Who Can Beat Alex Mercer?
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I just had a funny thought, what if you pit him against the power rangers? I imagine that wouldn't be pretty, quite a colorful mess.
OT:It seems I ought to come up with something other than a Sayen, I'll have to go with Khorne for this one, if he ever got up off his fat ass I'd say it'd be no contest, he IS the Blood God after all. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Khorne
ps: if anyone could tell me how to compact that link down into one word that would be swell
OT:It seems I ought to come up with something other than a Sayen, I'll have to go with Khorne for this one, if he ever got up off his fat ass I'd say it'd be no contest, he IS the Blood God after all. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Khorne
ps: if anyone could tell me how to compact that link down into one word that would be swell
Daniel Garner from Painkiller.
He killed Alastor. He killed Guardian. He killed Lucifer himself.
He killed Alastor. He killed Guardian. He killed Lucifer himself.
Yes, but then again Mister Rogers wound up beating him (and everyone else) only to committ suicide out of grief for the damage the battle had caused.Dr. wonderful said:
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True, Manhattan does have something resembling a heart. I'm working by the assumption that Manhattan has transcended to a state of being, following the book's conclusion, in which his big picture perspective is utterly unmoved by the events unfolding on his former home. Failing that, as I said, his interventions would not even be perceived by human senses even if he did something.ZeroMachine said:You have to remember, though, Manhattan does have a bit of humanity left in him. His outburst at the reporters, his obviously jealousy over the Silk Spectre, the fact that he kills Rorschach, the fact that I can actually debate something about a comic b... wait, scratch that last part... anyways, it's possible that, when noticing humanity being royally fucked, he goes back to save the day.A Curious Fellow said:Aye, indeed. This is what I meant by Omega Singularity, which, now that I think of it, I am not sure is a scientific term or not. It's just something I pulled out of my ass.ZeroMachine said:Goku would eventually hunt his pieces down because of the fact that he can sense energy levels even on a low scale, but it seems like every time he'd find another piece, Mercer would just spread further...A Curious Fellow said:Hmm.... interesting question.ZeroMachine said:I don't know... you make a lot of good points, but let's actually look seriously at Goku for a second.A Curious Fellow said:Oh hey, you've gone active again.ZeroMachine said:One of the fundamental laws of physics is that Goku always wins, no matter who is fighting who.
So, Goku.
EDIT: Ohshit, gotta be honest, I didn't read the OP
On topic: No one really. Even if Alex couldn't win, he wouldn't lose either. There isn't a single biological thing he can't assimilate, and if you evolve his powers to their logical extreme, he'll sooner or later be able to assimilate inorganic matter as well. Shit, the guy can shapeshift on the molecular fucking level, according to whatever he wills himself to be. So yeah, maybe he couldn't kill Wolverine or Superman or whatever, but he wouldn't have to. He'd just infect them and eventually his genetic structure and consciousness would subsume theirs.
So that's how he'd win, but here's how he can't lose:
If he can shapeshift to such a degree, then it follows that he could craft a second Alex Mercer if he so chose. It would be a simple matter of copying and building a replica of his own brain and then separating a lump of his own biomass for it to inhabit. QED: If you killed an Alex Mercer, and totally fucking erased all traces of the body, there's still another one out there. And presumably he could just duplicate himself all day.
And all this is before we even consider that Alex Mercer is a high functioning sociopath with no real understanding or care for moral philosophy.
Re-cap: Alex Mercer has the mental capacity to exist and manipulate matter on the nanoscopic scale, the physical capacity to self-clone ad infinitum, but lacks the emotional capacity for his clones to develop individually outside of a hive mind.
Mercer is the fucking Omega Singularity. The end and the summation of all things.
The guy has defeated enemies that can regenerate from single cells multiple times. He incinerates them on a cellular level. And at his most powerful in the series (let's just say Super Saiyan 3 because goodgodGTisawful) he could completely destroy an entire planet without breaking a sweat.
Even if the planet was full of Mercers, does he understand rocket science? Can he get off world?
Consider the modus operandi of a global apocalypse with Alex Mercer as the instigating pathogen: As I put forward, his powers don't have much by way of defined limits. If it has a stable molecular, or even atomic, structure, Mercer can incorporate it. Thus, if left alone, Alex Mercer could subsume Earth itself.
So now we pit Goku, his powers all put forth and described, against a planet sized shapeshifter who at this point treats self-subdivision as a natural chemical process no different from the digestion of foods. Mercer's actions and personality paint him as an individual with no qualms about running away and making self preservation an uncompromisable first priority. Confronted with Goku bent on Mercer's annihilation, I would argue that Mercer would simply fragment himself explosively, propelling bits of himself away in all directions of three dimensional space at the highest speed possible without warping his own genetic material in the process. Even Goku at his best must adhere to some law of mathematics and physics. It would be possible for a planet sized Mercer to split off into enough fragments for some of them to escape and eventually come into contact with new matter to metabolize.
I noticed that someone mentioned that the word of god had said that electricity and cold stop Mercer. I put forward that the natural development of Mercer's abilities will have, by this point, eliminated those weaknesses.
... Christ... and thus the Flood were born.
EDIT: People are also bringing up Doctor Manhattan. I think that he's the only one that'd truly stand a chance.
See, I don't think the game designers meant to do it, but the character they created is imbued with a superpower that could be cultivated to the point where he could eventually reshape all coherent matter in the universe to reflect his own image. I really don't think defeat is even a hypothetical possibility for Alex... unless he totally broke character and DIDN'T do any of the things I mentioned he would logically do.
On Doctor Manhattan....
Hey now. A character who is very pointedly NOT made of coherent matter with a stable and defined molecular structure. I think we have a contender!
Only problem is, would Doctor Manhattan consider an all-Alex-all-the-time universe to be functionally different from the universe as it is today? The end of Watchmen has Manhattan leaving humanity to pursue experiments with creating life, looking for an existence as a benevolent creator. He desires to escape his all-knowing nature by crafting a thing that may just surprise him. He has the powers of a god, and now wishes to do what any god would: find something new, even create it if he has to.
I think, in that light, Alex would have to be a credible threat to Manhattan's creations before he would bother intervening. And even then, if he saw Mercer coming, those interventions would be too subtle to perceive. If he didn't see Mercer coming, then Mercer has surprised him, removing the very need that Manhattan was satisfying by becoming a creator in the first place, in which case, what has Mercer done to provoke retaliation? Nothing, that's what. Mercer will have supplanted Manhattan's creations.
Thus, no. Manhattan would not defeat Alex, either because no one would have the capacity to actually see the situation from a meaningful perspective, or because Manhattan would not want to.
... Then again, we should probably stop this train of thought before someone creates a crossover... or worse... a fanfiction!
DUN DUN DUUUUUUN.
... Kidding, by all means, continue. I love dis shit.
ALSO: Just Googled "Omega Singularity." I think I deserve some credit for independently conceiving of a conceptual combination of the Omega Point theory of theology and the Technological Singularity postulate of applied physics.
*Basks in nerd glory*
Hot damn, that's a hell of an apocalypseA Curious Fellow said:True, Manhattan does have something resembling a heart. I'm working by the assumption that Manhattan has transcended to a state of being, following the book's conclusion, in which his big picture perspective is utterly unmoved by the events unfolding on his former home. Failing that, as I said, his interventions would not even be perceived by human senses even if he did something.ZeroMachine said:You have to remember, though, Manhattan does have a bit of humanity left in him. His outburst at the reporters, his obviously jealousy over the Silk Spectre, the fact that he kills Rorschach, the fact that I can actually debate something about a comic b... wait, scratch that last part... anyways, it's possible that, when noticing humanity being royally fucked, he goes back to save the day.A Curious Fellow said:Aye, indeed. This is what I meant by Omega Singularity, which, now that I think of it, I am not sure is a scientific term or not. It's just something I pulled out of my ass.ZeroMachine said:Goku would eventually hunt his pieces down because of the fact that he can sense energy levels even on a low scale, but it seems like every time he'd find another piece, Mercer would just spread further...A Curious Fellow said:Hmm.... interesting question.ZeroMachine said:I don't know... you make a lot of good points, but let's actually look seriously at Goku for a second.A Curious Fellow said:Oh hey, you've gone active again.ZeroMachine said:One of the fundamental laws of physics is that Goku always wins, no matter who is fighting who.
So, Goku.
EDIT: Ohshit, gotta be honest, I didn't read the OP
On topic: No one really. Even if Alex couldn't win, he wouldn't lose either. There isn't a single biological thing he can't assimilate, and if you evolve his powers to their logical extreme, he'll sooner or later be able to assimilate inorganic matter as well. Shit, the guy can shapeshift on the molecular fucking level, according to whatever he wills himself to be. So yeah, maybe he couldn't kill Wolverine or Superman or whatever, but he wouldn't have to. He'd just infect them and eventually his genetic structure and consciousness would subsume theirs.
So that's how he'd win, but here's how he can't lose:
If he can shapeshift to such a degree, then it follows that he could craft a second Alex Mercer if he so chose. It would be a simple matter of copying and building a replica of his own brain and then separating a lump of his own biomass for it to inhabit. QED: If you killed an Alex Mercer, and totally fucking erased all traces of the body, there's still another one out there. And presumably he could just duplicate himself all day.
And all this is before we even consider that Alex Mercer is a high functioning sociopath with no real understanding or care for moral philosophy.
Re-cap: Alex Mercer has the mental capacity to exist and manipulate matter on the nanoscopic scale, the physical capacity to self-clone ad infinitum, but lacks the emotional capacity for his clones to develop individually outside of a hive mind.
Mercer is the fucking Omega Singularity. The end and the summation of all things.
The guy has defeated enemies that can regenerate from single cells multiple times. He incinerates them on a cellular level. And at his most powerful in the series (let's just say Super Saiyan 3 because goodgodGTisawful) he could completely destroy an entire planet without breaking a sweat.
Even if the planet was full of Mercers, does he understand rocket science? Can he get off world?
Consider the modus operandi of a global apocalypse with Alex Mercer as the instigating pathogen: As I put forward, his powers don't have much by way of defined limits. If it has a stable molecular, or even atomic, structure, Mercer can incorporate it. Thus, if left alone, Alex Mercer could subsume Earth itself.
So now we pit Goku, his powers all put forth and described, against a planet sized shapeshifter who at this point treats self-subdivision as a natural chemical process no different from the digestion of foods. Mercer's actions and personality paint him as an individual with no qualms about running away and making self preservation an uncompromisable first priority. Confronted with Goku bent on Mercer's annihilation, I would argue that Mercer would simply fragment himself explosively, propelling bits of himself away in all directions of three dimensional space at the highest speed possible without warping his own genetic material in the process. Even Goku at his best must adhere to some law of mathematics and physics. It would be possible for a planet sized Mercer to split off into enough fragments for some of them to escape and eventually come into contact with new matter to metabolize.
I noticed that someone mentioned that the word of god had said that electricity and cold stop Mercer. I put forward that the natural development of Mercer's abilities will have, by this point, eliminated those weaknesses.
... Christ... and thus the Flood were born.
EDIT: People are also bringing up Doctor Manhattan. I think that he's the only one that'd truly stand a chance.
See, I don't think the game designers meant to do it, but the character they created is imbued with a superpower that could be cultivated to the point where he could eventually reshape all coherent matter in the universe to reflect his own image. I really don't think defeat is even a hypothetical possibility for Alex... unless he totally broke character and DIDN'T do any of the things I mentioned he would logically do.
On Doctor Manhattan....
Hey now. A character who is very pointedly NOT made of coherent matter with a stable and defined molecular structure. I think we have a contender!
Only problem is, would Doctor Manhattan consider an all-Alex-all-the-time universe to be functionally different from the universe as it is today? The end of Watchmen has Manhattan leaving humanity to pursue experiments with creating life, looking for an existence as a benevolent creator. He desires to escape his all-knowing nature by crafting a thing that may just surprise him. He has the powers of a god, and now wishes to do what any god would: find something new, even create it if he has to.
I think, in that light, Alex would have to be a credible threat to Manhattan's creations before he would bother intervening. And even then, if he saw Mercer coming, those interventions would be too subtle to perceive. If he didn't see Mercer coming, then Mercer has surprised him, removing the very need that Manhattan was satisfying by becoming a creator in the first place, in which case, what has Mercer done to provoke retaliation? Nothing, that's what. Mercer will have supplanted Manhattan's creations.
Thus, no. Manhattan would not defeat Alex, either because no one would have the capacity to actually see the situation from a meaningful perspective, or because Manhattan would not want to.
... Then again, we should probably stop this train of thought before someone creates a crossover... or worse... a fanfiction!
DUN DUN DUUUUUUN.
... Kidding, by all means, continue. I love dis shit.
ALSO: Just Googled "Omega Singularity." I think I deserve some credit for independently conceiving of a conceptual combination of the Omega Point theory of theology and the Technological Singularity postulate of applied physics.
*Basks in nerd glory*
And I feel like it even makes sense with this conversation, to a point.
Damn, dude, you just won some major nerd points.
Thank you sir.ZeroMachine said:Hot damn, that's a hell of an apocalypseA Curious Fellow said:True, Manhattan does have something resembling a heart. I'm working by the assumption that Manhattan has transcended to a state of being, following the book's conclusion, in which his big picture perspective is utterly unmoved by the events unfolding on his former home. Failing that, as I said, his interventions would not even be perceived by human senses even if he did something.ZeroMachine said:You have to remember, though, Manhattan does have a bit of humanity left in him. His outburst at the reporters, his obviously jealousy over the Silk Spectre, the fact that he kills Rorschach, the fact that I can actually debate something about a comic b... wait, scratch that last part... anyways, it's possible that, when noticing humanity being royally fucked, he goes back to save the day.A Curious Fellow said:Aye, indeed. This is what I meant by Omega Singularity, which, now that I think of it, I am not sure is a scientific term or not. It's just something I pulled out of my ass.ZeroMachine said:Goku would eventually hunt his pieces down because of the fact that he can sense energy levels even on a low scale, but it seems like every time he'd find another piece, Mercer would just spread further...A Curious Fellow said:Hmm.... interesting question.ZeroMachine said:I don't know... you make a lot of good points, but let's actually look seriously at Goku for a second.A Curious Fellow said:Oh hey, you've gone active again.ZeroMachine said:One of the fundamental laws of physics is that Goku always wins, no matter who is fighting who.
So, Goku.
EDIT: Ohshit, gotta be honest, I didn't read the OP
On topic: No one really. Even if Alex couldn't win, he wouldn't lose either. There isn't a single biological thing he can't assimilate, and if you evolve his powers to their logical extreme, he'll sooner or later be able to assimilate inorganic matter as well. Shit, the guy can shapeshift on the molecular fucking level, according to whatever he wills himself to be. So yeah, maybe he couldn't kill Wolverine or Superman or whatever, but he wouldn't have to. He'd just infect them and eventually his genetic structure and consciousness would subsume theirs.
So that's how he'd win, but here's how he can't lose:
If he can shapeshift to such a degree, then it follows that he could craft a second Alex Mercer if he so chose. It would be a simple matter of copying and building a replica of his own brain and then separating a lump of his own biomass for it to inhabit. QED: If you killed an Alex Mercer, and totally fucking erased all traces of the body, there's still another one out there. And presumably he could just duplicate himself all day.
And all this is before we even consider that Alex Mercer is a high functioning sociopath with no real understanding or care for moral philosophy.
Re-cap: Alex Mercer has the mental capacity to exist and manipulate matter on the nanoscopic scale, the physical capacity to self-clone ad infinitum, but lacks the emotional capacity for his clones to develop individually outside of a hive mind.
Mercer is the fucking Omega Singularity. The end and the summation of all things.
The guy has defeated enemies that can regenerate from single cells multiple times. He incinerates them on a cellular level. And at his most powerful in the series (let's just say Super Saiyan 3 because goodgodGTisawful) he could completely destroy an entire planet without breaking a sweat.
Even if the planet was full of Mercers, does he understand rocket science? Can he get off world?
Consider the modus operandi of a global apocalypse with Alex Mercer as the instigating pathogen: As I put forward, his powers don't have much by way of defined limits. If it has a stable molecular, or even atomic, structure, Mercer can incorporate it. Thus, if left alone, Alex Mercer could subsume Earth itself.
So now we pit Goku, his powers all put forth and described, against a planet sized shapeshifter who at this point treats self-subdivision as a natural chemical process no different from the digestion of foods. Mercer's actions and personality paint him as an individual with no qualms about running away and making self preservation an uncompromisable first priority. Confronted with Goku bent on Mercer's annihilation, I would argue that Mercer would simply fragment himself explosively, propelling bits of himself away in all directions of three dimensional space at the highest speed possible without warping his own genetic material in the process. Even Goku at his best must adhere to some law of mathematics and physics. It would be possible for a planet sized Mercer to split off into enough fragments for some of them to escape and eventually come into contact with new matter to metabolize.
I noticed that someone mentioned that the word of god had said that electricity and cold stop Mercer. I put forward that the natural development of Mercer's abilities will have, by this point, eliminated those weaknesses.
... Christ... and thus the Flood were born.
EDIT: People are also bringing up Doctor Manhattan. I think that he's the only one that'd truly stand a chance.
See, I don't think the game designers meant to do it, but the character they created is imbued with a superpower that could be cultivated to the point where he could eventually reshape all coherent matter in the universe to reflect his own image. I really don't think defeat is even a hypothetical possibility for Alex... unless he totally broke character and DIDN'T do any of the things I mentioned he would logically do.
On Doctor Manhattan....
Hey now. A character who is very pointedly NOT made of coherent matter with a stable and defined molecular structure. I think we have a contender!
Only problem is, would Doctor Manhattan consider an all-Alex-all-the-time universe to be functionally different from the universe as it is today? The end of Watchmen has Manhattan leaving humanity to pursue experiments with creating life, looking for an existence as a benevolent creator. He desires to escape his all-knowing nature by crafting a thing that may just surprise him. He has the powers of a god, and now wishes to do what any god would: find something new, even create it if he has to.
I think, in that light, Alex would have to be a credible threat to Manhattan's creations before he would bother intervening. And even then, if he saw Mercer coming, those interventions would be too subtle to perceive. If he didn't see Mercer coming, then Mercer has surprised him, removing the very need that Manhattan was satisfying by becoming a creator in the first place, in which case, what has Mercer done to provoke retaliation? Nothing, that's what. Mercer will have supplanted Manhattan's creations.
Thus, no. Manhattan would not defeat Alex, either because no one would have the capacity to actually see the situation from a meaningful perspective, or because Manhattan would not want to.
... Then again, we should probably stop this train of thought before someone creates a crossover... or worse... a fanfiction!
DUN DUN DUUUUUUN.
... Kidding, by all means, continue. I love dis shit.
ALSO: Just Googled "Omega Singularity." I think I deserve some credit for independently conceiving of a conceptual combination of the Omega Point theory of theology and the Technological Singularity postulate of applied physics.
*Basks in nerd glory*
And I feel like it even makes sense with this conversation, to a point.
Damn, dude, you just won some major nerd points.
Wow that sure was a productive use of an hour and a half the day before my final thesis is due! Can you tell college has driven me insane?
Mr T or Chuck Norris!
Choose your pick,
Either way he has no chance!
And the only reason why Mr T and Chuck Norris haven't faced off is because the shear power unleashed by their combat would destroy this universe.
Choose your pick,
Either way he has no chance!
And the only reason why Mr T and Chuck Norris haven't faced off is because the shear power unleashed by their combat would destroy this universe.
Platinum will beat him, with magic.
LoL I just downloaded the character, she is made of win and awesome.
/thread
but seriously, it is extremely difficult to genuinely exaggerate the feats he can pull off; indeed, many of the seemingly outlandish acts attributed to him are quite true. Breathe in space? Yep, he?s done it (New Genesis training satellite, long story). Fought legions of ninjas with ease? He calls it Tuesday. Shot the God Of Evil with a poisonous bullet point blank? Done and done.
