Where did the Wii go wrong?

[chaser[phoenix]]

I wasn't aware the Wii went wrong.
I was mostly under the impression that the console itself went incredibly right.

It's not suited for my crowd, our crowd, but Nintendo succeeded in luring an entire new audience to the hobby, as they'd done with me (and I'm sure many other posters) with the NES, SNES or even the N64.
One way or another I can't really decide if this is a good thing but then gaming had started to die with me when FPS were the big 'genre of choice'.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

Buy Madworld? Or No More Heroes?

And Wii didnt go wrong.

Madworld looks good, but I hate those comic type games like 13. But can it compete to the likes of Killzone 2 or Gears? According to Play,
this ---> http://www.play.com/Games/Wii/4-/9236834/101-In-1-Party-Megamix-Wii/Product.html is what we have to look forward to.

Friend it's like you want to be flamed. So you ignored any good game that is coming out in the next 6 months, and are taking a review from play.com to be absolute truth? I could go on there and write a customer review stating that your final fantasy game (no clue which one by the way, care to let us know?) is the best thing since internet porn.

And what was the problem with No More Heroes by the way?

I haven't played No More Heroes so I am in no position to say anything bad about that. Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Echoes of Time is the FF game is the one in question, if you remember Crystal Chronicles was originally out for the handhelds. Why is it though that the Wii gets Crystal Chronicles and the PS3 and Xbox get FF13? We get Resident Evil remakes and alternate versions and they get Resi 5. We get party games and movie ports,whereas they get s games by developers such as Bethesda and Valve and whatnot.

That mainly boils down to the consumer. They consider mature and main string titles to be a 'risk' and if we don't buy enough of them, then they wouldn't bother doing it again for a while (Zack and Wiki, for example).

Also, the title you have been waiting a long time for should be FFCC: The crystal Bearers, not Echoes of Time. Yes I do remember CC out for the handhelds, by the way. And quite frankly, I don't blame them for not porting FF13 to the Wii, it would probably take up too many discs.

As for remakes and alternate versions, we have had one remake and one alternate version. RE 5 could be easily ported, and who knows they may well do it later. Dead Rising, however, is a travesty of an effort on a game, so I blame Capcom for that.

As for you party games and movie ports comment, every console get's movie ports. All of them. Party games yes there are many of them, but you appear to be refusing to look at any of the Wii titles that aren't party games, for example are any of these party games?:

Tenchu: Stealth Assassins
The Conduit
Murumasa: The Demon Blade
Kizuna
Winter
Cursed Mountain
Monster Hunter 3 (which was moved from the PS3 to the Wii, care to explain why?)
Tales of Graces

I can tell you now, that they aren't. If I were to compare the Wii to anything, it would be the PS2. Allowed itself to be host to much crap, but has a vast amount of solid titles over the span of it's life.

I will take your word (and everyone elses) and try No More Heroes, but If the PS1 Had a 4 disc version of FF13 why not the Wii? I don't mind paying the extra money if they can churn out a good game. Monster Hunter 3 was not released on the PS3 "due to high development cost of titles for PS3" according to Capcom. If they had a balance between casual and hardcore gaming then it would be better. But to see all these party games being made for casual gamers (which I can't understand since casual gamers only buy the occasional game) is being a bit wasteful. Galaxy didn't even use the motion controller much apart from the occasional wiggle and Smash Bros. Brawl didn't use it at all.You are right about The Crystal Bearers though, that game was due for release early 2008 and I hope they don't screw it up.

I think the difference between then and now is that FF13 would require porting, and porting to a whole different system requires a whole different team, and sometimes these developers are lazy or they don't consider it to be financially viable. FF7 was 4 discs yes, but it was the only console it was on, so they could go crazy.

Yes, that is correct about the development cost of the PS3 being too high for Monster Hunter 3, and I have been looking forward to it for some time, as I was a fan of Phantasy Star Online when the servers went free, and this looks like it would be better than PSO.

Also while good motion control is encouraged, if it has no place in the games, don't force it (at least this is what I think). Look at Prince of Persia for example.

I believe that Nintendo themselves cater to the core audience every now and then, but are leaving it up to the third party developers this generation, something that the third parties are 'ummm' ing and 'ahh' ing about because they are unsure whether it is a good idea to do so. But games like RE4 and Call of Duty: WaW have sold past the million mark, and should be an indication that it is a good idea to do so. I also think The Conduit will determine whether or not we see more mature or high calibre titles on the Wii.

Either way, I think that time needs to be given for the third party developers to get their act together and be fully on board. And with that, the balance will be made soon enough.

And on a side note, when you look at the PS2, everyone thinks about the Bloody Roars, the Zone of the Enders, and the Final Fantasies. But when you break it down the casual outweighed the quality titles. But for some reason people shun this fact, and then bash the wii, something I don't understand at all.

Oh, and P.S. for anyone who says the Wii is a casual gamer's console, be serious now. The Wii is a console for everyone, be it core gamers, or otherwise. Why would they create motion plus and SD storage solutions for gamers who play games once every other week?

Answer: They wouldn't.

(Shit, I wrote quite a bit didn't I?)

 

[wrussell1982]

The Wii is still a decent system. You just have to dig through mounds and mounds of shovelware to find the good games. Nintendo needs to tighten up restrictions on 3rd party devs so we don't see all those 100 crap games each month and 4 good games.

 

[MailToad]

It didn't.

Next.

 

[SnowCold]

The wii didn't go wrong, it went right, all the big companys really care about is our money (and you can't blame them), and these games give them more of it.

 

[Woundingisfun]

20 quid says if I did a similar thread like this, I would get done for trolling.

Teh PS3 came around and kicked it's ass.
I was really dissapointed when I tried it out for the first time. The motion-controller was crappy and so were the graphics. PS3 FTW!

Teh PS3 didn't come and kick anyone's ass. The PS3 came and shot itself in the foot and started haemorraging money on every console sold.

What's next? You going to tell me that the Jaguar kicked everyone's ass?

The PS3 is still kicking ass in the gameworld. It is in my opinion, except for the computer, the best fucking console on the marked today. The reason the Wii sold better then the ps3 is that Sony released it way too early with next to no games avalable.

Discuss the Jag with someone who have lived longer then me.

 

[hannahdonno]

If you haven't hit puberty yet, then the Wii is still awesome.

 

[Sevre]

So we can all agree that the 3rd party devs are bringing down the quality of the Wiis titles? If we could get more high quality games for the Wii I think it would satisfy every gamer. Because how many Mario Party games do you really need?

 

[konkwastaken]

twilight princess? ok it was...average but i don't think anyone who considers themselves a serious gamer would own only a Wii. Sure a lot of people buy them just for the novelty and the fact that they are a lot cheaper than the other 2 consoles but i think Nintendo is really looking at the younger casual audience than the older serious alternative.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

20 quid says if I did a similar thread like this, I would get done for trolling.

Teh PS3 came around and kicked it's ass.
I was really dissapointed when I tried it out for the first time. The motion-controller was crappy and so were the graphics. PS3 FTW!

Teh PS3 didn't come and kick anyone's ass. The PS3 came and shot itself in the foot and started haemorraging money on every console sold.

What's next? You going to tell me that the Jaguar kicked everyone's ass?

The PS3 is still kicking ass in the gameworld. It is in my opinion, except for the computer, the best fucking console on the marked today. The reason the Wii sold better then the ps3 is that Sony released it way too early with next to no games avalable.

Discuss the Jag with someone who have lived longer then me.

I'm glad it is in your opinion. It's the most powerful console on the Market Today, but to me in comparison to the 360, which has more exclusives, the PS3 isn't living up to it's potential at all. For all the graphical prowess they are claiming (which barely enhances the games at all) we have hardly seen anything that couldn't be done on the 360.

Plus The PS3 was released a week before the Wii, and the Wii did the exact same thing, only it had a few more games.

I thought the Jag would be a little out of your range. How about the Dreamcast?

P.S. While I am planning to get a PS3 later this year or early next, I disagree that it is kicking the Wii's ass. It just has games that look prettier.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

So we can all agree that the 3rd party devs are bringing down the quality of the Wiis titles? If we could get more high quality games for the Wii I think it would satisfy every gamer. Because how many Mario Party games do you really need?

8. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_party#Sequels

But bear in mind that is across practically all of their consoles. I never really paid the series any mind though.

 

[PhoenixFlame]

The Wii hasn't gone wrong--the Wii was never designed for the hardcore gamers; it was designed for casual gamers and for people who haven't really gamed before and aren't into the kind of games on the PS3 or Xbox. So in that respect, the Wii has done exactly what Nintendo set out to do with it, and Nintendo is laughing all the way to the bank while hardcore gamers cry about how the Wii sucks.

That pretty much sums up my point. Unfortunately, despite what people in this thread and all over the place in the "traditional" gamer crowd can say to call it something that "went wrong" or was a failure, from a purely business perspective and for the goals it set out to do, the Wii is more right than it could ever be. As arrogant and smug as people like Reggie from Nintendo sound, they have a reason to be.

Nintendo got trounced in the last console generation from this standpoint, and so set out in a different direction in order to create a new business model and gain more gamers through gateway games and simplistic, unique gameplay. They are wildly successful and many people you wouldn't normally expect to play games, now do so.

That being said, I question how long Nintendo can be smug about their early victories. The Wii has made itself into many peoples' homes, but the combination of:

A)Traditional gamers who are disillusioned with being abandoned for a more profitable demographic
B)Said demographic, the casual gamer, being, well, casual and not playing their Wii all the time

...makes me wonder about the Wii's long term viability. To many people, the Wii is now nothing more than an appliance, a device you show off to friends when they come visit like a new coffee maker or a microwave. But the gateway games can only go so far with people. Miyamoto's disturbing insistence on catering to the gamer who frankly won't play the games they put out that often might come back to bite them in the ass, considering the gamers that got them to that point are increasingly wary of buying any Wii titles.

 

[Renikor]

Everywhere

 

[cathou]

i dont think the Wii went wrong. If gaming was only about how great graphics looks, yeah i guess it would have failed. But since when great graphics make great games ? I still play stuff i was playing 20 years ago, because they are fun. Sure, lots and lots of Wii games are crap, but i have great time with my wii anyway. And if i feel the need to play games with better graphics, i switch to the 360 or my PC.

Point is, Wii is doing great in the kind of game it want to attract, and with the kind of gamer it want to play with.

 

[manicfoot]

I'm a traditional 'hardcore' gamer and I own 30 games for Wii. If you can't find good games yourself go on some forums and ask for advice. I'd reccomend the following:

Metroid Prime 3 - its a matter of taste. If you found the other prime games boring this won't change your mind. It has an interesting story, good puzzles and gorgeous artistic graphics backed up with awesome cinematic moments.

Godfather: Blackhand Edition - uses motion controls really well. You can smash up stores, punch people in the face, push people in furnaces and even 'throw' people off balconies and listen to them scream desperately as they fall to their death and land on a parked car...

Both Trauma Centre games: Some of the motion controls don't work properly, but apart from that these games are awesome. Playing co-op with a friend on the second one is insanely fun and addictive.

World of Goo - If you've never heard of it, this is a Wiiware game and is one of the most refreshingly brilliant games I've played in a very long time. Please buy it and find out for yourself

Okami - universally praised as the best Zelda-style game that isn't Zelda. The experience is only enchanced with Wii. No more awkward dual analog for the paint brush. Simply paint on the screen using the pointer. Awesome game. Very long as well.

Madworld - awesomely stylised action game featuring the very talented people who worked on RE4 and Okami. You can shove people arse-first onto a spike and shove a sign post through their head. Also - MAN DARTS. The story is actually very solid too suprsingly and the game is very funny.

 

[Zeraki]

Is it the 'in' thing to hate the Wii now? This is the fourth thread like this I've seen in a week. There are a few good games on the Wii, which others before me have already listed. Lets not forget the best feature of the system, the Virtual Console. I can't see how it is possible to hate a system that has the collection of games it does on the Virtual Console.

 

[JediMB]

The fact that it is a gimmick using horribly dated tech is probably where it went wrong. To make the most of it all you can do is make millions of rhythem games.
Sadly, it hasn't really gone wrong. It's sold 50 million and doesn't seem to be significantly slowing down. However, Nintendo have shot themselves in the foot for their next console, as the audience they have this time around will not buy another console as they are happy with just one. Plus, no bluray and with net speeds not being up to scratch, downloading games doesn't seem realistic. They may have won the battle, but not the war.

"Hey, did you hear about that new Wii2 Sports they're showing on the telly? It has all the old games plus soccer, football and ~insert sports event people go crazy over here~! It's for the Wii2, so I have to get one!"

 

[MrGFunk]

20 quid says if I did a similar thread like this, I would get done for trolling.

Teh PS3 came around and kicked it's ass.
I was really dissapointed when I tried it out for the first time. The motion-controller was crappy and so were the graphics. PS3 FTW!

Teh PS3 didn't come and kick anyone's ass. The PS3 came and shot itself in the foot and started haemorraging money on every console sold.

What's next? You going to tell me that the Jaguar kicked everyone's ass?

Ouch, at least compare the PS3 to the 3DO - It's trying to push boundaries and it's seen as expensive.
The Jaguar was horrible. One look at the controller and I knew I wasn't going to pester my mum for one of those.

 

[Hazy]

With games like House of the Dead: Overkill and Mad World, I'm still playing my Wii. I don't think it's gone wrong... but WiiMusic certainly didn't help it.