Why all the hate on the Matrix Sequels?

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Futurenerd

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Seriously. Let me ask you a question. Say that you had never seen The Matrix. Now, imagine that I came over to your house and showed you The Matrix Reloaded. Sure it wouldn't make any sense at all, but could you honestly say that otherwise it wouldn't be a good movie? It always pisses me off whenever I see someone hate on the Matrix trilogy because the sequels sucked. In my opinion, even though the Matrix sequels weren't better than the first, they were still wonderful movies in their own right, just not shining in comparison to the first. Can someone give me any other reason besides disappointment for hating the Matrix Sequels? I just don't really get it...
 

Funkiest Monkey

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Well, they aren't bad films. They just weren't as good as the original and introduced some stupid plot points.

EDIT: Wanna see some bad sequels? Go watch Pirates Of The Caribbean 2 & 3. One was an excellent film, but the other two were kinda stupid and boring.
 

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The movies aren't bad, the 'philosophy' is just so damn awful. It confuses the audience, frustrates -by lack of a better word- intellectuals and horrifies philosophy majors.

Confusion and fury tend to influence one's opinion.
 

Futurenerd

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Funkiest Monkey said:
Well, they aren't bad films. They just weren't as good as the original and introduced some stupid plot points.

EDIT: Wanna see some bad sequels? Go watch Pirates Of The Caribbean 2 & 3. One was an excellent film, but the other two were kinda stupid and boring.
Why are you telling me your opinions of other movie sequels in this thread? I'm not going to say anything, but please don't tempt me.
 

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Futurenerd said:
Funkiest Monkey said:
Well, they aren't bad films. They just weren't as good as the original and introduced some stupid plot points.

EDIT: Wanna see some bad sequels? Go watch Pirates Of The Caribbean 2 & 3. One was an excellent film, but the other two were kinda stupid and boring.
Why are you telling me your opinions of other movie sequels in this thread? I'm not going to say anything, but please don't tempt me.
Wait, what?
 

Futurenerd

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Funkiest Monkey said:
Futurenerd said:
Funkiest Monkey said:
Well, they aren't bad films. They just weren't as good as the original and introduced some stupid plot points.

EDIT: Wanna see some bad sequels? Go watch Pirates Of The Caribbean 2 & 3. One was an excellent film, but the other two were kinda stupid and boring.
Why are you telling me your opinions of other movie sequels in this thread? I'm not going to say anything, but please don't tempt me.
Wait, what?
Don't tell me what trilogies suck. I'm not here for more hate.
 

Celtic_Kerr

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Futurenerd said:
Funkiest Monkey said:
Well, they aren't bad films. They just weren't as good as the original and introduced some stupid plot points.

EDIT: Wanna see some bad sequels? Go watch Pirates Of The Caribbean 2 & 3. One was an excellent film, but the other two were kinda stupid and boring.
Why are you telling me your opinions of other movie sequels in this thread? I'm not going to say anything, but please don't tempt me.
Why are you acting like he's being a prick? this is a discussion forum. He is duscussing both themes that were brought up:

1) Bad sequels

2) Possible flaws with the matrix sequels

Otherwise this thread will last about 20 posts and die.

The matrix simply had a very confusing philosophy. So many people were confused by it. THey paled in comaprisson to the first, just like the Pirates movies. The plots became overcomplicated to "Add story depth"
 

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They weren't too bad, just that they were confusing as hell and just a bit too random. And well, to be honest, they were disappointing in comparison to the original. Not much story and nothing really new. Plus Neo just became too powerful and godly. The overall feel of the movies wasn't the same as the first either. Also, wtf with the ending to Revolutions?
 

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I think killing off (spoiler alert) Trinity in Revolutions pissed a lot of people off. It rendered Neo's rescuing of her in Reloded pointless. It should have been Morpheus (easily the coolest character in the Trilogy), since he had nothing to do in part 3 but side-seat drive. That's the only problem I had, anyway.
 

Baby Tea

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They were OK, up until Revolutions where they had the DBZ-style fight scene. That was utterly ridiculous. When Neo moved his hands back at one point, I honestly said out loud "If he shoots an energy beam, I'm leaving". It just go too full of itself in terms of trying to one-up the last 'OOH!' scene, and ended up being rather silly.

The first one was great.
The second one was really good, but not great.
The third one was OK, but got pretty silly.

That's my take, anyways.
 

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I really liked Reloaded. It wasn't as good as the first one, but it was a good all out action film. Lots of martial arts, shooting and a really cool car chase.

Revolutions on the other hand was a bit boring and unmemoriable. I can't really remember anything of the film, apart from the fight against Smith and that the ending was somehow bad.
 

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I watch the films for the kick-ass fight scenes, not the story.
And when I do watch them for the story, it's not too bad, just gets in the way of more fightin'!
 

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Celtic_Kerr said:
Futurenerd said:
Funkiest Monkey said:
Well, they aren't bad films. They just weren't as good as the original and introduced some stupid plot points.

EDIT: Wanna see some bad sequels? Go watch Pirates Of The Caribbean 2 & 3. One was an excellent film, but the other two were kinda stupid and boring.
Why are you telling me your opinions of other movie sequels in this thread? I'm not going to say anything, but please don't tempt me.


Otherwise this thread will last about 20 posts and die.
I'm betting 14.

I've seen half of the first movie and none of the others, but after a trip to AOBG it turns out the second one had a really low bodycount, and I have no idea about the third one.

I am dissapointed, as a friend said they were awesome action movies.

That's all I got on the matter.
 

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Futurenerd said:
Funkiest Monkey said:
Futurenerd said:
Funkiest Monkey said:
Well, they aren't bad films. They just weren't as good as the original and introduced some stupid plot points.

EDIT: Wanna see some bad sequels? Go watch Pirates Of The Caribbean 2 & 3. One was an excellent film, but the other two were kinda stupid and boring.
Why are you telling me your opinions of other movie sequels in this thread? I'm not going to say anything, but please don't tempt me.
Wait, what?
Don't tell me what trilogies suck. I'm not here for more hate.
Kind of ironic, because you're hating on me for discussing. Forums are for discussion.
 

Futurenerd

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Ok. Ok. Can we stop talking about how I didn't want that guy to tell me about lame movie trilogies? I only said that because I'm asking your opinion about the Matrix Trilogy, not about other movies. If you want to talk about PotC that's fine.
 

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Nope, I'm going with complete and utter shit on revolutions.

Reloaded was only ok. It had some good action, but sometimes the CG felt way too cheap, and I didn't care much for the story.

Now revolutions sucked ass. It's not even slightly good. It's complete and utter shite and I hate it.

The entire trilogy would have been better off if it simply was just the Matrix and nothing else.
 

Dags90

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Yes, I honestly could. The writing behind the second movie was pretty mediocre and problematic to the resolution of the story. By the third movie the expository scenes had gotten so over-the-top I had to keep myself from laughing in the theater. They're pointless action films and they tried to sell themselves as anything other than that. And seriously, what is the point of this scene:
 

Futurenerd

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Hubilub said:
Nope, I'm going with complete and utter shit on revolutions.

Reloaded was only ok. It had some good action, but sometimes the CG felt way too cheap, and I didn't care much for the story.

Now revolutions sucked ass. It's not even slightly good. It's complete and utter shite and I hate it.

The entire trilogy would have been better off if it simply was just the Matrix and nothing else.
Now see this is what I'm talking about. WHY? Explain the hate to me!
 

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Because the first movie was a brilliant movie. A good mix of Cyberpunk and martial arts with a clever story. The second films weren't, they got too pretentious and decided to try and make a story that wouldn't make sense. They also killed all the power of the agents.

See agents in the first movie are ultra powerful bad-asses who you don't fuck with. You meet one, you run. In the second movie they are down graded to just mooks. Seriously, Morpheus is able to take one on top of a truck. The random mooks in the mansion give Neo a harder time then the Smith clones or what any other Agent as gave him.

So they made the all powerful Agents into just mooks. Which gives a large plot hole to the first movie, where it's suggested and made clear what bad asses they are and that no one has ever gave them trouble. When you kill the power of your villains you take away the threat of that villain.

Also the battles where much worse. I didn't like the Smiths take Neo battle. That battle was also silly, turned Smith from being a plausible threat to being a joke. Also there where fewer one on one battles, fights are always better when it's one on one, bad ass versus bad ass.

I also thought the choreography took a nose dive. Way too much use of wire-fu made the fights seem poor. Rather than seeing cool, bad assed kicks and punched, the final battle consists mostly of flying into one another. That's not cool, it's boring.

To put it short, the script, story and fight scenes suffered in the sequels. That doesn't mean the movies where horrible and I still enjoy watching them every now and again but none compare to the first movie. Also I was expecting a much better sequel for the first movie.
 

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People can relate to Neo on the first, the can't on the sequels. That's my guess. I have wondered that too.

Funkiest Monkey said:
EDIT: Wanna see some bad sequels? Go watch Pirates Of The Caribbean 2 & 3. One was an excellent film, but the other two were kinda stupid and boring.
Did you watch them on inverse order? I think exactly the opposite. On the sequels there was the Kraken, Davy Jones, great fights, great CGI's, more comedy, more fantasy. I can't even recall a good moment on the first.