Why all the hate on the Matrix Sequels?

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Feystar

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I agree the second two are not as new, exciting and cutting edge as the first one because by that point the first one existed. but hate is a bit strong, I still enjoyed them both.

No my problem with the second two is that it appears they suddenly realized they were on to something big and tried to squeeze it for as much cash as they could, in doing so they shoved an over-riding story arc in to it that wasn't there in the first place and it doesn't quite fit properly.

tldr: I like them but they were just pumping the IP for cash.
 

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Nope, I'm going with complete and utter shit on revolutions.

Reloaded was only ok. It had some good action, but sometimes the CG felt way too cheap, and I didn't care much for the story.

Now revolutions sucked ass. It's not even slightly good. It's complete and utter shite and I hate it.

The entire trilogy would have been better off if it simply was just the Matrix and nothing else.
Exactly what I think. Revolutions made no sense and basically started the "trilogies are shit" stereotype in movies.
 

Plinglebob

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I would say the 2 sequals are great if you edit them together as one film. The thing that ruined it for me were the fight scenes. Whilte the scenes in the original were innovative and awesome, the fight scenes in the sequals were overlong and skipped over into farce. You could easily edit out a lot of the Zion scenes (ESPECIALLY the Rave), the multi-smith battle, the mansion/freeway fights and a lot of the final fight without losing anything.

For me, the 1st was awesome, the second was too full of itself and the 3rd would be rated decent if it had been a stand alone film, and not a Matrix sequal. However, it was worth suffering the sequals as it meant getting the Animatrix, as that was really good.

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Caligulove said:
They just felt so unnecessary after the original.
This is the reason why I'm against a Portal sequal. The first Matrix (like Portal) is close to a perfect film, but then the makers decided to cash in and make a sequal hoping to copy the 1sts success.
 

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The Matrix series are EXCELLENT movies. There is no reason for ppl to hate them at all.
 

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I don't understand the hate either. I love all three movies and think that revolutions in particular has some amazing lines and points in it
 

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Funkiest Monkey said:
JaymesFogarty said:
You know, surprisingly enough I get that reaction a lot!
I dunno, A New Hope can be boring at parts. But Empire is awesome, and Jedi even more so.
Well, I liked the characters, (within reason) and the story of the main antagonist(s) is quite interesting, but it didn't grab me. The second they pulled the, "force," out of their arse, I sighed. And the story doesn't really pick up much speed, even in the midst of the action. I'm not a sucker for action flicks, but I like movies to give me something to ponder on whilst soaking up the story. Inception is the kind of film I'm more into. Have you seen it yet? If not, I'd certainly recommend a viewing. I apolegise for how off-track this conversation is getting.
 

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JaymesFogarty said:
Funkiest Monkey said:
JaymesFogarty said:
You know, surprisingly enough I get that reaction a lot!
I dunno, A New Hope can be boring at parts. But Empire is awesome, and Jedi even more so.
Well, I liked the characters, (within reason) and the story of the main antagonist(s) is quite interesting, but it didn't grab me. The second they pulled the, "force," out of their arse, I sighed. And the story doesn't really pick up much speed, even in the midst of the action. I'm not a sucker for action flicks, but I like movies to give me something to ponder on whilst soaking up the story. Inception is the kind of film I'm more into. Have you seen it yet? If not, I'd certainly recommend a viewing. I apologise for how off-track this conversation is getting.
 

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People hate on them because they are different. The first one was a film about perceptions with a sci fi tinge. It has a dash of "lite-philosophy" to amaze people who aren't used to thinking much, and was nicely wrapped up at the end.

The sequels were adventure films that missed the point of why people liked the first one, and assumed people love sci fi and cgi. Which would be fine except for the fact they attatched the Matrix moniker. Even the "philosophy" they put in the sequels was no more than just a complicated plot device that didn't satisfy on any level. Wrap it up in a glamourised and pop-American version of industrial fetish and voila! You have 2 hugely disapointing sequels.

Nope, I don't like them. Watched 'em a couple of times to see if I was missing anything, and I think it will be a damn long time before I watch them again. The first is still entertaining though
 

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The problem with The Matrix sequels is that while the Matrix was incredibly philosophical in a sense because of its actual being and how we didn't understand that the first time round, its sequel merely added on top of it without being more.

Its like Deus Ex versus Deus Ex Invisible War, one was a strange new and exciting, the other was just the first with random bits bolted onto it.

Futurenerd said:
Funkiest Monkey said:
Well, they aren't bad films. They just weren't as good as the original and introduced some stupid plot points.

EDIT: Wanna see some bad sequels? Go watch Pirates Of The Caribbean 2 & 3. One was an excellent film, but the other two were kinda stupid and boring.
Why are you telling me your opinions of other movie sequels in this thread? I'm not going to say anything, but please don't tempt me.
Wowzers, your a Newbie here already with the power of non hate, good on you.

Although try not to hate on someone just because they have made a valid comment using a valid example on your thread buddy.
 

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JaymesFogarty said:
Funkiest Monkey said:
JaymesFogarty said:
You know, surprisingly enough I get that reaction a lot!
I dunno, A New Hope can be boring at parts. But Empire is awesome, and Jedi even more so.
Well, I liked the characters, (within reason) and the story of the main antagonist(s) is quite interesting, but it didn't grab me. The second they pulled the, "force," out of their arse, I sighed. And the story doesn't really pick up much speed, even in the midst of the action. I'm not a sucker for action flicks, but I like movies to give me something to ponder on whilst soaking up the story. Inception is the kind of film I'm more into. Have you seen it yet? If not, I'd certainly recommend a viewing. I apolegise for how off-track this conversation is getting.
Haha, sorry you feel that way. I dunno, it just kind of grabbed my imagination as a child, and I just regard them as great films to this day. (I'm only 16 by the way, I just watched them on VHS as a child.)

But hell yeah I wanna see Inception! Although I've heard good things, that shit will have to wait. Toy Story 3 is in a desperate need of viewing.
 

Buizel91

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First Bioshock 2 now Matirx...im expecting Halo next...

And tbh i have don't really like any, so can't comment =\
 

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I haven't seen the sequels, but I thought the first one was a bit dumb, as the above picture summarizes.
 

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no, no, no... the matrix had sequels.

If u want to negate the existance of something then plz do it with the 2nd season of death note u know after L dies, yeah that one doesn't exist.

But the Matrix has sequels and they are quite good despite the weird-random-plotfukkers
 

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Funkiest Monkey said:
JaymesFogarty said:
Funkiest Monkey said:
JaymesFogarty said:
You know, surprisingly enough I get that reaction a lot!
I dunno, A New Hope can be boring at parts. But Empire is awesome, and Jedi even more so.
Well, I liked the characters, (within reason) and the story of the main antagonist(s) is quite interesting, but it didn't grab me. The second they pulled the, "force," out of their arse, I sighed. And the story doesn't really pick up much speed, even in the midst of the action. I'm not a sucker for action flicks, but I like movies to give me something to ponder on whilst soaking up the story. Inception is the kind of film I'm more into. Have you seen it yet? If not, I'd certainly recommend a viewing. I apolegise for how off-track this conversation is getting.
Haha, sorry you feel that way. I dunno, it just kind of grabbed my imagination as a child, and I just regard them as great films to this day. (I'm only 16 by the way, I just watched them on VHS as a child.)

But hell yeah I wanna see Inception! Although I've heard good things, that shit will have to wait. Toy Story 3 is in a desperate need of viewing.
Sixteen? Ha, 15! I watched them about 4 years ago on DVD. Didn't really know what I had been missing, (I still don't) but I'm glad so many people enjoyed the series. I'm still unsure about Toy Story. I mean, they did leave the franchise to stagnate for almost a decade before making this. I'm worried it will be shit it will tarnish my memories of the films as a child, but I'll check it out sooner or later.
 

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I think the issue folks had came down to freedom of thought. With just the first movie, so much was left to our minds... the war between machine and man, the nature of reality, everything. So everyone had ideas. Everyone WANTED to put forth ideas. The comics, the AniMatrix, everything this concept birthed came about because we wanted to know more. And like any good film, we imagined because of it. We wondered about the nature of Zion. About the nature of the machines. About how someone/thing like Smith could exhibit a very clear-cut emotion... unbridled rage, spite, and hatred. Even folks who hated it could find things to talk about in it.

The biggest no-no in a magic act is to show how it's done... to ruin the magic and the wonderful questions magic produces. And that's what the sequels did. They revealed what the Brothers viewed as being The Answers. And for a lot of folks, the truth didn't live up to what they had in their minds.

Now, are they BAD movies? Oh, hell no. No no no. Bad movies are the works of Ed Wood, or Coleman Francis. Bad movies are the ones where nothing entertaining occurs on purpose; the deep film you laugh at, or the dramatic dialogue that envokes childish chuckles, or the comedy that makes you long for the sweet release of death. What they were was pulling back the curtain and revealing the Wizard of Oz for what he really was. And the truth just fell short for a lot of folks.

That said, I loved the whole trillogy. I loved the final fight, I loved the mechs, I even enjoyed the frakking rave. It didn't do everything I hoped it'd do, but it entertained me and interested me. And at the end of the day, that's all I wanted. Keannu Reeves was not going to be answering the question of reality and the meaning of life. He was always going to recite lines, kung fu fight, and shoot guns in slo-motion. And I never asked more of him than that.

That said, the video games blew total chunks.
 

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JaymesFogarty said:
Funkiest Monkey said:
JaymesFogarty said:
Funkiest Monkey said:
JaymesFogarty said:
You know, surprisingly enough I get that reaction a lot!
I dunno, A New Hope can be boring at parts. But Empire is awesome, and Jedi even more so.
Well, I liked the characters, (within reason) and the story of the main antagonist(s) is quite interesting, but it didn't grab me. The second they pulled the, "force," out of their arse, I sighed. And the story doesn't really pick up much speed, even in the midst of the action. I'm not a sucker for action flicks, but I like movies to give me something to ponder on whilst soaking up the story. Inception is the kind of film I'm more into. Have you seen it yet? If not, I'd certainly recommend a viewing. I apolegise for how off-track this conversation is getting.
Haha, sorry you feel that way. I dunno, it just kind of grabbed my imagination as a child, and I just regard them as great films to this day. (I'm only 16 by the way, I just watched them on VHS as a child.)

But hell yeah I wanna see Inception! Although I've heard good things, that shit will have to wait. Toy Story 3 is in a desperate need of viewing.
Sixteen? Ha, 15! I watched them about 4 years ago on DVD. Didn't really know what I had been missing, (I still don't) but I'm glad so many people enjoyed the series. I'm still unsure about Toy Story. I mean, they did leave the franchise to stagnate for almost a decade before making this. I'm worried it will be shit it will tarnish my memories of the films as a child, but I'll check it out sooner or later.
Two of my good friends went to see it, they said it was fucking amazing! One of them said he almost cried (although he isn't as stone-faced as me).
 

Reverend Del

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Opinions. Everyone has em, everyone is entitled to them. If folks want to hate the Matrix sequels they're free to do so. I enjoyed them. I love the Pirates movies. I find Star Wars to be average at best, and the prequel trilogy to be dirt. Trilogies don't tend to work out too well. After the first movie has sold you on awesomeness the next movies can't expect to have the same awesomeness. Pirates, in my mind, almost succeeds. Besides, Jack's fucking hilarious in all the movies.
 

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As much as I liked the sequels, they made no sense whatsoever during my first viewing of them. A movie should be clear and concise in what its trying to tell its audiences. I shouldn't have to watch a movie several times before I know what's going on in the story. Call me stupid, but that's what I believe.

I've seen each of them several times with my friends and there are still parts which I throw up my hands and say, "Whatever. I'm just going to roll with it." Don't get me wrong. I liked them, and while I don't believe they're as horrible as some people think, their plots get pretty confusing, especially with Matrix Reloaded.