Who's the target audience for bad simulator games?

[Heinrich843]

Hey, screw you guys.

These games are hilarious when played incorrectly.

Vid not really SFW btw. (Language)

 

[imnot]

Are you kidding! These are hardcore games!
You guys just aren't MLG enough to play them.
SWAG

 

[Private Custard]

Right, you can remove the word 'simulator' from your post. Flight's a total abortion!

Which is why I was referring to the pre-F2P releases, the one that the last major release of was close to a decade ago. Those games were serious sims; FSX was made, as far as I know, to fill the gap left by the lack of a recent release. Otherwise, we seem to agree.

FSX and FS2004 are surprisingly close in terms of features, although FSX is way more advanced if you take addons into account (orbx sceneries, PMDG aircraft etc...). It's just unfortunate that you need a supercomputer if you want to get even close to acceptable performance, whereas FS2004 is as smooth as silk.

On the plus side, Lockheed Martin bought some source code and have made Prepar3d, which is basically FSX...except it's coded properly!


Jesus, I've just realised I sound like one of 'those guys'!!

 

[hermes]

I once read some of those studies. They were about how violent games brainwash our youth and all recent acts of violence can be attributed to violent games like Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto and The Black Eyes Peas Experience...

It sounded serious enough, so I guess it must be true.

What? The whole scientific method is now suspect because some horrible horrible people said something unpleasant about your beloved video games? Maybe we should go back to casting runes or like our politically correct friend not say anything negative about anyone because it's exactly the same as calling everyone nazis.

Please, don't insult my intelligence citing the "scientific method" like that. The scientific method is about creating and refuting hypothesis under observable and repeatable conditions; not making broad, hyperbolic generalizations based on isolated events and media stereotypes.

If "Americans like to get drunk and shoot things" and "Germans are measured people that like to expand their horizon by learning new skills" is what passes as "scientific facts" in your mind, you are better off with the runes.

And since you are so fond of jumping to conclusions and using Google as an encyclopedia, without any regards to critical thinking, you may want to look for "Fallacy of false cause" while you are in it.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Please, don't insult my intelligence citing the "scientific method" like that. The scientific method is about creating and refuting hypothesis under observable and repeatable conditions; not making broad, hyperbolic generalizations based on isolated events and media stereotypes.

If "Americans like to get drunk and shoot things" and "Germans are measured people that like to expand their horizon by learning new skills" is what passes as "scientific facts" in your mind, you are better off with the runes.

And since you are so fond of jumping to conclusions and using Google as an encyclopedia, without any regards to critical thinking, you may want to look for "Fallacy of false cause" while you are in it.

What? Someone called out my joke about there being people who like to drink and shoot guns in America saying that surely those people don't exist without giving any evidence when I very easily found that were studies published in proper medical journals. I did not claim that owning guns and/or living in America when combined were causes for drinking alcohol or anything like that. Just that there is evidence for correlation between the three. I don't mean to insult people's intelligence but people could try to at least try to do a better job at saying that I'm wrong. I feel like no effort is being made to be actually correct me.

If you want to take offence for me "insulting your intelligence" when you outright deny the results of any study you haven't looked into closely because you didn't like the results of some video game studies then go ahead and take offence.

 

[PsychedelicDiamond]

German people buy them unless it's a hunting simulation then people from the USA buy them. In Germany learning a skill or trade is seen as good aspirational thing like as in the USA getting drunk and shooting wild animals is.

No, it may be suprising to you but german gamers kinda enjoy to have fun, thank you very much. I don't know anyone who ever bought one of those simulations. I mean, i do know some people who downloaded them to see how bad they really are but no one who actually bought them. I think those games are pretty much marketed to casual gamers who have no real idea about how good games are supposed to be. You know, people who just want to pick up a game for 5? and don't care if it's good or bad.

 

[hermes]

Please, don't insult my intelligence citing the "scientific method" like that. The scientific method is about creating and refuting hypothesis under observable and repeatable conditions; not making broad, hyperbolic generalizations based on isolated events and media stereotypes.

If "Americans like to get drunk and shoot things" and "Germans are measured people that like to expand their horizon by learning new skills" is what passes as "scientific facts" in your mind, you are better off with the runes.

And since you are so fond of jumping to conclusions and using Google as an encyclopedia, without any regards to critical thinking, you may want to look for "Fallacy of false cause" while you are in it.

What? Someone called out my joke about there being people who like to drink and shoot guns in America saying that surely those people don't exist without giving any evidence when I very easily found that were studies published in proper medical journals. I did not claim that owning guns and/or living in America when combined were causes for drinking alcohol or anything like that. Just that there is evidence for correlation between the three. I don't mean to insult people's intelligence but people could try to at least try to do a better job at saying that I'm wrong. I feel like no effort is being made to be actually correct me.

If you want to take offence for me "insulting your intelligence" when you outright deny the results of any study you haven't looked into closely because you didn't like the results of some video game studies then go ahead and take offence.

I never said they didn't exist, I said its a broad generalization, and having found studies in internet is not really validation. Many social sciences are validated by statistics, and statistics can be easily manipulated to suit the authors point.

By the way, "Many gun owners in the US are heavy drinkers" and "gun incidents are often linked to alcohol", therefore "in America, many people like to drink and shoot animals" is not a correlation, its a generalization, based on a fallacy of false cause. The videogames thing was merely an example because as a group, geek culture have been subject to a lot of misconceptions and scapegoating like "gamers are all antisocial", "Columbine was inspired by Doom", "TV is a school for violence" or "Comic books foment homosexuality", most of them inaccurate generalizations or just wrong, but gave people like Wertham, Grossman and Bandura a lot of political presence.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

No, it may be suprising to you but german gamers kinda enjoy to have fun, thank you very much. I don't know anyone who ever bought one of those simulations. I mean, i do know some people who downloaded them to see how bad they really are but no one who actually bought them. I think those games are pretty much marketed to casual gamers who have no real idea about how good games are supposed to be. You know, people who just want to pick up a game for 5? and don't care if it's good or bad.

Germany is the largest market for these games although no doubt other games are more popular and they also sell in other countries.

By the way, "Many gun owners in the US are heavy drinkers" and "gun incidents are often linked to alcohol", therefore "in America, many people like to drink and shoot animals" is not a correlation, its a generalization, based on a fallacy of false cause. The videogames thing was merely an example because as a group, geek culture have been subject to a lot of misconceptions and scapegoating like "gamers are all antisocial", "Columbine was inspired by Doom", "TV is a school for violence" or "Comic books foment homosexuality", most of them inaccurate generalizations or just wrong, but gave people like Wertham, Grossman and Bandura a lot of political presence.

Well somebody is buying those Deer Hunting simulators. There has to be some sort of explanation for such deviant behaviour and the buyers being drunk is one that makes sense to me because all people who get drunk occasional make bad decisions on how to spend money.

 

[PsychedelicDiamond]

No, it may be suprising to you but german gamers kinda enjoy to have fun, thank you very much. I don't know anyone who ever bought one of those simulations. I mean, i do know some people who downloaded them to see how bad they really are but no one who actually bought them. I think those games are pretty much marketed to casual gamers who have no real idea about how good games are supposed to be. You know, people who just want to pick up a game for 5? and don't care if it's good or bad.

Germany is the largest market for these games although no doubt other games are more popular and they also sell in other countries.

Yeah... that's probably because they are made in Germany. Why? Probably because we dont have much of a game industry otherwise. Crysis was made in germany, there are a few moderately succesful RPGs (like Risen 2 that came out just recently) but otherwise our output in games pretty much consists of low-budget shovelware. Well... our ouput in media for the most part is pretty much like that. Don't even ask about german television...

 

[Bobic]

The more important question is who is spending over £1000 on the DLC for this simulator?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/24010/?snr=1_7_suggest__13

i got railworks 3 as pat of a package deal, as far as i can tell the only interesting part is derailing a huge ass train going down a hill.

but supringly ship simulator is fun for me even if it did make me sea sick

Ooh, have you played the trains vs zombies dlc? Is it hilarious or hilariously bad?