Where should we draw the line in evolving gaming technology?
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Just so long as we don't give consoles sentience, we should be good. Then again...
"OH MY GOD THE XBOX 1000000 IS TRYING TO KILL US!"
"Did it just get red ring of death?"
*Awkward silence*
"I can see the headlines now: Humanity triumphs over what was scarcely a threat to begin with."
"OH MY GOD THE XBOX 1000000 IS TRYING TO KILL US!"
"Did it just get red ring of death?"
*Awkward silence*
"I can see the headlines now: Humanity triumphs over what was scarcely a threat to begin with."
But then won't people find games better than real life, and start some long, slow spiral into the Matrix? Seen the trailer for that film, Surrogates? That's what we could end up as.Zefar said:When it gets so real that it might KILL people. That's where we draw the line.
But in terms of graphics. Go as far as you want and make it even BETTER looking than real life.
Bear with me here, because this is a long one, but if you read through all of this wall of text, its very worth it.
We have to start placing limitations:
When they make bots talented enough to beat people at PvP on an mmo.
When the cost to make a game eclipses possible profit. I.E. they would have to make a game extremely expensive because it was to expensive to make.
Like if a game used Quantum thought processes.
Quantum thought processes in general are scary, imagine a computer that was designed to learn and never stop learning. Quantum logic is extremely difficult to explain. Just imagine, for a second, that every time you played CoD4, the A.I. learned from the mistakes it made, and was capable of analyzing everything you did and learning from it via the use of calculating the probability of every action you took, and what thought processes lead up to actions. Pretty much analyzing probable thought.
Here's another explanation
Imagine a forensics lab which has some apparatus to measure the speed of a bullet fired from a gun. Under carefully controlled conditions of temperature, humidity, pressure and so on the same gun is fired repeatedly and speed measurements taken. This produces some distribution of speeds.
Though we will not get exactly the same value for each individual measurement, for each cluster of measurements, we would expect the experiment to lead to the same distribution of speeds. In particular, we can expect to assign probability distributions to propositions such as {a ≤ speed ≤ b}.
This leads naturally to propose that under controlled conditions of preparation, the measurement of a classical system can be described by a probability measure on the state space. This same statistical structure is also present in quantum mechanics.
Long story short, for those of you who don't speak math: If you shoot a gun three times, no matter the outcome, the speed will Most likely be mathematically consistent. Even plainer:
If you know where the bullet was going, you could tell by the impact how fast it was getting there. It's really quite amazing.
Once computers have the kind of intelligence to consistently and accurately predict the outcomes of experiments like the one above, they will be able to apply this mechanic in every situation it's presented with. We'd have to consciously make AI less capable, otherwise games wouldn't function.
Once we work out Quantum math and autonomous Computational thought, that's when Game advancement stops. Another thing, The PS3 can perform 3 trillion (Last I heard) basic computations a second.
Most of those are just used for Graphics (And if you've ever wondered how graphics work out, they revolve around Matrix Math, which is nothing new under the sun since the 30's. The only reason we couldn't use them was because there weren't computers at all, let alone powerful enough to compute them.
~Pennyy
P.S. The other thing I thought of is where we are capable of creating something that graphically surpasses our conception of reality. I can't even begin to explain that.
We have to start placing limitations:
When they make bots talented enough to beat people at PvP on an mmo.
When the cost to make a game eclipses possible profit. I.E. they would have to make a game extremely expensive because it was to expensive to make.
Like if a game used Quantum thought processes.
Quantum thought processes in general are scary, imagine a computer that was designed to learn and never stop learning. Quantum logic is extremely difficult to explain. Just imagine, for a second, that every time you played CoD4, the A.I. learned from the mistakes it made, and was capable of analyzing everything you did and learning from it via the use of calculating the probability of every action you took, and what thought processes lead up to actions. Pretty much analyzing probable thought.
Here's another explanation
Imagine a forensics lab which has some apparatus to measure the speed of a bullet fired from a gun. Under carefully controlled conditions of temperature, humidity, pressure and so on the same gun is fired repeatedly and speed measurements taken. This produces some distribution of speeds.
Though we will not get exactly the same value for each individual measurement, for each cluster of measurements, we would expect the experiment to lead to the same distribution of speeds. In particular, we can expect to assign probability distributions to propositions such as {a ≤ speed ≤ b}.
This leads naturally to propose that under controlled conditions of preparation, the measurement of a classical system can be described by a probability measure on the state space. This same statistical structure is also present in quantum mechanics.
Long story short, for those of you who don't speak math: If you shoot a gun three times, no matter the outcome, the speed will Most likely be mathematically consistent. Even plainer:
If you know where the bullet was going, you could tell by the impact how fast it was getting there. It's really quite amazing.
Once computers have the kind of intelligence to consistently and accurately predict the outcomes of experiments like the one above, they will be able to apply this mechanic in every situation it's presented with. We'd have to consciously make AI less capable, otherwise games wouldn't function.
Once we work out Quantum math and autonomous Computational thought, that's when Game advancement stops. Another thing, The PS3 can perform 3 trillion (Last I heard) basic computations a second.
Most of those are just used for Graphics (And if you've ever wondered how graphics work out, they revolve around Matrix Math, which is nothing new under the sun since the 30's. The only reason we couldn't use them was because there weren't computers at all, let alone powerful enough to compute them.
~Pennyy
P.S. The other thing I thought of is where we are capable of creating something that graphically surpasses our conception of reality. I can't even begin to explain that.
The line will always be drawn by economics and the abillity of people to afford the new technology. That said there will always be a new innovation so the genere will never truely go stagnant, though it might very well lag well behind what COULD be done, being dependant on what is practical to market to the masses.
We can already do that with Normal Maps. I don't see why anyone would make them separate pieces though. That'd just overdo it.Arcanz said:
Then the world will have to discover space travel because then we have a whole lot of other things to do. Life as it is is pretty boring. There are fun things but nothing that would compare to be on a Virtual reality BF2 simulator game.Melon Hunter said:But then won't people find games better than real life, and start some long, slow spiral into the Matrix? Seen the trailer for that film, Surrogates? That's what we could end up as.Zefar said:When it gets so real that it might KILL people. That's where we draw the line.
But in terms of graphics. Go as far as you want and make it even BETTER looking than real life.
Sweet lord that would be awesome.
Also I think humans have a limit to too these things when it gets a little bit to much.
Why? You want to know why? I'll tell you why... because they can! (or will be able to, sooner or later)Sensenmann said:
Think about it, in games you can destroy mostly anything these days. A table smashed to splinters (Half-Life/Source engine, is just one example) and of course they will take this further by letting you destroy it even more, or make said ground consist of tiny gravel that can be spread by sliding or blowing it up. Just because they can, and they can market with it somewhat like this :
"Gray Work
not actually a game, I think)Tired of your job? Want to just break everything and everyone? In Gray Work you would be able to break everything you come across, be it an enemy or be it a chair designed to be extra comfortable on those sunny days.....smashed into said enemy!
Even the ground is destroyable, try Gray Work today!"
Well, I don't think the game engines will stop to evolve any time soon. There's always something to improve or add.