Where do you think WW3 will start?

[Felix 'Solomon' Hultgren]

I can't see any reason for our current situation to escalate into a third world war in the near future. Sino-Russian relations are too good, Sino-American relations are non-hostile and even Russo-American relations have improved drastically with Obama and Medvedev signing the New START agreement. Russia invaded Georgia, China invaded Tibet and the US invaded both Afghanistan and Iraq without things escalating. China could probably invade Taiwan and Russia could most likely invade Belarus without too much hassle from anyone else. I don't think either of them will, but I'm sure they can. So I don't think we need to worry about a ww3 for another couple of decades.

 

[emeraldrafael]

I'm gonna guess Between china and America once America goes bankrupt. Though what China doesnt realize (and most of the world for that matter) is that China needs America far more then America needs china, so it wouldnt help either country.

LIES, china provides cheap labour for America, without it, America's financial collape would be sped up tenfold

Not really. America is perfectly capable of doing work for itself. the problem that stops (yet also helps) America is Unions and their power. They gained way back when in the 1800s once steel got huge,a nd its never really gone away. You get rid of a union, or at least make it more managble to contend with in the government, and America can get much more business back and wouldnt need China. Sure, shits going ot be expensive, but you're making a larger salary, and eventually you'll decrease the relevance of China and other foreign trade partners, shirnking the debt and making prices drop and giving more money to spend, ending in a surplus before it sinks back again to debt (which is how a free market works, constant ups and downs, cause if it was always up, something is going very wrong and that bubble is going to hurt when it pops).

China is actually more hurting itself. its bogging down the American market which has to mark up Chinese shit so American business can compete, but is hurting the national yuan (the Chinese currency), so much so that its inflation is hurting domestic market, and they're trying to raise its domestic value, which means raising trade prices (giving more incentive for America to drop cheap shitty chinese labor), meaning less trade partners cause the world still hasnt fucking righted its ship (and dont say the EU is good, cuase that doesnt count since thats a Continent as a collective whole, and individually the countries arent doing too well) and hurting China, while America continues to innovate (<url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/111002-Detroit-Man-Discovers-Recipe-For-Stronger-Lighter-Steel>what with our new steel).

 

[MasterOfHisOwnDomain]

It won't.

Our international system is too interconnected to allow for a major war between the great powers anymore. A similar state was achieved during the belle epoque (before the First World War), except there you had a paranoid Germany surrounded by powerful colonial empires who shared fluctuating alliances with each other. That isn't the case now, and it never will be. We've learnt the lessons that the previous World Wars caused... finally, and after only 60,000,000 men, women and children brutally killed.

 

[fragmaster09]

I'm gonna guess Between china and America once America goes bankrupt. Though what China doesnt realize (and most of the world for that matter) is that China needs America far more then America needs china, so it wouldnt help either country.

LIES, china provides cheap labour for America, without it, America's financial collape would be sped up tenfold

Not really. America is perfectly capable of doing work for itself. the problem that stops (yet also helps) America is Unions and their power. They gained way back when in the 1800s once steel got huge,a nd its never really gone away. You get rid of a union, or at least make it more managble to contend with in the government, and America can get much more business back and wouldnt need China. Sure, shits going ot be expensive, but you're making a larger salary, and eventually you'll decrease the relevance of China and other foreign trade partners, shirnking the debt and making prices drop and giving more money to spend, ending in a surplus before it sinks back again to debt (which is how a free market works, constant ups and downs, cause if it was always up, something is going very wrong and that bubble is going to hurt when it pops).

China is actually more hurting itself. its bogging down the American market which has to mark up Chinese shit so American business can compete, but is hurting the national yuan (the Chinese currency), so much so that its inflation is hurting domestic market, and they're trying to raise its domestic value, which means raising trade prices (giving more incentive for America to drop cheap shitty chinese labor), meaning less trade partners cause the world still hasnt fucking righted its ship (and dont say the EU is good, cuase that doesnt count since thats a Continent as a collective whole, and individually the countries arent doing too well) and hurting China, while America continues to innovate (<url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/111002-Detroit-Man-Discovers-Recipe-For-Stronger-Lighter-Steel>what with our new steel).

or: since America has grown used to living off other's work, they would be slow to embrace this 'new' idea of going back to the 1800's-style work, by the time they accepted the reform, the country would have all but collapsed, and relied on the UN to get money, increasing their debts even further

 

[fragmaster09]

It won't.

Our international system is too interconnected to allow for a major war between the great powers anymore. A similar state was achieved during the belle epoque (before the First World War), except there you had a paranoid Germany surrounded by powerful colonial empires who shared fluctuating alliances with each other. That isn't the case now, and it never will be. We've learnt the lessons that the previous World Wars caused... finally, and after only 60,000,000 men, women and children brutally killed.

germany became Austria-Hungary's only European ally, that's why they ought in WW1, they were not paranoid, if they were, the Kaiser would have allied himself with the entirety of Europe other than Austrio-Hungarian empire... and our Empire was still strong back then, in fact, it collapsed BECAUSE of the 2 World Wars.

 

[emeraldrafael]

I'm gonna guess Between china and America once America goes bankrupt. Though what China doesnt realize (and most of the world for that matter) is that China needs America far more then America needs china, so it wouldnt help either country.

LIES, china provides cheap labour for America, without it, America's financial collape would be sped up tenfold

Not really. America is perfectly capable of doing work for itself. the problem that stops (yet also helps) America is Unions and their power. They gained way back when in the 1800s once steel got huge,a nd its never really gone away. You get rid of a union, or at least make it more managble to contend with in the government, and America can get much more business back and wouldnt need China. Sure, shits going ot be expensive, but you're making a larger salary, and eventually you'll decrease the relevance of China and other foreign trade partners, shirnking the debt and making prices drop and giving more money to spend, ending in a surplus before it sinks back again to debt (which is how a free market works, constant ups and downs, cause if it was always up, something is going very wrong and that bubble is going to hurt when it pops).

China is actually more hurting itself. its bogging down the American market which has to mark up Chinese shit so American business can compete, but is hurting the national yuan (the Chinese currency), so much so that its inflation is hurting domestic market, and they're trying to raise its domestic value, which means raising trade prices (giving more incentive for America to drop cheap shitty chinese labor), meaning less trade partners cause the world still hasnt fucking righted its ship (and dont say the EU is good, cuase that doesnt count since thats a Continent as a collective whole, and individually the countries arent doing too well) and hurting China, while America continues to innovate (<url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/111002-Detroit-Man-Discovers-Recipe-For-Stronger-Lighter-Steel>what with our new steel).

or: since America has grown used to living off other's work, they would be slow to embrace this 'new' idea of going back to the 1800's-style work, by the time they accepted the reform, the country would have all but collapsed, and relied on the UN to get money, increasing their debts even further

Yeah, you mean like how a lot of countries have gotten used to living off others work, they dont need to try and grow food, cause they know it will just be given to them. Yours is circumstantial. if America is at the point where its willing to take work on its own, theres the will. The will is already here, its just other people are lazy, and business holds us back. The most sure fire way would be to have government own all business, and force the American way, but that wont happen, and just cant.

its going ot take a push, and its not going to be isntant, but America CAN do it, thats the point. America doesnt NEED China, and not as much as China NEEDS America, just like China NEEDS someone. China itself is a very... hard to sustain on its own wealth country. Ignoring the few cities like Beijing and Shanghai, China is a poor nation with little quality resources to work with.

But that second part of that is true, China is hurting itself, and if it continues, it will collapse on itself trying to keep America in its pocket, while America laughs and works its way out.

 

[Nerdstar]

a waning superpower.

world largest economy, largest military superpower, with force projection unmatched by any country that exits or has existed, enough nukes to turn out lovely little green planet into a blackened husk and good ol fashioned American know how, every civilian is armed to the teeth, you need a bit more faith in your country man.

 

[fragmaster09]

America Vs Russia, China, North Korea, Britain, Germany, France, Sweden, Switzerland... and the rest of the countries on earth...

because, if you keep poking the tiger then it WILL attack you americans eventually.

poking the tiger with war games claiming that russia invades USA, making them want to, so china joins in, then we join in, then the rest of europe, then africa, then asia, then South america, then finally Canada)

Yes, our very existence pokes the tiger. Never mind what good will missions we send the military on (saving Pakistani's from flooding, sending carriers to disaster areas). Or the billions we give to help out struggling nations, like our plan for Egypt. Besides, China and Russia won't ever invade the U.S. Despite everything, we have very good relations with each other. If shit hits the fan, you can bet the leaders will be on the phone trying to fix it before the news even hears of it

i don't mean the American Government, they mean well, of course! i mean the games industry here's a recap:

Russia invades USA(CoD4),*
Russia invades USA,(CoD6)*
Russia invades USA,(CoD BlOps)*
Korea Invades USA,(Homefront)*
evil british guy ruins country populated ENTIRELy by you, your friends and a few people from Yorkshire(Fable II/III)
INSANITY(Just Cause 2)
Post-Apocolyptic America(Caused by global nuclear war, mainly between USA, China and i think Russia)(Fallout 3/New Vegas)*(not sure about russia but definately China & USA)

and those are just the ones that i own!(Homefront Demo only though)

so, 5/7 of those are poking the tiger, 3 about russia attacking america, and america invariably winning, 1 about North Korea invading America, and america resisting and 1(technically 2) about america being the only known survivor or nuclear war....

thing is... america's game industry is poking the tigers that might turn aggressive, at least we have the sense to keep everyone British(Fable), hey, america! make us invade you! yeah, we definately won't attack you! or maybe Norway! or Holland! just someplace that is friendly towards you... but don't start on Germany, other than them you can pretty much poke ANY country from Europe(russia is more in Asia)(don't get at germany, we already have all the WW2 recreations like W@W, they are ashamed of that, let it lie)

 

[trooperpaul]

Austria-Hungary, 1914.
Seven Years war was the first one, Napoleon the second, and the Trenches the third. You don't have to be Americentric.

 

[fragmaster09]

a waning superpower.

world largest economy, largest military superpower, with force projection unmatched by any country that exits or has existed, enough nukes to turn out lovely little green planet into a blackened husk and good ol fashioned American know how, every civilian is armed to the teeth, you need a bit more faith in your country man.

actually, the SAS is a superpower by itself, it's so awesome(okay exaggeration a bit, but you have to agree that the SAS are awesome(they train other armies(including US's i think))

GO SAS!

i have faith in my COUNTRY, just not in Cameron, he means well, but he can't fix Gordon Brown's mess... but to be honest, the world is becoming interdependent, there is no superpowers anymore, the american government says that to keep up morale... and i bet, if it came to it, Britain could take out an area of land around 5x the sizeof itself, so it's quite pointless to threaten with nuclear weapons, since britain is a country of Peacekeeping...that included keeping the peace between america and others...)

 

[Nerdstar]

a waning superpower.

world largest economy, largest military superpower, with force projection unmatched by any country that exits or has existed, enough nukes to turn out lovely little green planet into a blackened husk and good ol fashioned American know how, every civilian is armed to the teeth, you need a bit more faith in your country man.

actually, the SAS is a superpower by itself, it's so awesome(okay exaggeration a bit, but you have to agree that the SAS are awesome(they train other armies(including US's i think))

GO SAS!

i have faith in my COUNTRY, just not in Cameron, he means well, but he can't fix Gordon Brown's mess... but to be honest, the world is becoming interdependent, there is no superpowers anymore, the american government says that to keep up morale... and i bet, if it came to it, Britain could take out an area of land around 5x the sizeof itself, so it's quite pointless to threaten with nuclear weapons, since britain is a country of Peacekeeping...that included keeping the peace between america and others...)

SAS doesn't count as a super power as there not a country merely a part of the military arm of a country(but yes they ere awesome just like all the other spec ops) and the do train other countries soldiers just like the U.S delta force, army rangers, air force commandos,etc,etc train other countries soldiers and vice verse there called joint training missions. countries are interconnected but not interdependent each state is sovereign with its own cultures and resources if need be(and a countries well off enough) they can go into isolation mode alhoe it will fuck up the global economy something fierce, and pretty much all U.N contrs are peacekeeping countries thats one of the main reasons why the U.N exists.

 

[Giantpanda602]

The conflicts will pick up in the Middle East while China will start demanding the US debt be repaid. The US will probably panic and attack China while attempting to stop the fighting in conflicts elsewhere.

 

[PUR3_GAM3R33]

There won't be a WWIII. The next World War will be so big, its gonna go straight to World War 5.

That's the beauty of World War 5,it's so intense,it skips over the other two.

XD

"But Peter, it doesn't work-"
"I HAVE SPOKEN!
I feel bad for misquoting it when it is in fact you who is the real Family Guy fan.

ahhh,don't worry about it

 

[Shakomaru]

Antarctica. AND WE WOULD LOSE TO A PENGUIN ARMY.

 

[Master_Fubar23]

Australia?

Yeah. We'll start WW3, hopping on our kangaroos and throwing wombats. They're heavy enough to damage tanks, you know.

I think America will. Why? No one will expect it.

Oh everyone expects it. Its karma biting the asses of people who think ," We're Safe! Who'd mess with a SUPERPOWER?!" but then we find out our government has been selling us out to corporations who've been selling out the general pubic for boat loads of cash. SOOO when the U.S eventually gets invaded and/or destroyed, politician's and other "leaders" will go somewhere safe. Personally, if WW3 starts I think it'll be in international waters and probably because of china trying to strong arm the other asian countries which has already been happening just nothing major yet.

I'd totally wanna move to japan but with the radiation I'd rather go to Madagascar. I mean come on... who'd invade Madagascar.

 

[notimeforlulz]

I'm not sure we've ever left the Cold War era. Sure the Soviet Union has been disbanded, but many conflicts that began in that time-period are still continuing on today. Off the top of my head, we've got:

- Increasing tensions between Iran and the Western powers.

- North and South Korea caught in a persisting border conflict.

- India and Pakistan caught in a nuclear arms race with each other.

- Several revolutions in the Middle-East including Egypt, Libya, and Syria.

- Rampant piracy in Somalia and other nations along the East African coast.

- The Pro-Han government in China suppressing and outright shunning other ethnic Chinese groups.

- The United States being dragged into a border war with Mexican cartels.

- Al Qaeda and the Taliban still at large.

But if I had to guess where the next big war will take us, it would probably be Iran or Pakistan. Even then, a fight with those nations would result in an armed occupation like the Iraq War instead of a heavy-casualty World War.

This is a very good post. I don't mean to inflate your ego here, but you seem to have a very good understanding of current conflicts and their origins. My hat goes off to you, sir.

Libya looks like the no. 1 candidate at the moment.

How would that be the number one candidate? Not only is the entire UN behind the action, but so is the Arab League.

Yeah... I said that before I went and read up on country stability. I thought Libya was in a much worse state than it actually is, not that it's not in a bad state at the moment.

 

[Arsen]

Iran, China, or North Korea. Hands down.

These are the only country with a vendetta that would ever willingly attempt war. Iran has the mentality, China has the manpower and capability, and the third is ridiculously batshit mental.

But I'd stake the majority of my money on a Middle Eastern conflict, possibly moving into the regions of Pakistan as well.

 

[Arsen]

It won't.

Our international system is too interconnected to allow for a major war between the great powers anymore. A similar state was achieved during the belle epoque (before the First World War), except there you had a paranoid Germany surrounded by powerful colonial empires who shared fluctuating alliances with each other. That isn't the case now, and it never will be. We've learnt the lessons that the previous World Wars caused... finally, and after only 60,000,000 men, women and children brutally killed.

This is the exact same mentality they had after "The Great War". Think about how fragile and non-existent many of these "diplomatic ties" actually are. These different countries are not for cooperation beyond their own regards, wants, and needs.

Only a fool would believe such.
Not calling you one, just saying.

 

[notimeforlulz]

Until Hitler came to power, Germany's relationship with Western Europe and America was far from "hate and distrust." They were a respected country and Stresemann even took them into the League of Nations under France's sponsorship.

Not fully, the Nazis, communists and their like were using the dismay some Germans had for the treaty of Versailles (most importantly the shame of Germany having to take responsibility for the war) to try and cause unrest and gain power. The German government did have a handle on things and were as you've said, but the extremists in Germany were slowly getting more powerful on the back of German resentment of Versailles that the extremists probably instigated the hate there of themselves.

It's one of those things to remember that the third reich wasn't this accidental accident of history, it was more that the moderates of the country mad the mistake of letting the extremists have power believing that those extremists wouldn't be the monsters they became. And it's important to remember this when you look at politics in a country. And it's a thousand times more important to remember if you are a journalist, so you can point those kind of fuckers out. The people need to know/notice when a political party is filled with irrational wackos, so that you don't give them the command of your country's military, which they then use to go charging off invading every fucking country they can find. Whether it be for lebensraum, oil, democracy, 'freedom', retaliation, security or whatever the fuck. That being said no one's ever going to be as bad as the Nazis were, but that doesn't make an irrational war they started rational.

As to that applying to the USA, I don't think there's been an incident of that occurring, ever, but every time I see a faux news report it feels like they're heading that way.

 

[icame]

Nowhere because if it did we would die >.> Governments are not THAT stupid.