Why are Americans so Patriotic?

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The Gnome King

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interspark said:
it might be just an unfair stereotype, but it's generally believed that if you badmouth america, any nearby americans will go up in arms and get very angry, and i'm just wondering why. Just to clarify, i have nothing against america, but i hardly think it's anything to write home about. and don't say that anyone would be that way about their home country, because if someone came up to be and said "hey, england's crap!" i'd just say "yeah, it is a bit"
I think quite a few nationalities are patriotic, not just Americans. Try badmouthing Iran to an Iranian, for example. Many people take pride in their nation.

I'm not necessarily one of those people. I'm more of a one world/one world government type person, myself.

It's like saying "All Asians are good at math" or "All British people have bad teeth and stay calm and carry on" - stereotypes, mostly. I know quite a few Americans who would live this sinking ship if they could. ;)
 

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Whytewulf said:
Axyun said:
Like videogames, countries have their fanboys and they don't represent the majority.
I would disgagree. I would suspect the majority of Americans are Patriotic. You may not always like the actions our government takes, but you can still be patriotic. I suspect the people on this forum, are more the minority, representing specific interests and are often vocal about youth like topics. Which is usually Vogue to speak out against the leadership or actions of those we didn't vote for or grow up with.
There's a difference between being objectively patriotic (me + most Americans) and being blindly patriotic (few Americans) and throwing a hissy fit when the country is criticized like the OP stated.

I didn't say the majority of Americans aren't patriotic (the truth is quite the opposite), just that we are not raving jingoists like the OP made us out to be.
 

Imperiused

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I'm American, and I'm rather fond of this country, but I am far from patriotic. I sometimes feel that I judge my nation a little harshly sometimes. And sometimes not harshly enough.
 

Whytewulf

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What I find interesting, in this decent question, is it often brings out the "I hate America because" people. What I think people confuse Patriotism with is Narcassism or Jingoism, which there are many people out there like that, but that's not the question you asked. But I think overall, the majority would be a patriot called up to defend their country, not just in a war but through words, debate and positive action.

Being a Patriot and standing up for your country's core values is important. It's a very cultural thing in the US. "Proud to be an America", "Born in the USA", "Made in America", etc. We are a young country, born out of rebellion, we are less than 250 years old. We also became a very powerful country, very quickly, with our industrialism and powerful military, we became leaders in the World. This is why many countries tried to emulate the US and in some case still are.

What I think people focus too much on, is where we are at today, or what we've done in the last 10 years. There is a lot more to a country than it's latest act. Anyone older than 30, remembers the 80's, when there was the cold war, and it was the US vs. the USSR, people were taking sides to some extent. Outside of the 50's I suspect that was such a high period of pride and capital excess that made other developing countries want to be like that. We focus so much on our mistakes of the last decade that they also forget some of the great things done in the last 250 years that lead to the US being what it is today. We may bend, we may sway, but I think the core values are still there. I surely hope we still stand proud and can be a top country in the next 20 years.

Why do kids say the Pledge of Allegience? Why not. Why can't you say you will be allegient to your country? People forget not long ago there were too many questions about such things. Allegience isn't blind obedience though. Not doing so, could easily lead to destruction of the country from the inside. And though people may think that is a good, I don't we are ready to start over.

Freedom and liberty, are traditions in the US that you don't get everywhere else. I am talking in the grand scale not isolotated incidents, which I think occur everywhere, but the US has so much openness all warts are shown. We can't hide anything. You may think that US is heading into a bad direction, and I may agree, we have a lot of things to fix, but some can't be fixed over night. I get a bit miffed when people talk about problems, without offering solutions. So point out a problem and a suggestion, but don't think there are only problems. My goodness, look at all the good the US does. It's great that we can bring them to forefront and addresss them. So people over 50 still remember their parents talking of WWII, and during thar period pride swelled, industralism flourished, scientific discoveries were numerous. The US has done a lot of good things in the past and still do today, but people would rather focus on the issues or in many case focus on the superficial (Top news stories are Michael Jackson's Dr., Lindsey Posing Nude, someone having a 20th kid) and it drives me nuts..

So in the end, the US is a proud country and will defend her. I think some of it, we think we are the protector, big kid on the block, so we believe we have to put on a good face. But really, there is a lot to be proud of, so why not? Again Patriosm is good, Jingoism not so much.
 

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Axyun said:
Whytewulf said:
Axyun said:
Like videogames, countries have their fanboys and they don't represent the majority.
I would disgagree. I would suspect the majority of Americans are Patriotic. You may not always like the actions our government takes, but you can still be patriotic. I suspect the people on this forum, are more the minority, representing specific interests and are often vocal about youth like topics. Which is usually Vogue to speak out against the leadership or actions of those we didn't vote for or grow up with.
There's a difference between being objectively patriotic (me + most Americans) and being blindly patriotic (few Americans) and throwing a hissy fit when the country is criticized like the OP stated.

I didn't say the majority of Americans aren't patriotic (the truth is quite the opposite), just that we are not raving jingoists like the OP made us out to be.
Then I agree, and I misunderstood your comments. I didn't read the OP saying the people he was referring to as being "raving jingosits" just defending their country. I am a fan of the country and would defend the US, but I wouldn't say everything we do is great. Heck, I like a good debate. It's one reason I stay here. I like to visit other countries, but none have caught my eye as a place I would rather go to.
 

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We have a lot of differing perspectives here. I personally don't particularly take offense this stereotype because I have encountered it many times. I'm not exactly sure why we have so many outspoken "patriots" here, but the truth is that the cast majority are calm people who, like me, don't really care. The obnoxious ones are just the most vocal.
 

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Having patriotism for a country is the only way the country in question can survive. Would the Romans for example have lasted for over a thousand years if everyone said, "Man Rome sucks. Let's get the hell out of here." No they wouldn't have.

Patriotism is encouraged for a well-to-do country that has established and accomplished many great things in its time and provides a certain quality of life for its people. If a country is a shit-hole controlled by a corrupt government or consumed in crime and civil war then obviously the people wouldn't have much reason to be patriotic over it. Places like England and Rome? They had empires that covered much of the world, they did something worthy of being recognized.

So America may be young on the world stage but we have accomplished a great deal in just 235 years, we became a super-power for a reason. I hesitate to call it the American Empire but if you think about it America is sort of following in the footsteps of Rome and England when it was an Empire.
 

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BlackStar42 said:
How'd you work that out? Norway's existed since 872, Sweden since about the 6th century, England's been with us for roughly 1000 years, Britain since 1707, France since 987 etc.
I was thinking of Germany, mostly, and then Belgium, Austria, Hungary, Greece, pretty much every Balkan country, Poland, former Czechoslovakia, Finland, the Baltic states (?) and Ireland. Too lazy to look up Romania. Probably a bunch of those little postage stamp countries too.

And American national identity has existed longer than some of those nations, even those with histories stretching back before Roman times.
 
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Eh I'm American and if you told me "Your country kinda sucks" I'd say yeah it does but I can't really think of anywhere much better. I've got a good life, I can't complain. Every country kinda sucks in their own special way.
 

maturin

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"Patriotism is the conviction that your country is superior to all others because you were born in it."
 

Peteron

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Well, that's because we are America. I haven't searched the pages yet but i'm sure there is an "America, Fuck Yeah!" link somewhere.
 

Marcus Kehoe

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I Have little Patriotism simpily for the fact its pride, and pride is wrong. I can never fight for my country due to flt feet but I take that as a blessing so I won't have to go kill people for a reason I likely don't know(all war is wrong). I have also recently given up saying the pledge because I don't give my aligence to any man, only god Jehovah.
 

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Vivi22 said:
Sizzle Montyjing said:
If you like it for the 'wrong' reasons if you will...
As in, you shouldn't like Britain because it enslaved thousands of Africans.
Much in the same way as you shouldn't be patriotic about going to war.
Indeed. And I would actually add to this that sometimes patriotism, particularly in the most prevalent view of American patriotism, gets jumbled in with such things as unquestioning loyalty to ones government, president or military. And I think that's the most disturbing thing about some people's view of patriotism.

There's nothing wrong with loving where you come from, but it's how you show your appreciation for that place. For example, I'd argue that blind loyalty to ones government is a form of undesirable patriotism, whereas questioning your government and demanding accountability when you feel they went off the rails is something that I feel is a better form of patriotism. It shows you actually care about where you live because you want to make sure that government isn't run like a wolf set lose in a hen house. I could go on, but that's the biggest problem with what I think the rest of the world views as American patriotism.

That's not to say that that's how everyone acts. Clearly that is not the case and it's simply a very vocal minority.
Nah dude, everyone loves America. Not everyone is gung ho about it but I guarantee you, start up a "USA, USA" chant most public gatherings, especially sports events, and almost everyone will join in. I know plenty of redneck, people who are like what you're saying, but most people just love America and the ideals it was founded on. I promise you those people aren't all thinking of unquestionable loyalty to the government because half the people there probably hate the current party in power. I mean all you have to do is look at Occupy Wall Street and you'll see how much people love protesting. We protest the shit out of things here, even things that don't need protesting! And everyone should support the military as a group of citizens dedicated to their country. Deploying the military to various places and the situations surrounding those? Meh, but the military itself? Always support them!
 

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If you ask me Americans are depressed. Everybody in America is talking about our problems; if there's ever a possibility of war people whine the government into submission. It's economy this and foreign relations that. People wouldn't care if we resurrected Gandhi and put him in charge of North Korea, they'd be throwing a fit at the latest "scandal". The only good news that gets reported is either ignored or downplayed, in favor of blaming the President for not fixing every problem in a day.
 

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interspark said:
i have nothing against america, but i hardly think it's anything to write home about.
If your home isn't interesting enough to write home about, perhaps you should move to someplace which is.
 

tjbond911

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Daystar Clarion said:
Let them have their patriotism.

Their country is still new, they still have time to do a few more war crimes, maybe colonise some places, kill the natives etc.

You're only young once.


*sips tea*

Yes, quite.
Um actually America has colonized and killed many natives. And I'm not just referring to Native AMericans but Cuba, the Philippines, etc. Haven't you ever heard of American Imperialism?
 

CulixCupric

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I'm thinking of moving to Australia when I'm older. eh... USA isn't as great as it thinks it is. I live in the US.

the US is not all of America.
 

tjbond911

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I believe it's because of 9/11. If you look at American culture pre and post 9/11 there are many examples of increased patriotism, ex: French Fries becoming "Freedom Fries" (temporarily).
 

CrimsonBlaze

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I guess Americans are patriotic because we feels as though we need to be an 'example' to the world. Pretty egotistical, I know, but then again, that's not always a bad thing.