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delanofilms said:
Why do you have long hair?
My hair's a little over 2 feet long and I get it constantly cause I'm a dude.
I hate that, everyone asks me why I have long hair and I usually respond why not? or because I fucking want to...
and than they pause for a second and say you should cut it...
 

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ALuckyChance said:
Nieroshai said:
Boyninja616 said:
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Boyninja616 said:
We don't have morals. We have something better.

Common Sense.
Logic.
The ability to think freely.
I have Common Sense, Logic, and the Ability to think Freely regardless of my Religious Upbringing (I am a Catholic, though most people here would swear I am a "Christian Deist"). Why? Because I don't think of god as some stiff prick who'll burn your face off if you look at him. To me, God is the most caring person in the universe, and is like "As long as your good out does your bad, you get into my kingdom", and he just laughs at anyone who makes fun of him and says "Yeah, that's funny".
1. Do you go to Church?
2. Do you pray before meals?
3. Do you hate homosexuals?
4. Do you hate abortion?
5. Do you hate contraception?
6. Do you use God as an excuse for anything?
7. Do you quote the Bible where it isn't relevant?
8. Are you opposed to sex before marriage?

If you answered yes to 4 or less of them, then you are of tolerable faith. I abhor the restrictions religion puts on people. As if the restrictions by governments and laws weren't enough. I'll take all the personal freedom I can get, thank you very much.
Nice generalization. Thanks for insulting a very large chunk of the world's population. I'm certain you're only insulting Christians, because people love to insult "religion" and yet defend Buddhism and Islam and Scientology.
1. Do I go to church? Yes. What's it to you?
2. Once again, what's it to you? Does it hurt you if I choose to pray?
3. I believe homosexuality is immoral, but I do not hate homosexuals. Or liars. Or smug bastards.
4. I can hate abortion if I want because I have a different view of the value of human life than you do.
5. I don't hate contraception because it helps there be less abortion, abandoned babies, and families that can't handle their kids. And nowhere in the bible does it say sex has to make kids.
6. I do not use God as an excuse. He gave a mind of my own, and I use it under my own will as does everyone else. It's precisely because of free will that the world is screwed up, but it's better than slavery.
7. I don't quote the Bible at all unless I'm discussing the Bible itself with a fellow Christian.
8. I'm not opposed to sex before marriage. I do, however, support mating for life, out of a belief that that's the way we're made, and hope those who choose that path will make that contract binding. I personally believe that promiscuity is wrong, but that opinion need not harm you.


EDIT: MANY but not all forms of ORGANIZED religions put restrictions on people to control them. Often these rules aren't even in their holy texts.
EDITEDIT: "If you answered yes to 4 or less of them"
OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Misread you there. Thats what you meant. Thats ok then. Sorry for the wall o' text.
Quick question, and I really don't want to start a big argument on this, but why do you think homosexuality is immoral? As a homosexual myself, I find myself intrigued.

Also:

1: No. I'm thirteen, and I don't think I've ever been to a church since I was a baby.
2: No, as I'm a mild atheist - by that, I mean I fall a bit into the 'who cares' category.
3: No, as I am one.
4: Only if someone aborts a child while still being able to support it.
5: Not really.
6: No.
7: No.
8; No, but you better not have any one-night stands, as it's incredibly mean and animalistic.
It's a tradition thing. Does not in any form mean any genuine Christian who follows the Bible hates you, but that homosexuality is the equivalent of lying, stealing, etc. in the vein that our god says "do not do this." If he doesn't exist, then we're wrong. If he does, then whatever because immorality is for Him to judge, and us to accept that humans in general are flawed of their own doing. All of us.
 

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Boyninja616 said:
UBERfionn said:
Boyninja616 said:
4. A foetus is not an independent life-form. It cannot survive without the mother, therefore it is dependent. The person it is dependent on should decide what to do with it.


I couldn't give a flying f%@* if I insult Christianity. What are they going to do? Murder is a sin, is it not?
A child is dependent on the mother. Does that mean we can kill babies?
I worded it slightly wrong. A born child is an independent form of life. It is not part of anything or anyone else. A foetus is, and the person it is dependent on should be given the choice about whether to keep it or not. It's all about personal freedoms, especially for victims of rape.
So no baby killing then? pity.

But anyway, rape aside, abortion seems a bit extreme. What about the babies life? What about his choice?
 

DeepComet5581

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Nieroshai said:
Boyninja616 said:
Nieroshai said:
Boyninja616 said:
Mr.Mattress said:
Boyninja616 said:
We don't have morals. We have something better.

Common Sense.
Logic.
The ability to think freely.
I have Common Sense, Logic, and the Ability to think Freely regardless of my Religious Upbringing (I am a Catholic, though most people here would swear I am a "Christian Deist"). Why? Because I don't think of god as some stiff prick who'll burn your face off if you look at him. To me, God is the most caring person in the universe, and is like "As long as your good out does your bad, you get into my kingdom", and he just laughs at anyone who makes fun of him and says "Yeah, that's funny".
1. Do you go to Church?
2. Do you pray before meals?
3. Do you hate homosexuals?
4. Do you hate abortion?
5. Do you hate contraception?
6. Do you use God as an excuse for anything?
7. Do you quote the Bible where it isn't relevant?
8. Are you opposed to sex before marriage?

If you answered yes to 4 or less of them, then you are of tolerable faith. I abhor the restrictions religion puts on people. As if the restrictions by governments and laws weren't enough. I'll take all the personal freedom I can get, thank you very much.
Nice generalization. Thanks for insulting a very large chunk of the world's population. I'm certain you're only insulting Christians, because people love to insult "religion" and yet defend Buddhism and Islam and Scientology.
1. Do I go to church? Yes. What's it to you?
2. Once again, what's it to you? Does it hurt you if I choose to pray?
3. I believe homosexuality is immoral, but I do not hate homosexuals. Or liars. Or smug bastards.
4. I can hate abortion if I want because I have a different view of the value of human life than you do.
5. I don't hate contraception because it helps there be less abortion, abandoned babies, and families that can't handle their kids. And nowhere in the bible does it say sex has to make kids.
6. I do not use God as an excuse. He gave a mind of my own, and I use it under my own will as does everyone else. It's precisely because of free will that the world is screwed up, but it's better than slavery.
7. I don't quote the Bible at all unless I'm discussing the Bible itself with a fellow Christian.
8. I'm not opposed to sex before marriage. I do, however, support mating for life, out of a belief that that's the way we're made, and hope those who choose that path will make that contract binding. I personally believe that promiscuity is wrong, but that opinion need not harm you.


EDIT: MANY but not all forms of ORGANIZED religions put restrictions on people to control them. Often these rules aren't even in their holy texts.
I will never defend any religion. ESPECIALLY Buddhism, considering how much that restricts some people. I focused on Christianity in particular because the person I was quoting was Christian. I will do the same for ANY religion.

1. Fine. Nothing wrong with that.
2. Again, nothing wrong with it.
3. How is it immoral? Most religious texts mention condemn it ONCE, but they then condemn heterosexuality dozens of times.
4. A foetus is not an independent life-form. It cannot survive without the mother, therefore it is dependent. The person it is dependent on should decide what to do with it.
5. The Pope (Who is this 'bridge' between Heaven and Earth) condemns contraception (But mostly condoms), and he is the representative of Christianity.
6. Good, but there are people who don't think freely, who just use God as an excuse whenever they see something they don't understand, and condemn other theories.
7. Good.
8. Nothing wrong with that. It's the promotion of abstinence I hate. It's just one more rule for young, horny teenagers to break.

I couldn't give a flying f%@* if I insult Christianity. What are they going to do? Murder is a sin, is it not?
3. It's almost universally considered worthy of death in most religious texts although genuine Christians believe they have no right to punish or therefore judge.
You are entirely dependent on many things. Being hooked to a dialysis machine makes me a dependent so it's ok to kill me if i was without it? how about air? Water? You can't live without them. Your kids are fully dependent on you until their teens, they would most likely die if abandoned. Is it ok to kill them?
5. The Pope is the leader of the last remaining rremnants of the Holy Roman Empire aka the Vatican, which is CHRISTIAN, not CHRISTIANITY. No Protestant believes he's really a representative of God. You don't ELECT prophets.
6. All beliefs have bigots, even atheism. Like the belief that I'm stupid for being religious. Your disdain for all religion, as opposed to just not giving a damn, shows you are in this group.

Your disdain for religion and only caring to know people who are barely religious shows how intolerant you are. You don't care, as you say, who you insult. But what if they were to insult you? Are you firm enough in your beliefs? Do you want your own beliefs to be tolerated? Then man up and show the respect you want from others.
But my own beliefs AREN'T tolerated. There are some Christians who have killed atheists claiming to be doing "The work of God". As a result, why should I be tolerant of intolerance? People have insulted me and my beliefs many times (Mostly because I live in an area with a lot of elderly church-goers). I have always defended myself with the points I have made and have never once thought that it was a bad decision.

3. Exactly. You are not the one to judge or punish people for their lifestyles. Apparently, God is. I don't see many homosexuals dying by the hand of God, but by those who follow Him.
4. Refer to my earlier post.
5. Fine. He is the representative of the Roman Catholic Church. It is the worse half, to be honest, as they are much more hypocritical. Are you Catholic or Protestant?
6. I never, ever mentioned the word stupid, at any point.
 

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willsham45 said:
Carrots grow in the ground? Asked by the oblivious city dweller being shocked by nature.

When someone is like that the thought is where did they think they came from...God knows what they would be like if the discovered what meat actually was or what eggs came out of.
Apparently most Londeners when asked where does food come from answered 'the fridge'
hazabaza1 said:
"Is Indian a religion?"
Asked by a 14 year old. Fuck, my generation has little to no hope, does it?
I agree, I hate my generation.
 

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UBERfionn said:
Boyninja616 said:
UBERfionn said:
Boyninja616 said:
4. A foetus is not an independent life-form. It cannot survive without the mother, therefore it is dependent. The person it is dependent on should decide what to do with it.


I couldn't give a flying f%@* if I insult Christianity. What are they going to do? Murder is a sin, is it not?
A child is dependent on the mother. Does that mean we can kill babies?
I worded it slightly wrong. A born child is an independent form of life. It is not part of anything or anyone else. A foetus is, and the person it is dependent on should be given the choice about whether to keep it or not. It's all about personal freedoms, especially for victims of rape.
So no baby killing then? pity.

But anyway, rape aside, abortion seems a bit extreme. What about the babies life? What about his choice?
One could argue that as the foetus is not self-aware, it doesn't have the capacity to make choices. Also, it is the mother who must endure childbirth and then support the child, so it should fall to her.
 

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Boyninja616 said:
UBERfionn said:
Boyninja616 said:
UBERfionn said:
Boyninja616 said:
4. A foetus is not an independent life-form. It cannot survive without the mother, therefore it is dependent. The person it is dependent on should decide what to do with it.


I couldn't give a flying f%@* if I insult Christianity. What are they going to do? Murder is a sin, is it not?
A child is dependent on the mother. Does that mean we can kill babies?
I worded it slightly wrong. A born child is an independent form of life. It is not part of anything or anyone else. A foetus is, and the person it is dependent on should be given the choice about whether to keep it or not. It's all about personal freedoms, especially for victims of rape.
So no baby killing then? pity.

But anyway, rape aside, abortion seems a bit extreme. What about the babies life? What about his choice?
One could argue that as the foetus is not self-aware, it doesn't have the capacity to make choices. Also, it is the mother who must endure childbirth and then support the child, so it should fall to her.
So when does it become self aware? Does it suddenly just become self aware?
Nothing i can say about the childbirth but there is always adoption.
 

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DanielDeFig said:
When i tell ppl i have lived in countries in Africa (Zambia, Kenya), i can sometimes get this question:

"So...Do you speak African?" (Sometimes they will ask if i speak Kenyan or Zambian, which is equally stupid but slightly more forgivable)
That post reminds me of something that happened to a friend of mine. She lived in Morocco for a while, but she lives in Canada again now. Some girl went up to her and said "If you're from Africa, how come you're white?"
 

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UBERfionn said:
Boyninja616 said:
UBERfionn said:
Boyninja616 said:
UBERfionn said:
Boyninja616 said:
4. A foetus is not an independent life-form. It cannot survive without the mother, therefore it is dependent. The person it is dependent on should decide what to do with it.


I couldn't give a flying f%@* if I insult Christianity. What are they going to do? Murder is a sin, is it not?
A child is dependent on the mother. Does that mean we can kill babies?
I worded it slightly wrong. A born child is an independent form of life. It is not part of anything or anyone else. A foetus is, and the person it is dependent on should be given the choice about whether to keep it or not. It's all about personal freedoms, especially for victims of rape.
So no baby killing then? pity.

But anyway, rape aside, abortion seems a bit extreme. What about the babies life? What about his choice?
One could argue that as the foetus is not self-aware, it doesn't have the capacity to make choices. Also, it is the mother who must endure childbirth and then support the child, so it should fall to her.
So when does it become self aware? Does it suddenly just become self aware?
Nothing i can say about the childbirth but there is always adoption.
When a child develops the ability to make an informed decision.

Example: putting the square peg through the square hole because you know the two shapes are the same.

Childbirth can put a woman out of action for up to and more than a year. That can totally screw up their lives.
 

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Nieroshai said:
It's a tradition thing. Does not in any form mean any genuine Christian who follows the Bible hates you, but that homosexuality is the equivalent of lying, stealing, etc. in the vein that our god says "do not do this." If he doesn't exist, then we're wrong. If he does, then whatever because immorality is for Him to judge, and us to accept that humans in general are flawed of their own doing. All of us.
I believe the bible only condemns sodomy, not homosexuality itself. Or at least, the passages in the bible (Leviticus 18 and 20, and Romans 1; these three are at least the most important, and the more minor passages are no different in intent) are referencing sodomy much more explicitly, and are a lot more ambiguous on the root of the 'problem' itself.

Also, your words implied that all Christians believed in homosexuality being immoral, which is - as I'm sure you know - a very false statement.
 

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Boyninja616 said:
UBERfionn said:
Boyninja616 said:
UBERfionn said:
Boyninja616 said:
UBERfionn said:
Boyninja616 said:
4. A foetus is not an independent life-form. It cannot survive without the mother, therefore it is dependent. The person it is dependent on should decide what to do with it.


I couldn't give a flying f%@* if I insult Christianity. What are they going to do? Murder is a sin, is it not?
A child is dependent on the mother. Does that mean we can kill babies?
I worded it slightly wrong. A born child is an independent form of life. It is not part of anything or anyone else. A foetus is, and the person it is dependent on should be given the choice about whether to keep it or not. It's all about personal freedoms, especially for victims of rape.
So no baby killing then? pity.

But anyway, rape aside, abortion seems a bit extreme. What about the babies life? What about his choice?
One could argue that as the foetus is not self-aware, it doesn't have the capacity to make choices. Also, it is the mother who must endure childbirth and then support the child, so it should fall to her.
So when does it become self aware? Does it suddenly just become self aware?
Nothing i can say about the childbirth but there is always adoption.
When a child develops the ability to make an informed decision.

Example: putting the square peg through the square hole because you know the two shapes are the same.
So i can kill people if they don't pass very simple tests. So for at least a few mouths after birth i can kill babies. If some one gets brain damage I can kill them. If someone is reaaalllly drunk or tired I can kill them.
 

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Clobbertron said:
DanielDeFig said:
When i tell ppl i have lived in countries in Africa (Zambia, Kenya), i can sometimes get this question:

"So...Do you speak African?" (Sometimes they will ask if i speak Kenyan or Zambian, which is equally stupid but slightly more forgivable)
That post reminds me of something that happened to a friend of mine. She lived in Morocco for a while, but she lives in Canada again now. Some girl went up to her and said "If you're from Africa, how come you're white?"

Wow...LOLZ!XD! Iv'e heard stories like that too. The best one ive heard is a (possibly untrue) Bush Story:

Bush was visiting Nigeria (i think), and during one of his opening speeches he said: "I am glad to be here in the country of Africa, in the continent of Nigeria!"
 

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UBERfionn said:
Boyninja616 said:
UBERfionn said:
Boyninja616 said:
UBERfionn said:
Boyninja616 said:
UBERfionn said:
Boyninja616 said:
4. A foetus is not an independent life-form. It cannot survive without the mother, therefore it is dependent. The person it is dependent on should decide what to do with it.


I couldn't give a flying f%@* if I insult Christianity. What are they going to do? Murder is a sin, is it not?
A child is dependent on the mother. Does that mean we can kill babies?
I worded it slightly wrong. A born child is an independent form of life. It is not part of anything or anyone else. A foetus is, and the person it is dependent on should be given the choice about whether to keep it or not. It's all about personal freedoms, especially for victims of rape.
So no baby killing then? pity.

But anyway, rape aside, abortion seems a bit extreme. What about the babies life? What about his choice?
One could argue that as the foetus is not self-aware, it doesn't have the capacity to make choices. Also, it is the mother who must endure childbirth and then support the child, so it should fall to her.
So when does it become self aware? Does it suddenly just become self aware?
Nothing i can say about the childbirth but there is always adoption.
When a child develops the ability to make an informed decision.

Example: putting the square peg through the square hole because you know the two shapes are the same.
So i can kill people if they don't pass very simple tests. So for at least a few mouths after birth i can kill babies. If some one gets brain damage I can kill them. If someone is reaaalllly drunk or tired I can kill them.
Unfortunately, thats called murder. It's illegal.

If someone is drunk they are still self-aware. They simply have no control. Tired people are also still self-aware until they fall asleep and can make simple decisions, but need to spend longer doing so.