I want a new March Madness to decide which is the best game devloper as decided on by the Escapist Community, not people who show up, vote once, then leave.
Why all the Zynga hate?
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I have tried to play and enjoy Mafia Wars. I did not enjoy it. and they do not deserve to win over much better games. But, they have a huge fan base.
Them bastards destroyed mah brackets!
Other than that, uh... I really don't like their games. They are horrid.
But I don't hate them. And I certainly don't go flame them in the MM threads.
If I was to try that I would just automatically facepalm at all the people arguing there. Not just the Zynga fans, but the people against Zynga.
No matter what side you are on, there will always be morons on it.
Other than that, uh... I really don't like their games. They are horrid.
But I don't hate them. And I certainly don't go flame them in the MM threads.
If I was to try that I would just automatically facepalm at all the people arguing there. Not just the Zynga fans, but the people against Zynga.
No matter what side you are on, there will always be morons on it.
I wouldn't care about this if it was any "developer" but Zynga.
Unfortunately it is, and I'm unhappy with this because any awards, even irrelevant ones like MM, legitamise all the illegal, cheap and underhanded tricks Zynga has used to get where it is.
The Escapist, in effect, says it's ok to do these things.
That, I am deeply unhappy with.
Unfortunately it is, and I'm unhappy with this because any awards, even irrelevant ones like MM, legitamise all the illegal, cheap and underhanded tricks Zynga has used to get where it is.
The Escapist, in effect, says it's ok to do these things.
That, I am deeply unhappy with.
If we take Facebook then what would a person do on Facebook without sensible quality application's like the games that Zynga releases? Nothing. Besides talking and creating fan pages there would not be anything else to do in Facebook. That's why Zynga has created this. A way for all people to just kill time while in office or in a boring computer class in school. Payment isn't mandatory and optional. The bonuses given by that are also mild and essentialy kinda dull.
But another issue that got raised by this ordeal is ''hardcore gaming''. I don't understand why people go into a nerdrage about young gamers, newcommers, casuals etc. People should get used to them. Hell we see these people on the streets. Also games aren't ment to be hard, grindy, cliche games anymore.
And yes I have played Zynga games and I have a Facebook account.
But another issue that got raised by this ordeal is ''hardcore gaming''. I don't understand why people go into a nerdrage about young gamers, newcommers, casuals etc. People should get used to them. Hell we see these people on the streets. Also games aren't ment to be hard, grindy, cliche games anymore.
And yes I have played Zynga games and I have a Facebook account.
True, this is a good point and I agree, but the main reason I dislike Zynga is that all of their games are blatant ripoffs of other games and that they have openly admitted to scamming their fans. Casual games are not the enemy (I personally love PopCap), but Zynga is.Zappa Daddy said:
The immense spam we get from internet trolls, the fact they aren't technically the best game "Developer" .... and more spam usually by 4chan in the form of explicit pictures.
Oh and a few months ago Zynga almost got ban-hammered when they were trying to scam money out of people in the form of Farmville, Mafia Wars etc.
Oh and a few months ago Zynga almost got ban-hammered when they were trying to scam money out of people in the form of Farmville, Mafia Wars etc.
Because VALVe, as a company, have done much more for the industry and for their customers and fans than Zynga ever has. IIRC, Zynga has used "every dirty trick in the book" to make money. That is not "best game developer" material at all.
PopCap games are original, fun to play, and have neat little appealing visuals. Zynga games look like pixellated bat droppings and,m on top of that, every time any one of your friends does anything in Farmville/Mafia Wars/whatever, YOU get a notification. "X person you don't care about just did Y thing you don't care about in game Z that you don't care about! Look! Pay attention! It's really goddamn important!"
VALVe have released extremely polished, award-winning games time after time after time. They've released STEAM, which, along with being a great way to distribute their own games, also allows other developers to hop on. They released Steamworks, allowing developers to keep all their games updated through steam. I'm pretty sure all of this is free (except the games themselves.) The Steam Overlay is probably one of the best things I never knew I needed until I used it.
VALVe could videotape Gabe Newell farting into a microphone and it would still be more creative than anything Zynga ever decided to copy, paste, and advertise.
The Escapist, from what I've seen, is a website for gamers, and gamers want to talk to other gamers about game-y things. I don't think the crowd of hyper-casual Zynga fans would mix in with all the regulars here who appreciate things like time, effort, and care. So, while it is nice we're bringing in more people, it's arguable whether these are the people that would fit in well enough to keep coming back and becoming a member of the gaming community.
PopCap games are original, fun to play, and have neat little appealing visuals. Zynga games look like pixellated bat droppings and,m on top of that, every time any one of your friends does anything in Farmville/Mafia Wars/whatever, YOU get a notification. "X person you don't care about just did Y thing you don't care about in game Z that you don't care about! Look! Pay attention! It's really goddamn important!"
VALVe have released extremely polished, award-winning games time after time after time. They've released STEAM, which, along with being a great way to distribute their own games, also allows other developers to hop on. They released Steamworks, allowing developers to keep all their games updated through steam. I'm pretty sure all of this is free (except the games themselves.) The Steam Overlay is probably one of the best things I never knew I needed until I used it.
VALVe could videotape Gabe Newell farting into a microphone and it would still be more creative than anything Zynga ever decided to copy, paste, and advertise.
The Escapist, from what I've seen, is a website for gamers, and gamers want to talk to other gamers about game-y things. I don't think the crowd of hyper-casual Zynga fans would mix in with all the regulars here who appreciate things like time, effort, and care. So, while it is nice we're bringing in more people, it's arguable whether these are the people that would fit in well enough to keep coming back and becoming a member of the gaming community.
Yeah..that's what I get for underestimating the power of Facebook.PayJ567 said:
I would also enjoy a more mainstream gaming audience. Hell, that's exactly what they use the Wii for. I just don't think that society is that dull. It makes it look like the only way to appease the masses is to create mini-games with little to no depth. It'll tend to the average guy, sure, but what does it do to the medium?
It reduces it. Slowly but surely, we've been escalating our medium to a point where it can rival film and literature in terms of story-telling. Just because it's a game doesn't mean the main character has to be a cutesy looking 1-dimensional farmer who has nothing better to do than farm whenever his master is on Facebook. Just because it's a game doesn't mean it can't be considered art.
It's like, if you had a "Top 64 Writers" bracket, would you put Stephenie Meyer with the likes of Stephen King or Orson Scott Card, just because it appeals to teenage girls?
its developer contest, so nobody should vote something like this. zynga ruining the game industry. the project is - how less can i do to get as much money from childs.
you get spammed everywhere by this shit. tv and internet are full of marketing about this stuff. -.-
they dont want to make you happy, they want your cash - this shouldnt by the reason to develop games.
i played games like this, years a go. "free" webbased, "free" mmorpg and and and.. you never had a chance without buying the "special-not free-items". totally useless, cause finally you pay more like on a good "normal" game to play it.
they dont should call it free then. they can call it a playable demo, like every respectablly developer will do.
but if i am wrong, and zynga games are really for free (haha!) - then it will be ok.
(i never tried zynga games, but games like em.)
you get spammed everywhere by this shit. tv and internet are full of marketing about this stuff. -.-
they dont want to make you happy, they want your cash - this shouldnt by the reason to develop games.
i played games like this, years a go. "free" webbased, "free" mmorpg and and and.. you never had a chance without buying the "special-not free-items". totally useless, cause finally you pay more like on a good "normal" game to play it.
they dont should call it free then. they can call it a playable demo, like every respectablly developer will do.
but if i am wrong, and zynga games are really for free (haha!) - then it will be ok.
(i never tried zynga games, but games like em.)
The idea that someone would even consider putting up the creators of FarmVille against the creators of Grand Theft Auto, Final Fantasy, Call of Duty, and Half Life makes me want to laugh. The reality of the creators of Farmville beating all of them is just sad.
Most of the people voting aren't gamers at all and have never even heard of the other companies. It's like... if I went to go see Transformers 2 having never seen an action movie before in my life. Then I say that Transformers 2 is the best action film ever created without even watching any other. Then people would shout "What about V for Vendetta? What about the Matrix? What about Sin City?" but I just wouldn't listen. And then I vote on Transformers 2 over one of those movies.
But now 4chan /b/ is involved and voters on both sides are spamming comments. I cannot wait until it's over. It's just a bunch of spam and idiots who will show up to vote and never do anything else.
Oh yeah, that and the fact that I can't check my FaceBook without an ad for one of their "games" popping up and spamming my page. I have no problem with casual games or the companies that make them, it's just that when you do what Evony did and spam everything and bombard me with ads then I get upset.
Most of the people voting aren't gamers at all and have never even heard of the other companies. It's like... if I went to go see Transformers 2 having never seen an action movie before in my life. Then I say that Transformers 2 is the best action film ever created without even watching any other. Then people would shout "What about V for Vendetta? What about the Matrix? What about Sin City?" but I just wouldn't listen. And then I vote on Transformers 2 over one of those movies.
But now 4chan /b/ is involved and voters on both sides are spamming comments. I cannot wait until it's over. It's just a bunch of spam and idiots who will show up to vote and never do anything else.
Oh yeah, that and the fact that I can't check my FaceBook without an ad for one of their "games" popping up and spamming my page. I have no problem with casual games or the companies that make them, it's just that when you do what Evony did and spam everything and bombard me with ads then I get upset.
Y'know I have nothing against them at all. I mean my favorite developer I was rooting for was Bungie and they lost to Blizzard which is also a good developer. But Zynga? Their games must be good enough for a heck of a lot of casual gamers but as good as a company like Valve, Bungie, Blizzard, Bioware... you can't even compare them. At all.
I wouldn't hate them if they kept to their own little facebook thing but if they sell out to their massive casual facebook players to click on a link where the other real developers' fans have to organize themselves in a contest to decide who the best developer is...
Unacceptable. Hope you like the added traffic Escapist. You're not gonna get many people to actually stay or even join afterward. I've looked around on other developer's forums and they're mostly like. "Wow, Zynga's winning? That kills any credibility the Escapist has." Sure it ain't the Escapists fault but that what it looks like to a newcomer.
I wouldn't hate them if they kept to their own little facebook thing but if they sell out to their massive casual facebook players to click on a link where the other real developers' fans have to organize themselves in a contest to decide who the best developer is...
Unacceptable. Hope you like the added traffic Escapist. You're not gonna get many people to actually stay or even join afterward. I've looked around on other developer's forums and they're mostly like. "Wow, Zynga's winning? That kills any credibility the Escapist has." Sure it ain't the Escapists fault but that what it looks like to a newcomer.
Hooo boy flames are gonna come your way.Zappa Daddy said:
But yeah, I respect how successful they are.
But they've lied, stolen, cheated and illegally installed spyware on unsuspecting potential gamers. They're hardly the nicest company, and most people don't even think they should be in March Madness.
Plus it seemed like they called in the facebook hordes to sign in, vote, and leave. In doing so almost ruining March Madness.
It's because they're being propelled up the "Best List" on no merits other than casual player appeal. That's NOT how one becomes "Best Game Studio".
Also, because they cynically admitted to being scammers, and have acted like tools at award ceremonies. I view them as the "brokeNCYDE" of game developers.
Also, because they cynically admitted to being scammers, and have acted like tools at award ceremonies. I view them as the "brokeNCYDE" of game developers.
Yeahhhh that was a huge mistake on the summoners part. I think that may have also ruined it somewhat.......lacktheknack said:
The thing is, the whole March Mayhem thing is a contest for best game developer just in theory. Leaving aside the facebook hordes, how many of us "non-casual" gamers can honestly say they've got enough information and have weighed it all in their mind to determine who's been a better game developer in the last year among any two that have been one against each other so far? It's usually a matter of which games or styles of games one prefers.internetzealot1 said:
And zynga has the obvious advantage of facebook connect.
Farmville is just an insignificant timewaster used by the teeming hordes of Facebook users when they get bored of messaging their friends back and forth and have nothing else to do, or by parents with a Facebook trying to claim themselves amongst the ranks of REAL gamers who play games like Half Life.
It's being compared to Valve, and if it wins it's probably going to be compared to Blizzard.
Just think about that, and compare their games and franchises:
Valve:
Half-Life series
Counterstrike series
Team Fortress series
Left 4 Dead series
Portal (soon to become a series)
Blizzard:
Lost Vikings
World of Warcraft series
Diablo series
Starcraft series
Zynga:
FarmVille
Cafe World
FishVille
And a hellalot more
The problem is that Zynga is not a bad game developer, it's just being compared to the legendary-status game developers.
So, as to stop arguing I probably won't read or consider:
Just think about that, and compare their games and franchises:
Valve:
Half-Life series
Counterstrike series
Team Fortress series
Left 4 Dead series
Portal (soon to become a series)
Blizzard:
Lost Vikings
World of Warcraft series
Diablo series
Starcraft series
Zynga:
FarmVille
Cafe World
FishVille
And a hellalot more
The problem is that Zynga is not a bad game developer, it's just being compared to the legendary-status game developers.
So, as to stop arguing I probably won't read or consider: