I don't quite understand the avid, pointless patriotism. But I believe the older folks here haven't quite realized that World War 2 and the Cold War are over. As soon as our generation becomes dominant in the population, this will die out.
Why are Americans so Patriotic?
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I expect royalties from this 'fan club'.Dr Snakeman said:
I won't put my face on a t-shirt for less than 75 percent.
Hardly. Some of the Republican presidential candidates believe Lincoln should have let the Confederacy secede.zehydra said:
Look guys (and girls), I live in a country that is (politically) about 18 years old. Historically, we've been around from 7th century. We are still recovering from the last war and genocides in Europe. (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_Yugoslavia )
And I can't understand the point of *any* patriotism. It was patriotism that started most (if not all) wars in the human history. Because of Serbian and ours (Croatian) patriotism I was forced to grow up in a country that was (and still paritally is) based on coruption and hegemony. I just can't see the point of it.
And I've been to America during this summer and while (like previous posts have pointed out), most Americans just don't bother with it, the things we see (patriotism and such) as outsiders portray US as a very different nation than it actually is.
And I can't understand the point of *any* patriotism. It was patriotism that started most (if not all) wars in the human history. Because of Serbian and ours (Croatian) patriotism I was forced to grow up in a country that was (and still paritally is) based on coruption and hegemony. I just can't see the point of it.
And I've been to America during this summer and while (like previous posts have pointed out), most Americans just don't bother with it, the things we see (patriotism and such) as outsiders portray US as a very different nation than it actually is.
one of those old propaganda PSA oddly enoughtrollnystan said:
sorry cant find it for you as the name escapes me and youtube side links are not helping
I pointed out that I didn't mean everybody and that I was generalizing. Also, I'm glad that you think your right, I guess somebody has to.Matthew94 said:
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Relax, I think Volf is just backtracking, he knows he's lost the arguement and is probably trying to declare most of his posts as ''miscommunications'' before someone reports him for having next to no clue about what he's talking about (at least I LIVE in Northern Ireland and so have some say in the conversation)Matthew94 said:
Because we're fed crap about how our country is God's greatest gift to mankind from the age of two. We get patriotism shoved down our throat before we're able to make our own decisions. That's why we're so patriotic. Because we're told to be.
And that's also a huge reason why all countries are patriotic. Because they're told to be from a young age. We just get told sooner and more vigorously than most.
And that's also a huge reason why all countries are patriotic. Because they're told to be from a young age. We just get told sooner and more vigorously than most.
Britain is more patriotic, according to surveys.
Citizens of superpowers and former superpowers have a lot of pride. Does this really need a topic?
The notion that patriotism is love of your country and nationalism is aggressive jingoism or supremacism is flat-out wrong. It's using the current connotations of words rather than the actual definitions.
Patriotism can't exist without nationalism. Nationalism is the belief that your national group is unique and ought to have its own independent state. Patriotism is a just a nice way of describing nationalistic feeling in a country that already exists.
So yeah, I'm a nationalist. I think Americans are a specific group of people that are distinct from other people, and I think they should continue to inhabit a state with the borders that currently exist.
Citizens of superpowers and former superpowers have a lot of pride. Does this really need a topic?
This annoys me. I don't disagree with your sentiment, but you aren't actually using the meanings of the words.MelasZepheos said:
The notion that patriotism is love of your country and nationalism is aggressive jingoism or supremacism is flat-out wrong. It's using the current connotations of words rather than the actual definitions.
Patriotism can't exist without nationalism. Nationalism is the belief that your national group is unique and ought to have its own independent state. Patriotism is a just a nice way of describing nationalistic feeling in a country that already exists.
So yeah, I'm a nationalist. I think Americans are a specific group of people that are distinct from other people, and I think they should continue to inhabit a state with the borders that currently exist.
I know that my friend who moved to Texas says he has to sing the National Anthem every morning at high school. I find it amazing that...that many people can care so much for their country. It is a true and noble trait that can bring the whole nation together. Unfortunately, there are many obstacles in the way that stop it from doing that, but maybe someday it will pay off even more. Right now, loyalty to the United States of America can actually negatively impact you because of the partial corruption in the government. What a shame.
They're not any more patriotic than say, England, or other Western countries. The only difference is that Americans have much more to brag about. But I will say this: there are more people in America who vehemently condemn their nation than in almost any other country - I don't really know what its like in China.
That...that may have been the funniest thing I have ever read. You win the internet for the day. I'll win it back in no time but seriously, bravo.Daystar Clarion said:
