Where's all the SJWs at?

[Jenvas1306]

lawful good barbarian? but barbarians cant be lawful, thats silly talk.
even though that could be fun to play, Id take the right feats and then when I go to an Inn that has no ramp for wheelchairs Id rage and smash it all.

 

[Lieju]

Now I want to play as a lesbian dragon of colour.

DAMN YOU, FEMINISM!

All dragons are lesbians.
Trust me, I'm a certified dragon expert.

Or a lesbian.
Same thing.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

If you mean SJW gamers as in "Those whiny people who scream about pointless things and yell about how everyone is an asshole and gaming is ruined forever because the latest League of Legends Champion isn't a lesbian career transgender girl and that Tryndamere hasn't been deleted for being a macho-guy stereotype", then I'm definitely not one. And people like that happen to give me a headache.

If by SJW gamers, you mean "someone who is legitimately concerned with social issues like gender equality, the environment, and the fact that western society is basically being grabbed by the balls by the insanely rich, and who also likes videogames a lot and thinks it would be very nice to see a bit more variety in game plots and characters, but doesn't get too upset if the hero is another generic white dude", then yeah, I'm one.

See, though, the difference is in WHY the person is doing social campaigning and how they go about it.

Example 1 is someone who latches onto social issues rapidly and aggressively either because they're trolling, or desperately want to belong, or in rare cases have a VERY personal stake in the matter (Ie, rape and torture victims going on about how awful the torture scene from GTA5 is). The Example 1 people also have a tendency to see people not agreeing with them as people directly opposed to them and raise hell over it because they feel everyone is out to get them. In the case of the last type of person, it's understandable, but for the others it's just painful to listen to.

Example 2 is someone who cares about the issues and wants to see them resolved, but doesn't really worry if videogames take a little while to get there, since they don't really hurt anyone, and while variety is nice, it's not a do or die thing. They also don't tend to flaunt their position and demand people agree with them, they just come in, make a few points, try to debate the people with reasonable arguments while trying to pretend example 1 or the trolls don't exist.

Of course, there are people in between, obviously. I'd argue that Example 1 is very much in the minority and aren't all that useful or important to the causes they support.

You want to fight against patriarchy and against women's oppression? Then start by protesting your local congressperson if you're in a state that doesn't have equal pay for equal work, for starters. Whining on forums that there's too much sex appeal in video games isn't really going to fix the real problem. Start by fixing the real world, and then the videogames will follow. For God's sake, we've finally managed to make people stop fearing "the gay" enough to have Commander effing Shepard have the option to be gay, that's a step forward that only happened because Bioware said "oh, look the real world is finally starting to open up to gays! You know what, let's cater to them a little bit, since we now know we're less likely to be butchered over an open fire for doing it!"

 

[Jesterscup]

But that is besides the topic, since you seem to know a lot about this stuff, can you tell me where I can find the domains of SJWs?

yeah yeah wait a bit would you.... I can't just conjure up a dating site outta nothing, and i'm not gonna have sjwdating.com up by tonight sorry. it's ok we have cake.

 

[Thorn14]

And there it is, I disagree with you therefore I am a white angry virgin.

Please don't lie. I said that by your argument of perception, this perception could be applied to you.

Again, this is the problem. You take everything as a personal attack. If what I said is an attack on you (spoiler: it's not, it's a demonstration about how weak your argument of perception is), then you have in fact attacked me and several others personally. In fact, maybe you should learn from this. If the perception that people in your specific position are perceived as angry white virgins, maybe don't be so quick to justify your comments about SJWs by saying "but the perception exists!"

Because it goes both ways, friend, and you apparently will take it as a personal attack if it comes your way. You don't get to have it both ways.

Fair enough, you didn't say it was me. You were right there. Sorry.

But no, the perception of both do exist. There are indeed angry white males out there and I do stand by that there are militant SJW out there. Or at the very least, the perception.

There have been people who have been for the side of feminism and social justice who have engaged in inappropriate behavior and attacked others. That is what I consider a SJW to be.

 

[Fappy]

lawful good barbarian? but barbarians cant be lawful, thats silly talk.
even though that could be fun to play, Id take the right feats and then when I go to an Inn that has no ramp for wheelchairs Id rage and smash it all.

Would you be in a masterwork wheelchair? Also, would being in a wheelchair count as mounted combat? XD

 

[IceForce]

Social Justice Warlock?
Do I have to tap my lifeforce to necro threads?

I personally was going to call myself Social Justice Dragon Rider, but I think that or SJ Dragon was taken by some user on page 2 of the Jimquisition.

I suppose I can always go for Social Justice Hydra? Or a Social Justice Pigeon? I hope nobody took that yet.

Social Justice Wyvern?

At least then the acronym stays the same.

 

[R0guy]

But that is besides the topic, since you seem to know a lot about this stuff, can you tell me where I can find the domains of SJWs?

Erm sure, off the top of my head: NeoGaf or the RockPaperShotgun forums seem to be the places to be for the other side. As a GamerGate supporter I'd recommend RPS because I actually feel that they've challenged my perspective on a few things, which is the whole point of a conversation. NeoGaf less so since it's more of a barely contained flame war turned echo chamber due to extreme moderation. Aside from those (and Twitter, but that's a stupid place to get info from anyway) there's this that might help you find what your looking for:

Hope that helps.

Ps: I'll make another post about the link you gave me.

 

[Lieju]

You want to fight against patriarchy and against women's oppression? Then start by protesting your local congressperson if you're in a state that doesn't have equal pay for equal work, for starters. Whining on forums that there's too much sex appeal in video games isn't really going to fix the real problem. Start by fixing the real world, and then the videogames will follow. For God's sake, we've finally managed to make people stop fearing "the gay" enough to have Commander effing Shepard have the option to be gay, that's a step forward that only happened because Bioware said "oh, look the real world is finally starting to open up to gays! You know what, let's cater to them a little bit, since we now know we're less likely to be butchered over an open fire for doing it!"

Or, you know, you could do both!

I mean, we ARE on a video-game forum, why would it be a surprise video-games get discussed here? Or in places where pop-culture or video-games are brought up regularly?

We could have discussions about representation and writing, and what we would like to see...

Except that the gaming community tends to be so immature and defensive that anything viewed as SJW criticism is viewed with hostility and the chances of real discussion are pretty low.

 

[Jesterscup]

Except that the gaming community tends to be so immature and defensive that anything viewed as SJW criticism is viewed with hostility and the chances of real discussion are pretty low.

But but but Anita... Hitman... they're gonna make all those butch guys with rippling muscles ( which being a straight white guy is what I want my screen to be constantly filled with ) into boring chicks with no boobies and short haircuts. And Dammit it's my god given right to watch girls playing volleyball and pretend they're lesbians, see I said lesbians, does that mean I'm a feminist? it's Censorship CENSORSHIP !!!!

omfg the nerfed the pistol... those lesbians! it's all their fault, wanting to ban fun b'cause it's sexist.. they'll be after the mountain dew next......

( Please don't take away my titties )
-------------------------------------------------
DISCLAIMER
Ok much as I'd hope this wasn't needed, I suspect it is.....

The above post was satire, the authour does not hold said views, and is in fact poking fun and making a totally different point.
if you laughed/got angry... ask why you laughed/got angry....

and yes if requested I could do an opposing one I suppose.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

You want to fight against patriarchy and against women's oppression? Then start by protesting your local congressperson if you're in a state that doesn't have equal pay for equal work, for starters. Whining on forums that there's too much sex appeal in video games isn't really going to fix the real problem. Start by fixing the real world, and then the videogames will follow. For God's sake, we've finally managed to make people stop fearing "the gay" enough to have Commander effing Shepard have the option to be gay, that's a step forward that only happened because Bioware said "oh, look the real world is finally starting to open up to gays! You know what, let's cater to them a little bit, since we now know we're less likely to be butchered over an open fire for doing it!"

Or, you know, you could do both!

I mean, we ARE on a video-game forum, why would it be a surprise video-games get discussed here? Or in places where pop-culture or video-games are brought up regularly?

We could have discussions about representation and writing, and what we would like to see...

Except that the gaming community tends to be so immature and defensive that anything viewed as SJW criticism is viewed with hostility and the chances of real discussion are pretty low.

.

Oh, don't misunderstand, I'm fine with it being debated and discussed. I'd like to see some more variety in games too.

In fact, I'd say the Escapist forums are pretty good for this kind of topic. I'm talking about people who either lash out only at games, or who don't know anything about the medium they're lashing out at, while doing so in a loud an obnoxious way.

Like, if someone says "Dude, allowing someone to have a female skin in Asscreed-France-Edidion would be nice, I don't get why they're making it sound so hard to do" that's fine, even if the person's not all that into games.

But when someone screams about how that very same thing is what's killing the industry and that all gamers are complicit in being douchebags for wanting to buy the game despite this minor controversy, then it's a problem. Especially if the criticism is coming from someone who doesn't care about games, or if that person isn't equally fierce about the actual real life issues.

It's a matter of tone, and of understanding what you're yelling at.

I don't know about sports much at all, so the farthest my opinions on those matters go is "Man, they really need to punish people who intentionally cause serious injuries in hockey" and "They really oughta all be wearing full helmets instead of half-helmets, to protect themselves better".

 

[Colour Scientist]

Because derp

Spoiler

Someone's probably gunna come and correct me but this is all I have to contribute. Don't know this topic well enough to debate it really.

The woman's sixth comment down from the top is a literal giveaway that she was taking the piss. I mean, the fact that people took her obvious troll bait is hilarious.

Don't be silly, feminists never joke.

Joking breeds fun and fun breeds misogyny.

Why do you think we hate games so much?

 

[Jenvas1306]

lawful good barbarian? but barbarians cant be lawful, thats silly talk.
even though that could be fun to play, Id take the right feats and then when I go to an Inn that has no ramp for wheelchairs Id rage and smash it all.

Would you be in a masterwork wheelchair? Also, would being in a wheelchair count as mounted combat? XD

Oh no, Id have nothing to do with wheelchairs at all, but Id still fight for the rights of people who need one, despite none of them ever asking me to. that's one of the major points.
Just wait till someone calls a drider a spider, or what happens when I go to a rollercoaster with a gnome in the party.

 

[Colour Scientist]

When did The Escapist become pro-GamerGate?

Specifically "All GG related threads/articles are pro-GG including admins, authors and general communities" of the site.

 

[Thorn14]

You want to fight against patriarchy and against women's oppression? Then start by protesting your local congressperson if you're in a state that doesn't have equal pay for equal work, for starters. Whining on forums that there's too much sex appeal in video games isn't really going to fix the real problem. Start by fixing the real world, and then the videogames will follow. For God's sake, we've finally managed to make people stop fearing "the gay" enough to have Commander effing Shepard have the option to be gay, that's a step forward that only happened because Bioware said "oh, look the real world is finally starting to open up to gays! You know what, let's cater to them a little bit, since we now know we're less likely to be butchered over an open fire for doing it!"

Or, you know, you could do both!

I mean, we ARE on a video-game forum, why would it be a surprise video-games get discussed here? Or in places where pop-culture or video-games are brought up regularly?

We could have discussions about representation and writing, and what we would like to see...

Except that the gaming community tends to be so immature and defensive that anything viewed as SJW criticism is viewed with hostility and the chances of real discussion are pretty low.

.

Oh, don't misunderstand, I'm fine with it being debated and discussed. I'd like to see some more variety in games too.

In fact, I'd say the Escapist forums are pretty good for this kind of topic. I'm talking about people who either lash out only at games, or who don't know anything about the medium they're lashing out at, while doing so in a loud an obnoxious way.

Like, if someone says "Dude, allowing someone to have a female skin in Asscreed-France-Edidion would be nice, I don't get why they're making it sound so hard to do" that's fine, even if the person's not all that into games.

But when someone screams about how that very same thing is what's killing the industry and that all gamers are complicit in being douchebags for wanting to buy the game despite this minor controversy, then it's a problem. Especially if the criticism is coming from someone who doesn't care about games, or if that person isn't equally fierce about the actual real life issues.

It's a matter of tone, and of understanding what you're yelling at.

I don't know about sports much at all, so the farthest my opinions on those matters go is "Man, they really need to punish people who intentionally cause serious injuries in hockey" and "They really oughta all be wearing full helmets instead of half-helmets, to protect themselves better".

Thank you. Now, I don't hold this opinion myself but around the circles that hate the "SJW Menace" there is a very prevalent mindset of "These people never cared about video games when we were growing up, hell they made fun of us for doing so (girls) and now they want the industry to cater to THEM?!"

Again. I don't hold that mindset (though on my angrier days I might have entertained the notion), but a lot of people hold that view.

When did The Escapist become pro-GamerGate?

Specifically "All GG related threads/articles are pro-GG including admins, authors and general communities" of the site.

Probably because Archon didn't buckle to Kuchera in banning/deleting topics because they were pro #GG and because Escapist has adjusted its journalism policy, came out in support of gamers, and has had a professional attitude over this instead of going "#GG is Sexist" like most others have.

I joined this site because of that.

There is also a very large pro #GG thread on this board, you might have seen it! Its probably the most civil place to discuss it still when the alternative is...8chan.

 

[Fappy]

When did The Escapist become pro-GamerGate?

Specifically "All GG related threads/articles are pro-GG including admins, authors and general communities" of the site.

That's what I want to know. Allowing discussion =/= mean advocacy.

 

[R0guy]

snip.

When did The Escapist become pro-GamerGate?

Specifically "All GG related threads/articles are pro-GG including admins, authors and general communities" of the site.

That's what I want to know. Allowing discussion =/= mean advocacy.

Yes, yes, hold your horses. I don't think anyone can deny that that's some pretty sweeping generalisations. But that doesn't mean it isn't accurate to an extent. It's the best "map" of this affair that I know of.

 

[Lieju]

But that is besides the topic, since you seem to know a lot about this stuff, can you tell me where I can find the domains of SJWs?

Erm sure, off the top of my head: NeoGaf or the RockPaperShotgun forums seem to be the places to be for the other side. As a GamerGate supporter I'd recommend RPS because I actually feel that they've challenged my perspective on a few things, which is the whole point of a conversation. NeoGaf less so since it's more of a barely contained flame war turned echo chamber due to extreme moderation. Aside from those (and Twitter, but that's a stupid place to get info from anyway) there's this that might help you find what your looking for:

Hope that helps.

Ps: I'll make another post about the link you gave me.

I dunno how Wikipedia is anti-gamegate?
Their article on it doesn't seem to take sides, and the talk-page has all kinds of stuff, including claims that SJWs are out there attacking male journalists, and that the article is excluding anti-gamergate views.

I'd say they at the very least try to be neutral.
Not that that's the only part I find odd about that picture, if your definition requires ALL threads, admins and contributors to be pro/against, how can you claim things like Escapist being Progamergate?

 

[Lieju]

Thank you. Now, I don't hold this opinion myself but around the circles that hate the "SJW Menace" there is a very prevalent mindset of "These people never cared about video games when we were growing up, hell they made fun of us for doing so (girls) and now they want the industry to cater to THEM?!"

So many 'anti-SJWs' are self-centered idiots, then?