Who created xenomorphs (according to Prometheus) SPOILERS!
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dspike said:
While that's good in theory (well I suppose at this point it's ALL just theory) here's something me and a friend came up with.
The grey alien in the beginning is the alien version of Prometheus, he did something wrong that angered his fellow aliens so they abandoned him on the planet, to live and die, forever alone. Now I believe they either gave him or he took a canister of the black goo with him because who the hell wants to live for such a long time completely alone. He drank the stuff to kill himself (or maybe he did not know what the effect would have on him because EVERY black goo stuff thing varies from black goo to black goo) I don't think he knew that he would create life.
His fellow aliens found out years later and decided instead of killing the abominations that they would be their "gods" and have the early humans worship them but for some reason the humans decided to stop worshiping the aliens and that made the aliens pissed off so the aliens decided to kill all mankind but never got to earth.
mad825 said:
Okay well the "aliens" YOU are probably talking about is (I'm assuming) the black things from the 70s movie "Alien" well those are not called Alien(s) their real name is Xenomorph(s). Now the aliens in this movie (until Ridley gives us a name for them) ARE Alien(s) because what else would we call them? How bout Titans or Space Jockeys? It's really not that confusing if people would think about it more.
I was thinking something similar. They lay on connections to the Prometheus myth pretty heavily, so it seems fitting that it would start off with a basically literal retelling of Prometheus. I want to believe the guy at the beginning was a rogue agent - he seeded life on the planet without letting his race know. Maybe they're a particularly cruel race (seems like it based on the rest of the film) and they tend to create life to harvest it later or use it as slaves or resources. So instead of letting another planet fall to that fate, he creates a free planet.Quiet Stranger said:
But that theory doesn't work when you consider that the aliens basically gave the humans a map to their place. Maybe there's a splinter faction of Space Jockeys with a different agenda, and they didn't have any idea that within 30,000 years of showing humans their map, the moon they set up on would get wiped out by their own bioweapons.
As for who created the xeno, I think that'll be the topic of the next movie. I think the black goo melds with whatever lifeform is nearby and creates a very hard to kill creature with an insane survival instinct. At first it harnesses human DNA (Shaws' boyfriend), then it gets passed on and goes through meiosis (Shaw), gets pulled out but survives, impregnates ANOTHER species (the Space Jockey), and becomes more "humanoid", since it's combined with human DNA 3 times now. We end up with a sort of proto xenomorph, and see that each stage of the creatures evolution makes it more streamlined and efficient. I imagine the proto will impregnate another space jockey, or just start laying eggs by evolving on its own.
-To create life on another planet, possibly a religious thingIlikemilkshake said:
-That(as stated) is just an outpost for weapons development by engineers and its possible that this particular one they meet is just offended by the question how to live forever david asks
(as their religion honors destruction for creation) or simply sees humans as a mistake(as we look different).
-They werent going to replace us, he was gonna launch the goo and have us destroy ourselves(kinda like a reset button) to restart life again on earth down the right path.
waaaaaah....mad825 said:
"I dont like the new installment in the thing I like thats old, therefore nobody does and how dare they try..."
Prometheus > any alien sequel(and possibly alien)
I wonder how many of the people in this thread saying they'll give the movie a miss, are saying that because of the rediculously worded OP.
You shouldn't, it's a really good film.
You shouldn't, it's a really good film.
The thing is, between Space Jockey corpses that look like something has burst out of their chest and various decorations (most notably the murals) that seem to portray Xenomorphs, it seems that the one at the end of the movie was not the first of its kind. Not by a long shot...
I guess I just feel the movie really didn't need to leave so many questions unanswered. It just made the movie really underwhelming. Not to mention the crew is WAY too similar to Alien, yet I liked essentially none of the characters. No one behaved normally.
Alien worked because it looked amazing and the world hadn't really seen something like it before. But we all know how the alien morphology and reproduction works at this point so it becomes kind of bland. You can see the plot coming a mile away. Was anyone surprised when the chick got pregnant? I wasn't.
Alien worked because it looked amazing and the world hadn't really seen something like it before. But we all know how the alien morphology and reproduction works at this point so it becomes kind of bland. You can see the plot coming a mile away. Was anyone surprised when the chick got pregnant? I wasn't.
First off, if I remember correctly, Prometheus originally started as an Alien prequel, but Ridley Scott changed his mind half way through and made it a stand alone move with no narrative ties to the original Alien.
Second: From what I've gathered, as some people have already mentioned, the first "engineer" sacrificed himself to allow his DNA to create new life on earth. They created those "Aliens" as a means to destroy humanity and start over. It just so happens that the creatures, which they may or may not have created, require a host to develop. By that we can assume that the intentions were to use humanity in a efficient manner to allow this new life to thrive.
I'm no expert on the Aliens movies, but apparently the engineers would create and destroy life in order to continuously improve on their previous creations. Those "aliens" were intended to succeed humans.
Second: From what I've gathered, as some people have already mentioned, the first "engineer" sacrificed himself to allow his DNA to create new life on earth. They created those "Aliens" as a means to destroy humanity and start over. It just so happens that the creatures, which they may or may not have created, require a host to develop. By that we can assume that the intentions were to use humanity in a efficient manner to allow this new life to thrive.
I'm no expert on the Aliens movies, but apparently the engineers would create and destroy life in order to continuously improve on their previous creations. Those "aliens" were intended to succeed humans.
I wasn't. I was surprised when she strapped herself into a medical pod and gave herself a c-section. I think the movie did at least introduce some new elements to keep the Alien universe from seeming stale. In fact, I like the implication that there are potentially limitless variants of the "xeno", which means just because we know the life cycle, or part of the life cycle, of the thing from the original franchise, that doesn't mean we know what to expect in any Prometheus movies that would follow.AC10 said:
People are going to give passes because they read one persons thing and don't get it? That's bloody silly, it's not as batshit as he mentions.
The Xenomorphs change depending on what they are birthed from. So yes the black Xenomorphs we all know are human variants, there's also the Predaliens that are based off the Predators. It's not a theory it's how it worked. And it's not the origin of the Xenomorphs, as you've seen in Predator movies they've hunted xenomorphs before.
The Xenomorphs change depending on what they are birthed from. So yes the black Xenomorphs we all know are human variants, there's also the Predaliens that are based off the Predators. It's not a theory it's how it worked. And it's not the origin of the Xenomorphs, as you've seen in Predator movies they've hunted xenomorphs before.
Just so we're clear, it's not a direct Alien prequel, but it's clearly set in the same universe and the species that are the focus of Prometheus are clearly involved with the Xenomorphs in some way (one of them is even seen in the original Alien movie). We have the Weyland corporation running shady shennanigans and pictures of Xenomorphs can be seen throughout the movie and so on.LetalisK said:
This will sound strange so keep with me.Ilikemilkshake said:
1) The reason the "Space Jockey" killed himself was so that, with the help of that rapid mutagen goo, he could start a template for humans to evolve along and eventually form. I.E The first part in the overall scheme.
2 & 3) Now I'm not sure but I think I remembered hearing somewhere that before the movie was changed from an Alien prequel to what it is now, The creation of the Xenomorphs was another experiment to combat the Predator species that was more technologically advanced and destructive. However, the Xenomorphs required a host to reach their most lethal stage. Thus they needed a large supply of "cattle" that could effectively function as hosts. This means that the creation of human life was to make a species that mirrored the space jockies and harvest them to make an army capable of fighting back the dominant species in the galaxy.
The religious angle is one i hadn't thought of. It's a little cheap though, you could square away ANY illogical/unexplained character motivation with religion.CODE-D said:
Your 2nd point does make alot of sense.
However i'm still iffy on why they were using xenomorphs to wipe out life on earth. It just seems a little short sighted.
For part 1) I sort of gathered that he killed himself to create life but i mean, why was it necessary? Surely they could create life without destroying it? CODE-D who i've quoted above me has suggested the whole creation from destruction is a religious thing which kind of makes sense.tobi the good boy said:
For 2 + 3) This idea does make ALOT of sense when thinking about AVP. However thinking about outside of the movies I don't see this being the case. Ridley Scott was very much against AVP. It was also he who wanted to change the movie into more of a standalone thing rather than an Alien movie. Given this I find it unlikely that he would have used this as their motivation.
My understanding is that depending on what they impregnate you get a different kind of xeno and in previous films we've only seen facehugger + human and facehugger + predator so really no one created xenos but we all create different species of xenos...
Allow me to consult the gods of speculation for a minute, but I might have something here. In real life synthetic biology is a thing, where we can take cells, suck out all their parts, and basically insert DNA to have them start making whatever proteins we want. As far as I know, we're not even close to having the ability to make cells from scratch. The way one researcher put it, we can get close to mimicking a natural organism at the most basic level, but we can't make it evolve. So if we build single celled organisms, like nanomachines, they'll perform whatever task they're programmed for. But they won't change, improve, or adapt like natural organisms do.Ilikemilkshake said:
So maybe this is a predicament in the future as well. Maybe the Space Jockeys don't even know where life "came from", they just know how to replicate it and manipulate it. Certainly would be ironic for Shaw to make it all the way to the SJ homeworld, ask them where they came from, and have them shrug their shoulders.
The movie is not a direct prequel to Alien. It is, however, set in the same universe and with many, many ties to the original movie. It's not a prequel to Alien's story and characters, but it is a prequel to its setting.Waaghpowa said:
As a huge Alien nerd, I am really pleased with Prometheus. Although not as good as the first two movies, it was better than Alien3, and MILES ahead of anything that came after that. I'm looking forward to the next one.
OT: Yes, the xenomorph seems to have evolved from the black goo, which the Engineers seem to use as a tool to erase past mistakes, or "failed projects".