR 2 was average but that's it and SW:TOR was the biggest steaming pile of shit i've ever had the misfortune to play.
Mass Effect. I enjoyed the first, tolerated the second but the third ... it had far more problems than just the ending.
Assassins Creed. I really liked the first one and the second one was okay. After that I gave up. Played Brotherhood at a friends but never bought it (20 minutes was enough to see it wasn't very good) and haven't played any of the others.
Halo.
CE, 2, and 3 featured multiplayer where two teams started off on even footing, the difference to be made by skill level and map control. Power weapons and pick-ups spawned on the map and it was up to a team to control those in order to accomplish their objective.
Then Reach came along with Armour Abilities and Loadouts, among other things, which fucked it all up. Armour Lock negated everything: Vehicles, grenades, rockets, etc. You could shed plasma grenades with the fucking thing, which means that a successful stick, which was once a point of skill, could be negated with the touch of a button. Jetpack threw a wrench in map movement, Active Camo gave campers newfound invisibility and even radar jamming (don't say it wasn't for camping, the camo didn't even work if you were moving). They removed melee bleedthrough on shields so it became more effective in CQC to just double-melee (what was considered a noob tactic in previous titles) than it was to attempt to outmaneuver your opponent. Bloom added unnecessary randomness to the mid-range combat that dominates Halo's gameplay (Pistol->BR->DMR). Sprint being added as an ability, meaning that A: The gameplay was slowed down in order to make sprinting a commodity, and B: One had to sacrifice their advantageous AAs in order to have any semblance of speed. Sniping became almost too easy, for Halo veterans, as the slower run speeds and lower jump heights made it seem like playing a Custom Game where everyone had to walk.
Halo 4 has most of the same flaws, only now Sprint is a function independent of AAs: Better, because you no longer have to sacrifice an ability in order to actually move, right? Actually no, because the fact remains that everything is slower when not sprinting and you can't fire your gun while doing so, meaning that by default the combat is slower that it should be.
CE, 2, and 3 featured multiplayer where two teams started off on even footing, the difference to be made by skill level and map control. Power weapons and pick-ups spawned on the map and it was up to a team to control those in order to accomplish their objective.
Then Reach came along with Armour Abilities and Loadouts, among other things, which fucked it all up. Armour Lock negated everything: Vehicles, grenades, rockets, etc. You could shed plasma grenades with the fucking thing, which means that a successful stick, which was once a point of skill, could be negated with the touch of a button. Jetpack threw a wrench in map movement, Active Camo gave campers newfound invisibility and even radar jamming (don't say it wasn't for camping, the camo didn't even work if you were moving). They removed melee bleedthrough on shields so it became more effective in CQC to just double-melee (what was considered a noob tactic in previous titles) than it was to attempt to outmaneuver your opponent. Bloom added unnecessary randomness to the mid-range combat that dominates Halo's gameplay (Pistol->BR->DMR). Sprint being added as an ability, meaning that A: The gameplay was slowed down in order to make sprinting a commodity, and B: One had to sacrifice their advantageous AAs in order to have any semblance of speed. Sniping became almost too easy, for Halo veterans, as the slower run speeds and lower jump heights made it seem like playing a Custom Game where everyone had to walk.
Halo 4 has most of the same flaws, only now Sprint is a function independent of AAs: Better, because you no longer have to sacrifice an ability in order to actually move, right? Actually no, because the fact remains that everything is slower when not sprinting and you can't fire your gun while doing so, meaning that by default the combat is slower that it should be.
Awwww dammit, you ninja'd me.Johnny Novgorod said:
Yeah, I was gonna say SIlent Hill, but I personally wouldn't say Silent Hill 4: The Room though. That game did have quite a few moments of brilliance and once the named ghosts came out shit did get real, even if they were slightly annoying. My few issues with it was Eileen fighting with you, the first person angle was awkward, and the final fight was BS.
The rest of the series took a nose dive for me, and for other reasons.
The list was more of an attempt to summarize common fan criticism against the games rather than my own personal take on them (as well as a way of acknowledging the fact that nobody ever disses with the first three games, SH1's cheesiness aside). I actually hold SH4 as one of my favorites. After SH2 I find it to be the most bizarre and mystifying of the the lot, and I've always been amused by how many people hate it so fervently. I also think Downpour is a decent game on its own, "SH cred" regardless. But yeah, the series has jumped the proverbial shark one too many times.Fiz_The_Toaster said:Awwww dammit, you ninja'd me.Johnny Novgorod said:
Yeah, I was gonna say SIlent Hill, but I personally wouldn't say Silent Hill 4: The Room though. That game did have quite a few moments of brilliance and once the named ghosts came out shit did get real, even if they were slightly annoying. My few issues with it was Eileen fighting with you, the first person angle was awkward, and the final fight was BS.
The rest of the series took a nose dive for me, and for other reasons.