You're actually thinking about this shit?Spinozaad said:
You'd enjoy it more if you just sat back and watched Neo kick ass. Reloaded was my favorite.
(Though, you are right. The story and...everything just doesn't add up.)
Why all the hate on the Matrix Sequels?
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You'd enjoy it more if you just sat back and watched Neo kick ass. Reloaded was my favorite.
(Though, you are right. The story and...everything just doesn't add up.)
[quote="Funkiest Monkey" Two of my good friends went to see it, they said it was fucking amazing! One of them said he almost cried (although he isn't as stone-faced as me).[/quote]Where do you live? I didn't even know it was out yet.
Highlander...Funkiest Monkey said:
The real ability here is finding a trilogy that didn't suck badly.
The only one I can think of is the Godfather.
You might also say LotR. I won't.
TBF, Matrix 1 had some really stupid bits. Humans as batteries? We're so bloody inefficient we have to sleep a third of our life.
Personally, I liked Reloaded much better than the first one. I don't get why people could possibly hate on both sequels. I mean, I can understand Revolutions but not the hate on Reloaded.
Actually to fully enjoy the storyline you have to turn your brain on and pay attention to the religious symbolism as it's all blended together to form a whole. Basically it's all comes down to a story about the Quest for the Holy Grail. In fact the Matrix 2-3 were just misunderstood by the average American intelligence, most weren't even aware of the themes of the first movie and just viewed it as a cyberpunk action film.Dags90 said:
The Merovingian was the character that intrigued me the most in the second and third films. I would love to see a prequel with this character spanning the course of several of the matrices. His descent from former The One to master of the machine underworld could make for an interesting story.
The Matrix kicked off a discussion of philosophy and a dissection of reality. I think the brainier of the nerds hoped that the sequels would further explore these themes of selfhood and reality when "identity" and "perception" is a mere collection of electrical impulses.Futurenerd said:
/pretentious.
Whether they are "wonderful movies in their own right" is not at issue. You can't look at a sequel just by itself. Because the sequel doesn't want you to look at it by itself. A sequel demands to be taken as a part of the whole, or it wouldn't be a sequel. They could just change all the names and make a different movie. Especially when you refer to it as The Matrix Trilogy. As a couple of movies? Yeah, they're fine. They're fun. But as a unit of three? They are a failure.
And what they showed was, to me, a problem that happens a lot in entertainment, where the creators of a thing become successful and completely misinterpret what they were doing right. There are people who liked the warped storyline and skewed future-reality suggested by the first movie, and all they got with the second one was bitchin' special effects.
If you liked the bitchin' special effects, then, yeah. I bet that movie was something you dug. But there wasn't the thing from before that everybody expected to be there.
It's like Harold and Kumar. The first movie was dumb stoner comedy, but it was also very, very well-structured "plot." Two characters have goal, obstacles impede said goal, characters achieve goal and grow as characters as a result, Neil Patrick Harris?
But then the sequel to that had all of the funny pot jokes and gross-out comedy (all of which I like, in its way) and none of the nerdy, English major plot structure. It was an expectations game, I think. We didn't get the sequel we hoped for. And the sequel we hoped for would have been life-changing, in the way the first movie was for so many people.
tl;dr.
The_root_of_all_evil said:
Godfather changed my life. I couldn't really get behind part three though. Probably just because I think Sofia Coppolla is a crappy actor.
I'm kind of sick of everything turning into trilogies. Which is why it's so rad that Coheed & Cambria is a tetralogy. Ha!
I didn't hate Reloaded. However, to me it suffered from the usual problem that the second in a trilogy can often suffer from, in that nothing feels resolved and nothing makes sense if you haven't seen the first. In other words, as a film on its own, it just can't stand up.
Revolutions on the other hand... I really don't get why anybody could thing this to be anything more than a subpar action film with bullshit philosophy shoved in. The battle with the robots didn't work on so many levels and was ultimately irrelevant since it was obvious that no matter what happened, it would be Neo who decided the outcome of the movie, no-one else. You could have fast forwarded through most of that and you really wouldn't have missed anything important or interesting. Oh and don't get me started on the characters they briefly introduce just to get rid of. Why waste the time introducing them at all? It only makes Reloaded worse in retrospect since some of the events amount to virtually nothing. That's not even mentioning the glaring inconsistencies and plot holes (or perhaps Neo just has a really poor short term memory or something and was just making some of that shit up because he forgot, I dunno). Oh, and don't even get me started on the ending...
Revolutions on the other hand... I really don't get why anybody could thing this to be anything more than a subpar action film with bullshit philosophy shoved in. The battle with the robots didn't work on so many levels and was ultimately irrelevant since it was obvious that no matter what happened, it would be Neo who decided the outcome of the movie, no-one else. You could have fast forwarded through most of that and you really wouldn't have missed anything important or interesting. Oh and don't get me started on the characters they briefly introduce just to get rid of. Why waste the time introducing them at all? It only makes Reloaded worse in retrospect since some of the events amount to virtually nothing. That's not even mentioning the glaring inconsistencies and plot holes (or perhaps Neo just has a really poor short term memory or something and was just making some of that shit up because he forgot, I dunno). Oh, and don't even get me started on the ending...
Honestly, i didnt like Matrix reloaded, and i refused to watch #3...The thing was though, i had never expected the sequel to be as good as the original, i just felt like it was a really bad movie. Not much depth or intelligence, not much character development, in fact, nothing stands out for me (I watched it maybe 3 yrs ago?) except that one fight scene with all the Agent Smith's, and i remember being VERY unimpressed by that scene.
Not on the subject, but kind of, did anyone else think that (Liv Taylor?) was the only actress/actor in The Lord of the Rings who actually looked like an elf? anyways...love you escapist, WHOOOT!!
Not on the subject, but kind of, did anyone else think that (Liv Taylor?) was the only actress/actor in The Lord of the Rings who actually looked like an elf? anyways...love you escapist, WHOOOT!!
i liked the first 2 and still do.
but the third one just killed it for me. they spent two movies building up this super cool world, and then spent the last movie not being in it. Instead we get to see some lame characters we don't really care about, fighting in lame mechs, against lame robots. I want trench coats and bullet time people!
the main story should have always been in the matix and the stuff in Zion should have remained a side story.
had they given Morpheus and Trinity something cool to do in the matix while Neo did his whole dying for our sins thing, they could have kept the energy up, given us what we had came to expect from a matrix movie, and perhaps made the ending make a bit more sense.
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but the third one just killed it for me. they spent two movies building up this super cool world, and then spent the last movie not being in it. Instead we get to see some lame characters we don't really care about, fighting in lame mechs, against lame robots. I want trench coats and bullet time people!
the main story should have always been in the matix and the stuff in Zion should have remained a side story.
had they given Morpheus and Trinity something cool to do in the matix while Neo did his whole dying for our sins thing, they could have kept the energy up, given us what we had came to expect from a matrix movie, and perhaps made the ending make a bit more sense.
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I didnt mind the 2nd, the 3rd annoyed me as there was way too much time spent outside the Matrix, thats where all the good fight scenes take place.
this is like saying that alein 3 and alien: resurrection didn't shine in comparison to the first two. they were horrible.Futurenerd said:
/threadHubilub said:
that pretty much sums up my frustrations with the sequels. i have other specific gripes, but the fact that the focus shifted away from the Matrix never made any sense to me.
Certainly. The Matrix was a perfect <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat>Brain in a Vat movie. It made you question reality and did so in a cool way. The second movie didn't really so much add to that as it destroyed it entirely. I found there to be a lot of pointless scenes that didn't add anything. The second movie seemed like the director/producers said "hey audience guess what. We got a bigger budget!!!!Futurenerd said:
". In all honesty if you showed me Reloaded then the first one I would swear they weren't related and say somebody got sued for too many parallels. Although I will admit the second movie suffers from second-movie syndrome since it isn't supposed to have a beginning or conclude anything. The third movie keeps on the same path as the second and destroys any credibility to its philosophy. The first question we want answered is how are Neos magical powers working outside the matrix. The answer we get is that he is able to wirelessly connect to the matrix. Not really satisfying but ok. The movie just seems like it is just a series of scenes to explain why the climax exists. I personally would have accepted Morpheus or someone talking for five minutes and just showing the last 30-45 minutes of the movie. The ending is also very clichéd. I honestly expected more.
Something that would have exponentially increased the credibility of the trilogy's philosophy (and thus the trilogy would be better) was if Zion and that would was just another layer of the matrix(we will even assumed Cēterīs paribus). Now that would get people to question reality. If they are lucky, it would get people to have existential crisis.
Randall Monroe summarizes my feelings pretty well actually: I actually remember being entertained by both the sequels while in the theater. They just don't hold up nearly as well in later comparison.