WHITE GUY DEFENSE FORCE GO!

[La Kias]

I love the comic for two reasons; great satire on white people having issue with characters changing and great satire on what seems of late to be a thing about making characters black. Not necessarily a bad thing as proven by Idris Elba as Heimdall who did a fantastic job and in fact highlights white fanboy rage. However I think the race changed worked because Heimdall, whilst awesome was not a central character. It would have been like making Thor Black or in future films, Black Panther white, I don't think anyone could see that working.

On a similar note there was talk of making Johnny Storm black in the new fantastic four film. The simple question is why when, simply, he is a white male douchebag. That is the character, like the Fresh Prince is an average black 90s teen from a working class background thrust into the bel air highlife. What is with the need to change characters.

So yes, while the comic is funny, it makes some good satirical points about not one race but two. Good show gentlemen.

 

[knight steel]

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1.Thats because they don't have psychological issues that make it harder to interact socially/Don't debate topics/post in user groups which much less moderation unfortunately not all of us have that going for us and so you can't really compare us to them.

2.Those rules are nice and all but are enforced inconsistently due to mods having different temperaments/opinions were in one case a post could be made and no warning given but if another mod see's it a warning is given makes it much harder than just "follow the rules".

3.This last point completely ignores my point on how people change over time-a person who act rash/offensive when they were 19 and got 8 warning's is completely different when they are say 30 but that doesn't matter with the current system/is not factored into the equation which was my main point.

4.And the thing about really bad day's is that past lessons learned don't factor into them because your mind is too clouded to remember them and depending on your mindset/life these bad days can happen more than once every six months that doesn't make you a bad member of the site which should be shunned.

 

[Knight Templar]

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I've been here a long time, made many mistakes and these days although I post less frequently, when I do comment it's likely to be in the Religion and Politics forum, which is pretty high risk territory.

I'm not banned, I'm unlikely to be banned anytime soon.

 

[chikusho]

If you are offended by this comic, you are the problem.

I find it highly amusing that the WGDF (TM) showed up in such force in this thread.

 

[Vareoth]

Blah blah blah. I thought this comic was funny because it was a bit edgy. And if you cannot laugh at yourself... Now the rest of you can continue to ***** about a comic you found on the internet.

 

[SidheKnight]

It would have been like making Thor Black or in future films, Black Panther white, I don't think anyone could see that working.

Or making Nick Fury black? Cause we know that didn't work out for good or for awesome, right?

Nick Fury was already black (in the Ultimate Universe, which is the one that contributed the most modern takes on heroes)

 

[madwarper]

He was also already Samuel L Jackson in the Ultimate Universe. That doesn't really change the point, though. He went from white to black with no loss of awesome.

That's only because Hasselhoff was too busy trying to remember how to cheeseburger.

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Sadly, because of this, the Marvel's movies never became as popular in Germany as they could have been.

 

[La Kias]

It would have been like making Thor Black or in future films, Black Panther white, I don't think anyone could see that working.

Or making Nick Fury black? Cause we know that didn't work out for good or for awesome, right?

I didn't say that. in fact Samuel L. Jackson did the role very well but it wasn't about race here, it was the right actor for the job and Samuel L. Jackson did it beautifully. Furthermore Ultimate Nick Fury was designed to look like Samuel L. Jackson before he was given the role in the films, so there was a black iteration of the character which keeps within the canon.

This all stems down to one thing, why is the actor cast. If the actor is of a different race but great at what they do, then race shouldn't matter (there are exceptions due to origins and setting) however if an actor is being cast in a role and they perhaps are not the best actor for it, I personally would think that is more offensive to cast a token *insert choice of race here* as that character.

There should be a point when acting takes priority but also maintained with it a faithfulness to the source material. There is also a set of things we expect from the characters. Superman is white, Cyborg is black, the Doctor is Gallifreyan, etc.

 

[Lucane]

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2.Those rules are nice and all but are enforced inconsistently due to mods having different temperaments/opinions were in one case a post could be made and no warning given but if another mod see's it a warning is given makes it much harder than just "follow the rules".

3.This last point completely ignores my point on how people change over time-a person who act rash/offensive when they were 19 and got 8 warning's is completely different when they are say 30 but that doesn't matter with the current system/is not factored into the equation which was my main point.

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I just wanna talk about 2 & 3.

2. So by your logic should speeding in a car be legal because it's inconsistently enforced? either by no witnesses, no police around or you are pulled over but they let you go with a warning? Driving above the speed limit isn't legal but it's at the officer's digression. Like warning on here the simplest way to not be caught speeding is of course not to be speeding not worrying whether or not someone is going to review the information later.

3. Yes people can change but if they don't feel the punishment is severe enough to change they're behavior then what would motivate them to do so otherwise age? Then why is there a movie called grumpy old men?

 

[JimB]

Unarmed, black people that were trying to beat his head in.

In a conflict he created by stalking a teenager who had committed no crime. If the "stand your ground" law absolves George Zimmerman of any responsibility for shooting an unarmed child, then it also absolves Treyvon Martin of any wrongdoing in attacking Zimmerman...and that assumes the forensic evidence actually bore out Zimmerman's testimony about being on the ground when he fired, which, as best I recall, it doesn't.

It's amazing how a man can still be seen as guilty after he was given an innocent ruling and then saved a family from a burning truck, sacrificing his anonymity for people he hadn't met before he saved them.

Unless Florida is quite different from the states I know, courts do not rule "innocent." They rule "not guilty." There is a big difference: It doesn't say the accused didn't commit the crime, because that would be an attempt to prove a negative, but rather that the prosecution did not meet its burden of proof.

The comic's supposed to be about white stereotypes (emphasis on white and stereotypes) racially discriminating against blacks. The Zimmerman thing breaks the pattern of the comic.

I think you're confusing internet Caucasian defenders with hardcore neo-Nazis and Klansmen if you think they'd reject George Zimmerman and his tactics based on him only being half-white.

 

[Alar]

I never knew hover hands was a super power until now... my god, this changes my entire perspective!

 

[Chromatic Aberration]

I'm not even pretending to have read through this whole thing or jump into the debate here. I'll just say that satire works best if it successfully provokes and stirs up controversy. Given the thirty two pages of incessant outrage present here I think it did the job pretty well. Because of this and because I think Grey and Cory need this at this point:

WHITE GUY DEFENSE FORCE GO!

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Thanks guys! A very well done comic that exemplifies one of the most annoying stances I can usually witness when it comes to such and similar topics. It, however, also provides a rather interesting insight into the whole nature of these kinds of discussions: a group "wins" if it can successfully victimize itself - if this actually makes sense in any way does not really matter as long as people can get whatever self-gratification they draw from their group-label and any perceived threat on such.

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

I think kklawm was onto something there.

The comic doesn't upset me. It's caricature, it's typical comic foil in that respect (though it did remind me why I normally avoid Critical Miss). What's aggravating are the scores of people with the "if you don't love the comic, you're the problem" attitude. If you don't agree with these people, they caricature the shit out of you anyway (it's easier to be completely obnoxious and fight values you assume are held, rather than values expressed)... this kinda thing I fear isn't going to help any.

I totally look forward to the constant referencing of this comic to devalue any and every opinion that doesn't contribute to the snarky echo-chamber that is the escapist.

I look at what people assume about me in conversations, then I look at my actual life... Then I laugh my fucking ass off at exactly how wrong a person's assumptions can be.

 

[JimB]

Why does Omega keep doing Mighty No. 9's Beck's two-finger salute?

He's drawing attention to his fedora because he's one of those guys who mistakes a hat for an identity.

And why are people saying he's a stand-in for non-plus Atheists?

No idea.

 

[Shadowstar38]

Why does Omega keep doing Mighty No. 9's Beck's two-finger salute? And why are people saying he's a stand-in for non-plus Atheists?

Because people in R&P keep telling us to cite sources?

 

[Machine Man 1992]

My problem isn't with a position, it's with an attitude. The WGDF quite obviously represent a small, but vocal, subset of largely white males who respond to any perceived threat to their cultural dominance with hyperbole and hostility. They also tend to interpret criticism of one sub group as criticism of an entire culture. In that respect, yes, you have proved my point.

Oh no, none of that now. At no point did you start restricting yourself to 'a small, but vocal minority.' You started at 'why can't this character be black' a question which draws all sorts of question about narrative, art and artistic licence and then you just kept expanding the net. You threw a MLP plus in there, you threw the stereotypical 'fat dude' in there, you brought a little hipster in you brought a little 'hittin on the ladies bro' in there. You even brought the whole frikken Zimmerman thing in there. All your actions expanded your net, not restricted it.

Creators can make what they want, they can insult who they want. This is your prerogative as the artist.

But for god sakes. DO NOT politician this, don't 'walk it back 'honest guys I just ment to make fun of the super mega assholes really truly.

Stand up for your work or apologize for letting it get out of hand because of your other opinions but jesus don't pretend you didn't cast a pretty wide ass net.

It's an obvious parody of a certain type of behavior. If you don't engage in it, then it doesn't apply to you. If you do, well...

So because it's a parody, it gets an automatic pass?

Yeah no, it doesn't work like that.

If I made a parody of, say, gangstas and made it out that all black people talk in ebonics, carry glocks, and chug forty on the streets of Harlem, I'd be rightly roasted, regardless if I said "Well, of course not all black people act like that! If you don't engage in that behavior, then it doesn't apply to you."

The net you cast for this parody was so wide as to encapsulate the vast majority of straight white males.