Heck, all else aside, FFXIII-2 had sold 3 million copies by last July. Even if they weren't doing very well as a publisher, their 'flagging' main franchise is a blockbuster success, despite not having much acclaimSkarKrow said:
Which publisher could be next on the chopping block?
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As long as SE sells games in Japan they will never go down. They love the FNC games. Only Western people disliked FF13.Zachary Amaranth said:
They also have the other studios (Eidos, Crystal Dynamics, IO Interactive, Rocksteady) that sell well enough in America to keep 'em going. And a lot of American games get published by them in Japan, most notably the COD franchise.
Im quite surprised that so many people are saying EA will be the next one to go. Imo even though they seem to be run by lunatics who make constant terrible business decisions I think they will be able to survive as long as their monopoly on sports games exists since they make insane amounts of money from them (I believe fifa 12 was their biggest selling game last year).
I would say Sega would be the next to at least run into financial difficulties, but that is purely because the only games that i know of that they publish are the total war games and sonic. (There could be billions of games they publish that i dont know about though especially in Japan)
I would say Sega would be the next to at least run into financial difficulties, but that is purely because the only games that i know of that they publish are the total war games and sonic. (There could be billions of games they publish that i dont know about though especially in Japan)
Most of the complaining about FFXIII and it's offshoots is done by an extremely vocal minority on the internet. I enjoyed 13 and 13-2, they weren't amazing butt hey were far from bad games, I'd like a more engaging and intelligent battle system next time though.BrotherRool said:
I enjoyed 13, I thought the story was intelligent and the battle system in the last hourish became pretty fun. Apart from the insta death thing, the last boss fight was one of my more favourite gaming experiences.SkarKrow said:
I don't know if it was a good game though. There were lots of small problems with most things and the telling sort of distracted from the story. I heard that they had a really disrupted development process for FFXIII. I enjoyed it, but I think if I hadn't wanted to enjoy it I wouldn't have. But it didn't shake my faith at all that they can still make good games. There was just a lot going on for this one
Surprised no one has mentioned Warhammer Online amongst the financial woes of EA. They obviously didn't take as big a hit as they did with SWTOR but it was still a big budget MMO that failed in much the same way.
WAR>SWTOR>Warfighter. Doubt EA will go under, but I think they will significantly shrink in scope and be licking their wounds for some time.
Also people seem to be ignorant of the fact that a lot of these publishers don't solely rely on their big game releases.
SEGA for example has expanded into online gambling software and gambling machines which brings in significant revenue for them.
WAR>SWTOR>Warfighter. Doubt EA will go under, but I think they will significantly shrink in scope and be licking their wounds for some time.
Also people seem to be ignorant of the fact that a lot of these publishers don't solely rely on their big game releases.
SEGA for example has expanded into online gambling software and gambling machines which brings in significant revenue for them.
haahahahhahahahahaahaxshadowscreamx said:
Haven't you learned?
Haven't ANY OF YOU LEARNED?!
NINTENDO IS INVINCIBLE
(also, I'm pretty sure every household in Japan has like five snes', four n64's, 3 gamecubes, 2 wii's and a wii u in a pear tree.)
and if anyone thinks that nintendo SHOULD go, you're either a fool or have had 0% childhood. All they need is a slap in the face and to DO something with what they've got.
But then activision has skylanders.AstroSmash said:
As of December 2012, the Skylanders franchise sold more than $500 million in retail sales in the U.S., inclusive of accessory packs and figures. In 2012 alone, Skylanders Giants, the sequel to Skylanders Spyro's Adventure?the #1 best-selling kids' game of 2011?generated more than $195 million in U.S. sales.
As long as that Ip is going strong they do not have much to fear
I think 12 was a better experience overall, it was much more expansive and the lore was amazing. Everybody seems to loathe it though...BrotherRool said:
Except "investor ignorance" doesn't get cured overnight. This is evidenced by the fact EA's stock is yet to rebound. It's kind of crawling upward, but that doesn't scream that investors suddenly know better.Foolproof said:
Still not sure that'll save them.BrotherRool said:
I guess, but considering FFXIII-2 sold 3 million + by last July, Deus Ex:HR won lots of awards, Hitman did well, FFXI is still going and they practically get a cut of every game sold in Japan =D they've got a lot of reliable revenue streams. The only real downside is they must have sunk an incredibly amount of money into FFXIV without much pay offZachary Amaranth said:
For me the story was worse than XIII, it had a good idea but they didn't really manage to pay it off, perhaps not enough cutscenes. But the gameplay is actually really fun and addictive and I liked all the open environments. I've probably run it through a couple of times (including that one where you pick up the Zodiac spear insanely early on) whereas I think I#ve only done FFXIII 1 and a half times.SkarKrow said:
Hmm my money at the moment is on Sony. Though I don't think they will go completely. They will most likely go the route of SEGA and make games or something close to it. Though hell I have no clue. From all the news I keep hearing about Sony its not looking good for them.
Depending on how the next console sells, I believe Sony will either just go to making games or something else within gaming. Since I also heard that their other products aren't doing so hot.
Depending on how the next console sells, I believe Sony will either just go to making games or something else within gaming. Since I also heard that their other products aren't doing so hot.
Don't get your hopes up. With THQ gone everyone else can breathe a little easier.
Though the Sony mention ^ is a good one, if console manufacturers also count in this thread. Sony is very big and consoles aren't their core business. With Playstation not doing so well anymore and big pressure on the entire business, they may drop out. The vita is an outright failure (sadly) and while the PS3 did alright, it was still in the last place and the most expensive console to make to boot.
Though the Sony mention ^ is a good one, if console manufacturers also count in this thread. Sony is very big and consoles aren't their core business. With Playstation not doing so well anymore and big pressure on the entire business, they may drop out. The vita is an outright failure (sadly) and while the PS3 did alright, it was still in the last place and the most expensive console to make to boot.
Sony are a huge company. I imagine the Japanese government would feel the need to bail them out if they did get to the same point as THQ similar to how the US has bailed out some of their own large corporations in recent years. Its not really their game division which is losing the money though - most of it is down to their tv division.Outcast107 said:
What is the PS3 last in? Didn't they recently overtake the 360 in terms of number of sales?veloper said:
No they just mostly outship them. Never said they outsold them. Though really this far late in the game I don't think it really matters. If microsoft isn't shipping as many as they use to it probably due to the console coming out soon. And I think PS3 is shipping out all their new console out like crazy( How many did they "release" already? and in what colors?).Ironside said:
And I never said their gaming division was hurting them. I said they aren't doing hot period. Their gaming is their saving grace, which they need to focus on more and not their other products. They have their hands in way to many cookie jars to keep up. Plus it seem with every handheld it fails badly as well as they been in the negative for the pass...4 years was it? This year might be different but again depend on how well this console does it. Though to me, a lot of sony mess up seem like they WANT to stop making games. I also state that won't go under fully. They will just go fully gaming like SEGA.
Which another system will take it place in the following months/year.
I can't believe this many people think its so common for a major publisher to go under they are placing bets on the next one to do it. Do you realize how monumentally profound of an issue it was the THQ did at all? That was not normal for them to flare out like they did. Granted some of it was their own fault (word is, they supposedly turned down many buy-out offers prior to the end because they were holding out, possibly so they could intentionally chapter 11 to wipe out their debt, then sell to a holding company mande of the same owners). But in any case, things like that are not normal for large scale publishers. A small dev studio? Sure those things flare out a dim a dozen, relatively speaking, a big publisher though is a whole 'nother story.
Some things you need to think about is, it has no direct relevance to how well the company is perceived by gamers, or how "good" the games are. It is much, MUCH more complex than that. Also, big publishers like EA, Activision, Ubisoft, and Sega, they all have cash in the bank that EXCEEDS their total market-cap value. What that means is they have more in their savings account than they are worth, so to speak. This means two things... one, they can bleed dry for nearly a decade before they fold, and B, no one could initiate an agressive buyout unwillingly against them to eat them up unless they wanted to. These guys aren't going anywhere any time soon
On top of all of that, any normal publisher upon entering the dire situation similar to what THQ experienced, would begin to shop themselves around to someone else for a buyout. (Disney is really on the hunt for quality stuff right now, and Activision will never turn down a deal either). They would secure a buy out to an amenable agreement, and continue on... business as (relatively) usual under the new owners. Something like what we saw happen with THQ is a rare occurrence, and the result of a multitude of failing across the board I would not expect to see repeated for many years to come in this industry on the same scale.
Some things you need to think about is, it has no direct relevance to how well the company is perceived by gamers, or how "good" the games are. It is much, MUCH more complex than that. Also, big publishers like EA, Activision, Ubisoft, and Sega, they all have cash in the bank that EXCEEDS their total market-cap value. What that means is they have more in their savings account than they are worth, so to speak. This means two things... one, they can bleed dry for nearly a decade before they fold, and B, no one could initiate an agressive buyout unwillingly against them to eat them up unless they wanted to. These guys aren't going anywhere any time soon
On top of all of that, any normal publisher upon entering the dire situation similar to what THQ experienced, would begin to shop themselves around to someone else for a buyout. (Disney is really on the hunt for quality stuff right now, and Activision will never turn down a deal either). They would secure a buy out to an amenable agreement, and continue on... business as (relatively) usual under the new owners. Something like what we saw happen with THQ is a rare occurrence, and the result of a multitude of failing across the board I would not expect to see repeated for many years to come in this industry on the same scale.