Where Are The WW1 Games?

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timmytom1

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I think we`re well overdue a decent WW1 game ideally similar in style to the total war series ,but if it HAS to be an FPS then it won`t take place on the western front,not unless it`s in either one of the major batlles (somme,Ypres) or towards the end or beginning when major pushes that had any kind of sucess (as anyone who`s heard the bitching about how pointless KZ2`s plot was ,gamers don`t take doing what`s asked of them and still failing lightly) were made ,perhaps on the eastern front or the italian front things would be different and far more exiting
 

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Future Hero said:
JimbobDa3rd said:
Future Hero said:
The Iron Ninja said:
Future Hero said:
Rather than reading your long,unspaced wall of text, i'll just say this:
WW2: Hitler
WW1: No Hitler
I'll put this in as few words as I can so you don't get scared away.

WW2: Hitler
WW1: Also Hitler. Except instead of being in power he was in the trenches getting shot at and miraculously surviving artilery barrages that killed the rest of his company.
Don't confuse boredom with stupidity.
Making a game where Hitler is depicted as a grunt getting shot and whatnot would mean presenting him in a somewhat sympathetic way, and there's no way that's gonna happen.
As far as the gaming industry is concerned , Hitler only started existing when WW2 began.

Yea not the years he spent before the war started leading the nazi political party and rebuilding german economy, learn your history
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I didn't say anything historical in my post.
I never said he DIDN'T lead the nazi party to power and rebuilding the economy, just that there probably won't be a game showcasing it..
Guys, not to sound condesending, but stop flaming each other. Kinda detracts from the discussion.
 

dontworryaboutit

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I discussed this on another thread and it's pretty simple.

Ambiguous 'bad guy' situation meets trench warfare. Something about sitting in a muddy hole in the ground for months, getting trench rot, dysentery and being shelled and gassed doesn't scream 'action packed war game' to me.
 

timmytom1

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holydog said:
timmytom1 said:
I think we`re well overdue a decent WW1 game ideally similar in style to the total war series ,but if it HAS to be an FPS then it won`t take place on the western front,not unless it`s in either one of the major batlles (somme,Ypres) or towards the end or beginning when major pushes that had any kind of sucess (as anyone who`s heard the bitching about how pointless KZ2`s plot was ,gamers don`t take doing what`s asked of them and still failing lightly) were made ,perhaps on the eastern front or the italian front things would be different and far more exiting
Good point. A rts might work.
I was thinking more of a grand campeign table style thing,but an rts could work
 

Nmil-ek

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Because there would be no yanks patrioticaly wavin' old red, white an' blue in the face of big bad hitler while fighting android zombie nazi's.
 

thebestaround21

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the reason i think is that the remaining world war one survivors are all extremely old and possibly dead i remember only a few years ago EIGHT were left and two were in Canada so it would be hard to get a good account of the battles of world war one. i agree that their should be a few maybe as DLC but a full game would be hard to pull off.
 

thebestaround21

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the game play would be horrific because world war one was a war of attrition and no clear cut good or evil. the American patriotism would find a way to ruin the game and tell you HA HA were the best. the battles are all significant, especially Vimy Ridge and pashcendaele but the battles would be as you said slogging through minefields and barbed wire only to be mowed down by the German machine guns.
 

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BudZer said:
People, what were trenches used for? They were used for cover. Now, what's often considered a fun part of gameplay? That's right, a good cover system.

They could change the rules of war a little bit. Just like how shotguns in games only shoot five centimeters and people can absorb bullets the war would become balanced. They could avoid trench warfare all together and give everyone the ability to absorb a couple of bullets before keeling over.
No Man's Land is a long walk.
 

GodsOneMistake

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WW1 was fought in trenches, that these men happen to live in for days, that doesn't sound like that much fun. YAY Dysentery
 

dontworryaboutit

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BudZer said:
dontworryaboutit said:
BudZer said:
People, what were trenches used for? They were used for cover. Now, what's often considered a fun part of gameplay? That's right, a good cover system.

They could change the rules of war a little bit. Just like how shotguns in games only shoot five centimeters and people can absorb bullets the war would become balanced. They could avoid trench warfare all together and give everyone the ability to absorb a couple of bullets before keeling over.
No Man's Land is a long walk.
And that could be made to be the gaming equivalent of 30 feet to make gameplay more interesting. We get too caught up in realism to realize how to make a good game.
There's still the aspect where you're running at machine guns armed with a bolt action rifle.
 

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Danny Ocean said:
The Madman said:
'advancing artillery' tactic where the infantry advanced behind the cover of a steadily advancing rain of explosive artillery.
Wasn't the rolling barrage in use since the invention of artillery?

It just seems like such an obvious tactic I can't imagine no-one doing until that battle.

Also, I think the lack of significant American actions in WWI would deter the American customers.
Now that's just stupid. Do you think playing as an american has put down any other country playing any WW2 games?
 

Red Right Hand

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1 simple reason, The Americans were hardly involved. Think about it, a massive majority of war games made based on actual conflicts pretty much involve the Americans for the majority of the game. I'm not knocking the Americans i'm just saying they do love to 'toot there own horns', for lack of a better phrase.
 

Rigs83

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This is a poem about The Great War
Wilfred Owen (1893-1918)
"Dulce et Decorum Est "

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys! -- An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime . . .
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under I green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues, --
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
The Latin phrase basically translates to "It is glorious to die for ones country"
To see more go to:
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1914warpoets.html
 

SimuLord

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The only Great War games that have ever worked have been grand strategy games (most notably the 1914 mod for the original Hearts of Iron and the 1914 campaign in Victoria). When trench warfare is abstracted and the player can focus on production and logistics you get a game that works very well (though admittedly is not for everyone.)

Not that trench warfare is a complete nonstarter---defending a fortified position in Empire: Total War is quite enjoyable, albeit in the "I enjoy watching the dumb AI march its armies to their death rather than getting starved out of their cities" kind of way.
 

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thebestaround21 said:
the reason i think is that the remaining world war one survivors are all extremely old and possibly dead i remember only a few years ago EIGHT were left and two were in Canada so it would be hard to get a good account of the battles of world war one. i agree that their should be a few maybe as DLC but a full game would be hard to pull off.
As far as I know there is only 1 surviving veteran in the US and he is 108. Canada is anyone's guess.
 

Time Travelling Toaster

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I've heard of a WWI game being in the pipeline somewhere already but I don't know how it's going now. But it would be more intresting than WWII and since there was less tanks and everything else that populates a warzone it was army vs army in the trenchs.
 

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Future Hero said:
Rather than reading your long,unspaced wall of text, i'll just say this:
WW2: Hitler
WW1: No Hitler
Wrong read your history! Hitler served in WWI. That's were some of his ideas of WWII came from. He was angry at the fact Germany lost. But at least he's not doing any bad in the war. (If that's what you mean)