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TKretts3

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I liked SG-1 and I loved Atlantis (It was one of my three favourite shows when I was growing up). Heck, I even liked Universe - apparently I'm the only one. When I first say Robert Carlyle in Once Upon a Time I immediately shouted, "DOCTOR RUSH!" I usually hold the mantra that one should wait until they see the movie before passing judgement so I'm not going to go major ape on this, but... Knowing Roland's previous works, and know what he thinks of the TV franchise (Which, let's face it, isn't just a spin off but the main attraction) really makes me worried about the film.

Of course if it's bad I'll just ignore it.

What really cheeses me off is that we won't be wrapping up the story of the TV shows. Fans have been begging for Stargate Extinction, even if it would just be a tv-budget movie, to wrap up loose ends in Atlantis. Instead we get a big budget movie that will probably go against everything the fans wanted. No Stargate: Extinction. No Stargate: Revolution. Just Roland.
 

gridsleep

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LEXX won't come up. It's so much like today's American corporate culture that it hardly passes for science fiction any more. What? Your employer doesn't force you to donate internal organs for the enhancement of company profits? What dream palace do you work for?
 

marscentral

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I liked the film and loved the TV show. I think my biggest problem with the announcement wasn't so much that they wanted to go back to the beginning, I can get behind the original creators wanting to continue the story their own way. It was the lack of respect for the TV show, which, like it or not, is the reason many of us care about the franchise.
 

Laughing Man

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I liked SG-1 and I loved Atlantis (It was one of my three favourite shows when I was growing up). Heck, I even liked Universe - apparently I'm the only one
Not so, I loved SG1 I actually ended up loving Atlantis more and I hated Universe at first but came to like it as well so don't worry you aren't the only SG fan out there that liked all 3.

Instead we get a big budget movie that will probably go against everything the fans wanted. No Stargate: Extinction. No Stargate: Revolution. Just Roland.
This is why the movie will see zero of my cash. For the same money as one of these big budget movies they coould have had tied up Atlantis, they could have given us the SG1 movie that saw the project go public and we probably could have had a tie up to Universe, ended the franchise and then let it rest for half a decade before a proper reboot.

Instead we get some bastardised continuation of a a 20 year old semi mediocre sci-fi movie that will go out of it's way to ignore the expanded universe created by it's far more successful TV spin offs. Heck it looks like they won't even Star Trek it (that's using time travel to go back in time and take a huge dump on the franchises expanded universe so that you can then tell new stories that look and sound shockingly the same as the stuff we saw pre reboot, KKKKKHHHHHHHAAAAANNNNNN!)
 

Something Amyss

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gigastar said:
Lets be realistic, were they really going to let one of the biggest science-fiction TV franchises rest in peace during a time when science-fiction is cool?
You just made it out like we should be grateful we're getting anything, and now you're saying it was more or less inevitable. Which is it? Was it a given, or should we be thankful that we're getting something? Because I agree with the latter premise: realistically, they will whip even a dead horse provided it hasn't completely been turned to Jell-O.

But if this is about our desires or appreciation, I'd appreciate nothing more than the concept of Roland Emmerich setting the future of Stargate. Why? Because when there was nothing, at least I had some degree of hope.
 

Daemascus

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The movie was okay. Just okay. SG1 is one of my favorite shows of all time. If they want to reboot it, get the writers from the show, not the guys also made White House Down, The Day After Tomorrow, and the 98 Godzilla.
 

Something Amyss

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Soviet Heavy said:
Do you not see how this same thing could be said about Star Wars? The EU revived Star Wars in the 90s. Sure, it might not be "the heart of the franchise", as you put it, but it was a major point in sparking new interest in the franchise.
But then, it wasn't the same thing. It wasn't the "heart of the franchise." Lucas was never pushed out for the EU; his material was always considered canon. Even when it was bad or dumb.

If the two had been treated the same, you might see the same reaction. But they weren't.

Darth_Payn said:
I assume you mean Street Fighter's big impact was being so laughably bad.
Well, negative impact is still impact.
 

Bertylicious

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Rellik San said:
LEXX getting a cinematic reboot? A TV series so sexually charged and weird being given control over by a bunch of Producers... *shudders*... even as a thought experiment that could only go horribly wrong... speaking of which I just remembered Eva Habermann as Zev... I need some alone time now.

On the other hand, as others have said I think Stargate has enough to tell that multiple iterations can exist, certainly more worthy of a reboot than Star Trek (which still had plenty of stories to tell in it's universe).
Look, I love Lexx, I love the idea, the setting and the whole camp, torture-fuelled, nonsense of it all, but have you watched it recently? After the first series it was rubbish. Not even rubbish in a Zombie Flesh Eaters 2, Firepower, kitchey way but rubbish. I mean just look at this:


... Okay, that was pretty good. Think I'm going to have to watch all of them and refresh my memory. There'd be no point making it into a movie though; there would only be you, me and, like, 10 other people who would go and see it.
 

Canadamus Prime

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Wasn't Stargate a series of novels before it was a film? ...or were the novels based on the film? I don't know. All I know is I remember reading a Stargate novel and wondering why the hell it seemed so radically different than SG-1 before figuring out that it was not part of the same canon.
 

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castlewise said:
I'm not sure the movie is enough of a classic to have a fanbase separate from the TV show. I mean, looking at other movies that came out in 1994 I see Forrest Gump, Shawshank Redemption, Lion King, Speed. I mean Street Fighter came out in 1994 and I would say its had a larger impact. It would be interesting if I'm wrong though.

The TV series has a lot of gold in it. (Gold that gets significantly harder to find after season 7/8 of SG1, but gold nonetheless.) It would be a shame if they wasted it because the director's personal feelings.
The list of movies you give lacks one important thing... Scifi. In 94 no one was releasing good scifi movies, there was a Star Trek movie that year, but Generations wasn't exactly the strongest the series had ever been. So when a new IP shows up and the movie does fairly well it got a lot of attention from the type of people who wanted to see something a little different.

Fast forward twenty years and I have enough distance to be very very unimpressed by the TV show. 9 times out of 10 whatever alien world they visited looked like the same stretch of forest in Vancouver. I wasn't always on board with their lore choices. When you compare it to TV of this decade SG-1 just comes off as half-hearted and dull (and doubtlessly hindered by their non-budget). It was great background noise on Monday nights when Scifi showed four hours of it while I did my homework in college, but when I wanted a break from homework I still went and hung out with my friend who worked building security and didn't watch SG-1.

The less said of the other series, the better.
 

ZippyDSMlee

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I liked Most of SG1 and most of Atlantis past that it goes down hill.The movie was okay but if they ignore the TV series and do their own thing its not going to end well...
 

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I don't normally say this, but I think the best Idea is to do a total reboot. SG1 is now hugely more popular than the campy barely-remembered original movie. 20 years is a long time, why not just make a new "Star Gate" and if it sells they can turn it in to a trilogy. Make up some more interesting characters too, Daniel Jackson and O'Neil are such Hollywood stereotypes in the movie.

It gives them full license to do almost anything they want except get rid of the Star Gate (which is almost infinitely versatile as a set piece anyway) and probably aliens that take over human bodies and like Egyptian-style things (which were a good idea anyway).
 

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canadamus_prime said:
Wasn't Stargate a series of novels before it was a film? ...or were the novels based on the film? I don't know. All I know is I remember reading a Stargate novel and wondering why the hell it seemed so radically different than SG-1 before figuring out that it was not part of the same canon.
Yep, there were 5 novels written by Bill McCay that followed the movie canon and were based on notes by Emmerich. I remember reading at least one of them but can't recall what the heck they were about. I remember a bit about trying to integrate Abydonian refugees into Earth society? I never bothered to look for the rest of the series because the TV series gelled better with me
 

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SeeDarkly_Xero said:
Matt K said:
In light of Guardians of the Galaxy, I could see Lexx getting a decent movie reboot.
In light of LEXX, I could see Lexx deserving a decent movie reboot!
But... these days I can only imagine it would get homogenized to look like everything else and lose that "special something" that made me cringe while watching and yet come back week after week despite myself. :p
as a fan of Lexx id say that lexx needs its deserved death from old age. its a good series, but its not something thats fitting in modern culture. the antisexism warriors alone would sink it the moment it comes out.

Bertylicious said:
Look, I love Lexx, I love the idea, the setting and the whole camp, torture-fuelled, nonsense of it all, but have you watched it recently? After the first series it was rubbish. Not even rubbish in a Zombie Flesh Eaters 2, Firepower, kitchey way but rubbish.
im a late watcher, only watched the series this year, so my memory is quite fresh on it (heck, i was watching it yesterday). id say it actually picked up when it went to series format rather than movie format. movies severely suffered from the budget problem to the point of grinding your teeth watching it. meanwhile the show got better budged and finally afford to do what it wanted to do. they also had pretty decent story arks trhoughout all other seasons. not a perfect show by any stretch, not even in my top 5, but its definatelly not as bad as you make it out to be. the first series was the rubbish part.
 

Canadamus Prime

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Jinjer said:
canadamus_prime said:
Wasn't Stargate a series of novels before it was a film? ...or were the novels based on the film? I don't know. All I know is I remember reading a Stargate novel and wondering why the hell it seemed so radically different than SG-1 before figuring out that it was not part of the same canon.
Yep, there were 5 novels written by Bill McCay that followed the movie canon and were based on notes by Emmerich. I remember reading at least one of them but can't recall what the heck they were about. I remember a bit about trying to integrate Abydonian refugees into Earth society? I never bothered to look for the rest of the series because the TV series gelled better with me
Yeah, all I really remember about the 1 I read was that it ended on a cliffhanger with them sending a dismantled chopper though the Stargate.
 

alj

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I love both the movie and SG1 up until it changed up the core cast and richard dean anderson moved to a smaller role.

As far as the star wars Extended universe, the stuff set way way back in the timeline ( the old republic era ) is way more interesting to me than anything in the films lore wise.

Not saying i don't love the original 3 films i do but the universe set out in the EU for the above period is simply more interesting.
 

Therumancer

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My basic opinion is that reboots of things like this are a bad idea, if they want to do more of this, continue from where it left off. At the end of the day the original creators lost control of their work, and the TV series and it's spin offs (which included a few movies like "Ark Of Truth") are what made it successful even if some fans of the original movie did not care for the directions the TV series wound up going in. The eventual failure of the Stargate spin offs was due to some bad choices in creating things like "Stargate: Universe" which was to say they were drawn out and did not feature any really likable characters that resonated with fans. The animated series was a bad idea to begin with, as it was aimed at a younger audience, and really that wasn't the core target for the franchise to begin with even if a number of youngsters watched it.

All a "Stargate" reboot is going to do is upset the same fan base they want to impress. It might be profitable, but it won't be popular, and probably won't be enduring. I look at the whole JJ Abrams reboot of Star Trek, which was borderline insulting to the original, it made a ton of money, but serious Trekkies who are the ones who still form the backbone of the support network at best consider it an alternate universe and have made it rather clear the only thing they take seriously is the so called "Prime" universe based on the ongoing TV continuity. What's more these guys don't really have quite the staying power or hype of "JJ Abrams" despite their success, JJ had a number of fan hits under his belt (Lost, Alias, etc...) which is partly why he even got the chance to win people over (twice). Maybe if the original Stargate creators had already done a couple of TV series with ongoing fan bases (like "Losties") that had made it 3 or 4 years and concluded (for good or ill) people might be receptive to them rebooting a beloved franchise, or at least willing to listen to the attempt. JJ at least sold himself as being a fan of the successful IP, where our returning "Stargate" team has been blunt about disliking the material that made this popular enough for another movie
to even be considered, they are pretty much staring off with a slap to the face of the fans, and planning on running with what was the least popular part of the entire franchise, and ironically exists largely as a footnote/prequel to
the stuff that was actually popular.

While this might slot people off, I'd consider the real "Owner" of Stargate at this point, at least from a fan perspective (ignoring legal ownership of the rights) to be Richard Dean Anderson. The thing to understand is that he started out starring in it, but also produced a lot of the stuff, and apparently had a lot of say over where it went. It's one of those shows where the cast was the show on a lot of levels, and some of them like Amanda tapping managed to leverage that experience and role into turning their pet web projects into full blown TV series ("Sanctuary" had a decent run for a genera show, going on 4 years if I remember).

It's sort of like "Charmed", and how Alyssa Milano pretty much shut down the whole idea of doing another version of it, or so it seems, with a wiser studio. The bottom line being is that she was one of the stars, but her and Holly Marie Combs pretty much WERE the show, having not just acted in it, but keeping it alive due financing it and joining the producers, which in turn gave them a degree of creative control as to where it went.

Love or hate MacGyver (Richard Dean Anderson) the bottom line was he was the guy who made the show what it was and kept it going to the point where you could get spin offs and such. He's the guy I ultimately think should act as the sounding board for the IP even if he's not going to produce and sound in it. The wise would probably confer with Amanda Tapping as well (I don't remember if the other members of the cast got involved in producing or creatively helmed their own shows based on their success with Stargate, and what they learned from it).
 

tmande2nd

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Crap.

I just had an image of a JJ Abrams reboot.
"EVERYONE IS YOUNG AND SEXY! NORAD LOOKS LIKE AN IPHONE!EVERYONE STARE RIGHT AT THE CAMERA AND MAKE FACES!"

Ugh.