Why am i such a coward?

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Realistically, as in your example, if she were already being attended to by her friends and family, then the human instinct for spectacle might kick in and I might go to see if she's all right but then again I might not; it's not my problem and there's nothing I can realistically do to help her that her friends/family aren't doubtless already doing. I realise this sounds selfish and maybe I'm just a cynical and bad person but I won't lose sleep over it.

You should only feel guilty - the self-torturing kind - if she was alone - with no-one connected to her attending to her - and you just walked on by.

EDIT: Should point out that if said connected people are undermanned than naturally you should go see if you can help. Wow, I'm in a cold and detached mood today.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
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Haha, look at him run!

Seriously though...you're expecting to be able to think calmly and rationally at a point of high emotion?
You've learnt one valuable lesson : Be prepared for the unlikely: And are trying to learn how to be prepared for next time. I think you've nothing to be ashamed of.
Thanks for the vote of confidence, but for me there was no emotion, just cold steel rationality, if there was some spark of compassion maybe i would have got involved but it was as if i made the most clear and rational decision of my life.

In hind sight I don't think it was even a conscious thought, I can remember standing there until i saw her friends rush out from the cab and then something ticked and made me move on, i looked on as though it was the smallest accident and not a life threatening one...
 

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Its called the social diffusion of responsibility. It is a proven concept in sociology and its basically dead on what you just described. If something negative is happening to someone in public you are less likely to do so because there are others around you. The effect is increased when more people are present in that public area. Studies have been done to prove this concept, you are not a coward. While yes, you could have done something to help that woman, your normal line of logical thinking and your perspective were distorted temporarily by this phenomenon.
 
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sulld1 said:
if there was some spark of compassion maybe i would have got involved but it was as if i made the most clear and rational decision of my life.
You made a clear and rational decision. You didn't know what to do.

Most Doctors, Army-men etc. do what they do due to sheer practice. Even if you asked them why they helped they'd just say "Because...I needed to".

Next time, need to help. Then you will. Wanting to help means you'll stand there going "What do I do next?"

Most professionals can trace the time where they first froze, and now they won't, because it haunts them - like this obviously haunted you.
 

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My story isn't one of being too cowardly to help another, but too cowardly to help myself. This isn't a rape story, so try not to be disappointed with the ending. I apologize for the depressing material, and I also bet that some people will think I'm a whiny feminazi, or something along those lines. But this is how I experienced it.

On the last day of term before Christmas break at my university, I ended up spending 12 hours straight working on my final project. I woke up at 8:30am, got to school at 9am, and worked on the project until 9pm with only a small thirty-minute lunch break for the whole day. When I was finally done I was ecstatic because it was finally over, I was incredibly proud of my work, and I was free for a whole two weeks of vacation.

By the time I left the school it had already gotten dark and I was alone, but I live literally a block from the school and didn't think much of it. Between my school and my apartment is a small bridge followed by a badly lit path through the park. Walking home I was whistling and I had a bounce in my step because I was so happy to be free of my classes. I was already planning getting home and cracking a few beers and playing some games to celebrate.

Halfway across the bridge I spotted three loud guys on the dark path that goes through the park. It was a Friday night and they were all carrying half empty bottles. Upon spotting them I stopped moving and started contemplating back tracking to the well-lit, populated recreation center that I had passed earlier, when one of them noticed me and called out, "Hey sweetheart, don't be afraid, we won't hurt you!"

I can't really explain why, but that got my feet moving and I continued walking towards them. Having them talk to me made them seem human and less scary, even if being called "sweetheart" by a stranger was a bit of a red flag. People in our culture, particularly women, are taught to be polite in all situations, and when you've lived your entire life trying to please and avoid offending others, it's difficult to break that cycle, even if you perceive danger.

As I got closer it was obvious I should have turned around. One of the three guys was obviously high and/or drunk out of his mind, but ceased to be a threat because he lay down on a hedge and pretty much passed out. Another of the guys seemed slightly embarrassed that his friend had called me over and avoided eye contact. The third guy watched me coming and started asking me a bunch of questions, ie, "Hey baby, whatcha out here for, where you come from, do you go to the school?" They had positioned themselves so I had to walk right through their group to get past.
I told him that yes, I did go to the school.
"Well I like art students, especially short blond ones."
I continued walking.
"Where are you going? Why don't you come out with us, it's a Friday night sweetheart!"
"No", I told him, "I just got done my final project, I'm going to go home and celebrate"(stupid, why would they care or need to know about your project?)

I continued to be harassed. The guy made comments about my butt, my boobs, my hair, my waist, what he wanted to do to me, where he wanted to take me, kept calling me pet names, etc. A couple of times he got uncomfortably close to me, but never touched me, and I never stopped walking. His friend looked awkward but didn't tell him to lay off. The entire time the hairs were standing up on the back of my neck, I was terrified and feared for my safety, but never once did I stop being polite or smiling. Part of it was not being able to stop, as being polite is my default personality setting and it's not easy to turn off. Another part of it was that I was subconsciously trying to prevent provoking this guy. As much as I was scared and as much as I wanted to tell him to stop, I didn't want to make him angry.

Finally, the path split off and it looked like we were headed in different directions. This is where I feel most like a coward. He continues to try to get me to come out with him, and I say, "No, I'm going to keep going this way, but have a nice night".

That's the part that still bothers me today. I had this creep sexually harassing me and impeding on my rights and I told him to have a nice goddamn night. He felt entitled to my body, addressed me like an object, made me fearful, and I rewarded him courtesy. I know in the back of my mind that it was a self-preservation instinct, that I was trying to non-threateningly end the encounter and leave without being hurt, but that doesn't change the fact that I feel like a spineless, misogynist coward for letting this asshole get away with speaking to me like that. He probably went off to some party and made a dozen other women uncomfortable if not worse.
He also got to saunter away, go on with his life and never think twice about the encounter again, while I got to go home and feel dirty, relive my moment of cowardice in my head many times over, and spend the next several weeks afraid when walking home. It's particularly hurtful because I think all people believe that if they were to ever find themselves in a compromising position, they'd be brave, act fast, whatever. I think we all scream at protagonists in horror movies for not doing "what we would do in that situation". However, once you're actually there, fear and self-preservation take hold and you don't do the smart thing. It's difficult coming to terms with the fact that your perception of yourself as a strong, smart person who can handle themselves is shattered.

I also don't think men really realize how damaging cat calling is. If it's daytime and you're in a public area, the woman will think your a jerk. If it's night and she's alone, you're going to make her fear for her life. Neither situation is enjoyable for the woman.

The main thing that I've noticed about cat calling is that it almost always happens when men are in groups. It's never an attempt to actually pick up women, but to reinforce your masculinity and power, and strengthen bonds with other males - but is a macho show for friends really worth degrading another human being?

I wish it wasn't.

Guys out there, I hope you appreciate that you can go out at 10pm and pick up milk, walk home from parties, or go out to enjoy the sound of the city at night if it so pleases you. Because that's not a privilege we all have.

Conidering there were two of them, cowardice might be a strong word. And I know what you mean about the freezing up. Being male i've never had to deal with catcalls (or maybe im not an attractive enough male xD), but I have been heckled by people walking places. Its like my mind shuts down or goes to its default setting, and I just start grinning like an idiot at comments. Always feel horrible about myself after, wishing I would have stood up for myself someway.
 

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MasochisticMuse said:
My story isn't one of being too cowardly to help another, but too cowardly to help myself. This isn't a rape story, so try not to be disappointed with the ending. I apologize for the depressing material, and I also bet that some people will think I'm a whiny feminazi, or something along those lines. But this is how I experienced it.

On the last day of term before Christmas break at my university, I ended up spending 12 hours straight working on my final project. I woke up at 8:30am, got to school at 9am, and worked on the project until 9pm with only a small thirty-minute lunch break for the whole day. When I was finally done I was ecstatic because it was finally over, I was incredibly proud of my work, and I was free for a whole two weeks of vacation.

By the time I left the school it had already gotten dark and I was alone, but I live literally a block from the school and didn't think much of it. Between my school and my apartment is a small bridge followed by a badly lit path through the park. Walking home I was whistling and I had a bounce in my step because I was so happy to be free of my classes. I was already planning getting home and cracking a few beers and playing some games to celebrate.

Halfway across the bridge I spotted three loud guys on the dark path that goes through the park. It was a Friday night and they were all carrying half empty bottles. Upon spotting them I stopped moving and started contemplating back tracking to the well-lit, populated recreation center that I had passed earlier, when one of them noticed me and called out, "Hey sweetheart, don't be afraid, we won't hurt you!"

I can't really explain why, but that got my feet moving and I continued walking towards them. Having them talk to me made them seem human and less scary, even if being called "sweetheart" by a stranger was a bit of a red flag. People in our culture, particularly women, are taught to be polite in all situations, and when you've lived your entire life trying to please and avoid offending others, it's difficult to break that cycle, even if you perceive danger.

As I got closer it was obvious I should have turned around. One of the three guys was obviously high and/or drunk out of his mind, but ceased to be a threat because he lay down on a hedge and pretty much passed out. Another of the guys seemed slightly embarrassed that his friend had called me over and avoided eye contact, but he had a pretty creepy air about him. The third guy watched me coming and started asking me a bunch of questions, ie, "Hey baby, whatcha out here for, where you come from, do you go to the school?" They had positioned themselves so I had to walk right through their group to get past.
I told him that yes, I did go to the school.
"Well I like art students, especially short blond ones."
The tone of voice was not friendly. I continued walking.
"Where are you going? Why don't you come out with us, it's a Friday night sweetheart!"
"No", I told him, "I just got done my final project, I'm going to go home and celebrate"(stupid, why would they care or need to know about your project?)

They followed me and I continued to be harassed. The guy made comments about my butt, my boobs, my hair, my waist, what he wanted to do to me, where he wanted to take me, kept calling me pet names, etc. A couple of times he got uncomfortably close to me, but never touched me, and I never stopped walking. His friend looked awkward but didn't tell him to lay off. The entire time the hairs were standing up on the back of my neck, I was terrified and feared for my safety, but never once did I stop being polite or smiling. Part of it was not being able to stop, as being polite is my default personality setting and it's not easy to turn off. Another part of it was that I was subconsciously trying to prevent provoking this guy. As much as I was scared and as much as I wanted to tell him to stop, I didn't want to make him angry. I don't want to paint it as though I was happily receiving the attention though. Anyone could have been able to tell I was highly uncomfortable - I was avoiding eye contact, giving short one-word answers, declining all their advances, my voice was shaky and I was walking quickly and never slowed down.

Finally, the path split off and it looked like we were headed in different directions. This is where I feel most like a coward. He continues to try to get me to come out with him with implications of date rape, and I say, "No, I'm going to keep going this way, but have a nice night".

That's the part that still bothers me today. I had this creep sexually harassing me and impeding on my rights and I told him to have a nice goddamn night. He felt entitled to my body, addressed me like an object, made me fearful, and I rewarded him courtesy. I know in the back of my mind that it was a self-preservation instinct, that I was trying to non-threateningly end the encounter and leave without being hurt, but that doesn't change the fact that I feel like a spineless, misogynist coward for letting this asshole get away with speaking to me like that. He probably went off to some party and made a dozen other women uncomfortable if not worse.
He also got to saunter away, go on with his life and never think twice about the encounter again, while I got to go home and feel dirty, relive my moment of cowardice in my head many times over, and spend the next several weeks afraid when walking home. It's particularly hurtful because I think all people believe that if they were to ever find themselves in a compromising position, they'd be brave, act fast, whatever. I think we all scream at protagonists in horror movies for not doing "what we would do in that situation". However, once you're actually there, fear and self-preservation take hold and you don't do the smart thing. It's difficult coming to terms with the fact that your perception of yourself as a strong, smart person who can handle themselves is wrong.

I also don't think men really realize how damaging cat calling is. If it's daytime and you're in a public area, the woman will think your a jerk. If it's night and she's alone, you're going to make her fear for her life. Neither situation is enjoyable for the woman.

The main thing that I've noticed about cat calling is that it almost always happens when men are in groups. It's never an attempt to actually pick up women, but to reinforce your masculinity and power, and strengthen bonds with other males - but is a macho show for friends really worth degrading another human being?

I wish it wasn't.

Guys out there, I hope you appreciate that you can go out at 10pm and pick up milk, walk home from parties, or go out to enjoy the sound of the city at night if it so pleases you. Because that's not a privilege we all have.
If you had of acted in a different manner it could have turned out a whole lot worse for you, because you were polite and courteous they had no reason to do anything more than what they did, in the situation i would not say you were a coward at all, you kept your cool and yes you came out of there feeling violated but at least it was only your pride... So i think what you did was the best thing in the situation and i commend you.
 

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spartan1077 said:
sulld1 said:
You would do that and it wouldn't bother you? or would you just freeze and not be able to do anything?

I personally would like to help anyone, but when it was time to step up to the plate i froze and did the complete opposite...
Wouldn't bother me. It'd be a good chance to see how others react in the situation. And if I'm the only one there, I can see how someone reacts while in pain or while unconscious. It'd be a good learning experience, to say the least.
You are disgusting.
 

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Diffusion of responsibility. Is it normal? Yes. Is it good? No. In this case, it seems like there actually was someone else helping out, but still.

Personally, I could stand to learn from the stereotype. I've attempted to help people a couple times only to get reactions to the effect of "what's wrong with you?" from them.

That, and one of the times when I got hit by a car (I seem to be a car magnet or something), my reaction was to get up, limp over to the car and check that everyone in it was okay. I admit, that probably was quite stupid of me.
 

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A recent cracked article gave a scientific explanation for this occurrence. Simply put, people won't help someone in need in a public place as long as someone else is there because they assume that someone else will help them. You can't fight science bro.
 

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OP, she seemed to have had enough support from famil friends. You're all good.

If she was pushed out of the cab by a boyfriend who then got out and began to harrass her you would have also been right to keep walking. Maybe call the cops, but you're never obliged to put your life on the line.

Unless you're Phoenix Jones!
 

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I hope I'd help, I think I would, not because "I'm one badass mofo" or anything, I just don't fear death that much, again, not in a "I'm one badass mofo" way, I've just never been that close to death, so who knows until you've been there?
 

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AccursedTheory said:
loc978 said:
Honestly, in the situation with the old lady and the cab, I would have done something similar. Not just look away, but watch to ascertain no help was needed. Sounds like it was under control, to me.

...with Accursed's story, well... I would've given the guy one order to stop at gunpoint and shot him twice, center of mass, if he didn't comply immediately... but then, I have the advantage of always carrying around a .45 loaded with hollow points...
Would you really even need a gun though?

It's really not that hard to subdue someone if their not paying attention to you. Seriously, all you have to do is grab his knife wrist and twist. And even if you aren't physically proficient, surely you could just give the bastard a running boot to the face/throat/neck.

As someone who's almost finished six years in a job that asks me to serve and protect, maybe I'm a bit brainwashed into this, but is the average person really so disconnected from his fellow man that their suffering doesn't warrant action?
I don't think people are really "disconnected", as you say... it's just that modern man is a domesticated animal. Most people, like the OP, would like to be able to help, but lack the ability to make that decision on the fly. It's not really their fault; they simply don't have the- excuse the colloquialism- gumption to help out if they haven't been trained or otherwise prepared for it.
 

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perfectly natural
there's even a Wikipedia page about this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somebody_Else%27s_Problem
 

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I was walking with a friend in school when a 2 guys started attacking and fighting him. In the split second I had before I was pushes aside by all the people running to see the fight, I just stood there and watched. I wanted to help, but I couldnt do it. I went to go in after, but then I was pushed aside. I couldnt get back in and I helped by stopping it, but I felt like complete crap that I didnt react straight away. I guess it was cause of my lack of self confidence, but still, I felt pretty crap about it.
 

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But, there was one time when I was out with my sister (whose an adult) and our parents. We were walking when a guy walking with his mate shouted right into her face, my dad got into an argument with him, the police got involved, etc. I completely went inside my self, just trying to stay close to my family as we got out of there. I was like twelve at the time, so I suppose that's to be expected but still. The worst part, now that I think about it, was that this was in an incredibly public place, a shopping center for Christ's sake, and no-one did fucking anything. People really fucking annoy me sometimes.
 

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Its understandable that you dont want to get invovlved with other peoples business even if they need aid due to the fact that you could get injured or killed in the process, add to the fact that nowadays if you render aid but in doing so you cause a injury to the person some folks are so dishonourable that they might turn around and sue you for your trouble.
 

Pandaman1911

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You're not a coward. Something happened, the matter was attended to, and it was none of your concern anyway. You shouldn't be faulted for going about your day as usual.
 

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AccursedTheory said:
Darkauthor81 said:
sulld1 said:
The age old question "would you help someone in need?" Now this is a obvious, the answer is always yes you would, but have you ever been in a situation when you could help and you did not? I shall tell you my story.

On my way back to my university residence i am walking through a town square and a taxi is driving through it about 20-25 metres away, as it drives along the door opens and a middle age woman falls out and her head impacts the cobbled stone beneath, at this point she is obviously knocked out cold with possible/probably head injuries, her friends or family rush out of the cab to help her.
At this point i am the only other soul in the square but do i rush to her aid or do i call the ambulance service to aid this woman in need. The answer is no, no i don't i put my head down and keep walking... WHAT?

I turn to you escapists not to help me or to justify my actions but I turn to you to ask "what would you do if someone was in need?" Am i the only one who is a complete and utter coward?

Finally i would like to say i hope with my whole heart the woman is okay and that she makes a full recovery...
We live in a very self centric society. Keep your head down. It's not your problem. Someone else will get involved I'm too busy. In almost every other society people have the exact opposite reaction.

Not us though. No you hear about people getting raped, beaten, robbed, killed while people walk on or take pictures with their cell phones.

It's sick. It's sad. Welcome to America. The land of "It's your problem not mine"
It's not an American problem: its happens everywhere.

Korea's about the only place I know of where this is not common. And that's due to the loose way they define 'family.'

spartan1077 said:
There are tons of studies on it that are still being done to this day. And I've read a lot of them, they're quite interesting. But I don't see why wanting to see what others do in that situation is 'disgusting'
You wouldn't help someone who is, quite likely, in danger of dieing (You do know how catastrophic the simplest head bump can become, don't you?), EVEN IF YOU WERE THE ONLY ONE AROUND.

That is disgusting.
While I may not agree that this apathy is as wide spread as you claim I do agree with your assessment of Spartan1077 as being a disturbed individual.
 

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spartan1077 said:
sulld1 said:
You would do that and it wouldn't bother you? or would you just freeze and not be able to do anything?

I personally would like to help anyone, but when it was time to step up to the plate i froze and did the complete opposite...
Wouldn't bother me. It'd be a good chance to see how others react in the situation. And if I'm the only one there, I can see how someone reacts while in pain or while unconscious. It'd be a good learning experience, to say the least.
You are either a callous sociopath, or a troll.

Good day.