Who died for you in mass effect 2?
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The trick with Mordin is to have him escort the non-combatants back to the Normandy.Shotgun Guy said:
Anyways, I've played through twice. As I lean far more towards the Paragon options than the Renegade ones, this of course means that by the time the loyalty missions popped up I had a silver tongue and could work my way out of anything. Ergo, everyone was loyal when I took on the final mission (Party conflicts? I laugh at them. Ha! Haha!), and I made it out without a single casualty in both playthroughs. Which was good, because I am very protective of my allied NPCs.
Miranda and Legion I didn't have a good relationship with (not enough Paragon), so they both died holding the line, which I had expected (though I was sad about Legion). Tali also died by headshot near the beginning after she did her hacking part, even though I had a good relationship with her.
I had all of the upgrades, and I already said that Legion and Miranda weren't loyal. Here were my choices for support:
Hacker: Tali
1st Squad Leader: Samara
Deaths: Tali
Biotic: Jack
2nd Squad Leader: Garrus
Sent back with crew: Grunt
Party for final boss: Samara and Garrus
Died at the line: Miranda and Legion
I had all of the upgrades, and I already said that Legion and Miranda weren't loyal. Here were my choices for support:
Hacker: Tali
1st Squad Leader: Samara
Deaths: Tali
Biotic: Jack
2nd Squad Leader: Garrus
Sent back with crew: Grunt
Party for final boss: Samara and Garrus
Died at the line: Miranda and Legion
Problem highlighted above - even though Tali was loyal, whoever you send through the tunnel will die if you don't have a good enough squad leader. Switch Samara (who's an excellent fighter, but not so great a leader apparently) for either Garrus, Miranda (maybe not her if she's not loyal) or Jacob and your tech expert should live once they exit the tunnel. Since fighting Collectors calls for biotics a lot more than tech skills, I just have Garrus be the other squad leader pretty much every time.ImProvGamr said:
Also, it's best to keep Grunt around to "hold the line" at the end since he's, well, boss at holding lines. Your weakest loyal squad member is usually the best one to send back with the crew.
I dared not let any of my team die. Sure, I cheated to get there, and I don't have the time or accepting girlfriend to let me have another, fairer go at it, but I'm going into Mass Effect 3 with EVERYONE alive!
...except, y'know, Kaidan.
...except, y'know, Kaidan.
My last playthrough, I made sure everyone survived, even Kelly. I got sick of making a mistake somewhere and seeing her get ground to a pulp.
My very first playthrough, only Mordin died.
My very first playthrough, only Mordin died.
Across my many playthroughs, I never lost anyone. I think attributing it to OCD, like someone above me did, will be accurate. I always complete the side quests before storyline quests, and this never failed me.
I personally don't like playing as jerks, so all my Paragon Shepards will have the best start posible, which makes me glad.
That said, there are clues in the game that allow you to make an informed decision as to the order of doing things and final battle assignments.
After the Collector vessel mission (the one that gives you weapon training/specialisation), in the debriefing you discuss whether you should go for the Reaper IFF directly, or stick with building your team, which means, finishing all the loyalty missions.
As for squad members and whom to assign where, if you talk to your crew, you'll find they'll tell you what they're good at and what they suck at:
- Mordin will tell you that he hates "holding the line", preferring to get the job done and go home.
- Zaeed will tell you about many missions in which he preferred to save his own ass and didn't care for others, meaning he might be a good fighter, but crappy leader.
- Samara will tell you how Justicars work alone, meaning she's inexperienced in a leadership role. She is a very old asari, tho, so of course, powerful biotic.
- Grunt is a hormonal teenager and doesn't care much for the imprinting done to him in his tank, but he sure can shoot well and take a lot of punishment.
- Jack will state from the beginning that all she cares for is herself. She can unleash hell with her biotics, however.
- Jacob will tell you he has an experience leading a team. He only mentions his biotics once.
- Kasumi is a techy, stealty chick, but she always works alone.
- Legion can hack everything and shoot really well, but who would trust a Geth leading them?
- Miranda is overconfident and proud, so of course she'd say she's best at everything, but she was wrong on many occasions. The only thing you can trust her on is leading a team, as she actually done it before and results weren't that bad.
- Tali is very talented tech-wise, but she doesn't feel comfortable in leadership role of any kind.
- Thane, as skilled as he is, never even mentions his biotics, and also always worked alone.
- Garrus is more focused on his weapon skills rather than tech skills, but has successfully lead a team of his own, until someone betrayed them.
So there you go. if you were paying attention to what your team says, you can be informed enough to assign them appropriate roles in the final battle.
Now I feel like I spent way too much time analysing it.
I personally don't like playing as jerks, so all my Paragon Shepards will have the best start posible, which makes me glad.
That said, there are clues in the game that allow you to make an informed decision as to the order of doing things and final battle assignments.
After the Collector vessel mission (the one that gives you weapon training/specialisation), in the debriefing you discuss whether you should go for the Reaper IFF directly, or stick with building your team, which means, finishing all the loyalty missions.
As for squad members and whom to assign where, if you talk to your crew, you'll find they'll tell you what they're good at and what they suck at:
- Mordin will tell you that he hates "holding the line", preferring to get the job done and go home.
- Zaeed will tell you about many missions in which he preferred to save his own ass and didn't care for others, meaning he might be a good fighter, but crappy leader.
- Samara will tell you how Justicars work alone, meaning she's inexperienced in a leadership role. She is a very old asari, tho, so of course, powerful biotic.
- Grunt is a hormonal teenager and doesn't care much for the imprinting done to him in his tank, but he sure can shoot well and take a lot of punishment.
- Jack will state from the beginning that all she cares for is herself. She can unleash hell with her biotics, however.
- Jacob will tell you he has an experience leading a team. He only mentions his biotics once.
- Kasumi is a techy, stealty chick, but she always works alone.
- Legion can hack everything and shoot really well, but who would trust a Geth leading them?
- Miranda is overconfident and proud, so of course she'd say she's best at everything, but she was wrong on many occasions. The only thing you can trust her on is leading a team, as she actually done it before and results weren't that bad.
- Tali is very talented tech-wise, but she doesn't feel comfortable in leadership role of any kind.
- Thane, as skilled as he is, never even mentions his biotics, and also always worked alone.
- Garrus is more focused on his weapon skills rather than tech skills, but has successfully lead a team of his own, until someone betrayed them.
So there you go. if you were paying attention to what your team says, you can be informed enough to assign them appropriate roles in the final battle.
Now I feel like I spent way too much time analysing it.
The first playthrough I lost Tali, Jacob and half the Normandy crew. The second I lost no one.
Guess which save I'm using for ME3?
Guess which save I'm using for ME3?
First time: Mordin, because I left him to hold the line, at whatever the cost. EDIT: I save all the crew though
If it had been Grunt, Legion, Jacob, maybe even Garrus, I could have lived with this, because they are warriors, trained to fight. Mordin, on the other hand, is a scientist, and an actor dammit, even if he was STG... So I went back and fixed it
If there was a choice, I would have left him and Tali on the Normandy, cause they are not fighters, they deserve better than being sent to die for some insane suicide mission.
In other missions, a variety of people died/survived, mostly cause I wanted to see what would happen.
If it had been Grunt, Legion, Jacob, maybe even Garrus, I could have lived with this, because they are warriors, trained to fight. Mordin, on the other hand, is a scientist, and an actor dammit, even if he was STG... So I went back and fixed it
If there was a choice, I would have left him and Tali on the Normandy, cause they are not fighters, they deserve better than being sent to die for some insane suicide mission.
In other missions, a variety of people died/survived, mostly cause I wanted to see what would happen.
No one...I'd often toy with the idea of doin no one's loyalty missions, or not doing specific ones, as well as not upgrading the ship just to see what happens when some/most/all characters die on the suicide mission...but for the life of me I just can't bring myself to intentionally sabotage myself.
After downloading Kasumi, though, I didn't know that you had to keep one loyalty mission until after getting the IFF or else you won't have time to do every loyalty mission AND save the entire Normandy crew...so there was one playthrough where Mordin died, and another where I left Legion turned off until after the post-game after the Collector base.
the game where Mordin died has since been replayed again with everyone surviving. So yeah, going into ME 3: I've got no casualties.
After downloading Kasumi, though, I didn't know that you had to keep one loyalty mission until after getting the IFF or else you won't have time to do every loyalty mission AND save the entire Normandy crew...so there was one playthrough where Mordin died, and another where I left Legion turned off until after the post-game after the Collector base.
the game where Mordin died has since been replayed again with everyone surviving. So yeah, going into ME 3: I've got no casualties.
No one
All 3 ship upgrades (Shields, Armour, cannon)
Do suicide mission immediately after the crew is collected
Loyal Tali/Legion/Kasumi as tech specialist
Loyal Garrus/Jacob/Miranda as the leader of both fire teams
Loyal Samara/Morinth/Jack for biotic bubble
Loyal Mordin/Kasumi/Tali/Jack as escort (or any other loyal squad member, but this gets the squishy squaddies out of the way)
Garrus, Grunt and Zaeed stay behind to hold the line (have the highest defence point scores)
All 3 ship upgrades (Shields, Armour, cannon)
Do suicide mission immediately after the crew is collected
Loyal Tali/Legion/Kasumi as tech specialist
Loyal Garrus/Jacob/Miranda as the leader of both fire teams
Loyal Samara/Morinth/Jack for biotic bubble
Loyal Mordin/Kasumi/Tali/Jack as escort (or any other loyal squad member, but this gets the squishy squaddies out of the way)
Garrus, Grunt and Zaeed stay behind to hold the line (have the highest defence point scores)
Well in my very first blind playthrough of Mass Effect 2 I believe I had Thane and Jack die on me I think, I'm not too sure as I haven't played ME2 in ages.
However after that, my second playthrough and my third perfect playthrough (where I did every possible thing I could in ME1 and ME2 that I could think of), every one of my squadmates survived.
However after that, my second playthrough and my third perfect playthrough (where I did every possible thing I could in ME1 and ME2 that I could think of), every one of my squadmates survived.
Well, on my first playthrough, Thane and Mordin died. Can't remember why.
On my second playthrough, none died.
And on my latest playthrough, I made it nice and fitting and killed off everyone except for Jacob and Miranda.
On my second playthrough, none died.
And on my latest playthrough, I made it nice and fitting and killed off everyone except for Jacob and Miranda.