Why are console games not transparent about their language options?

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NiPah said:
All I can think of off hand was someone from Bandai saying they haven't been able to get a foothold in the US market with the Tales series while a small company like NISA can find success with Altelier, Ar Tonelico, and Neptunia. My other evidence would be talking to the Gamestop manager years ago about how many disks get sold back once people find out it's dub only.
Last example would be how long it took Nintendo to release Xeno/The Last Story/Pandora's Tower, I don't believe Nintendo releases dual audio so them not releasing these titles would likely mean they didn't expect them to make a profit, follow this with NISA releasing Time and Eternity (instead of Bandai, who made the game and likely could have released it themselves cheaper but did not).
According to VG Chartz, which is the only info I could quickly dig up, Tales has sold basically a couple orders of magnitude better over here than Hyperdomension Neptunia. I would suspect there's a budget issue there.
 

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They don't have things like graphics options let alone audio ones
Actually, there are a few dual audio console games out, such as the Blazblue games and the Persona 4 Arena games, but they are not that common. And while less common than that, there are a very few console game with limited graphics tweaking options, such as Tom Clancy's The Division and Battle Arena Toshinden 3.
 

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All I can think of off hand was someone from Bandai saying they haven't been able to get a foothold in the US market with the Tales series while a small company like NISA can find success with Altelier, Ar Tonelico, and Neptunia. My other evidence would be talking to the Gamestop manager years ago about how many disks get sold back once people find out it's dub only.
Last example would be how long it took Nintendo to release Xeno/The Last Story/Pandora's Tower, I don't believe Nintendo releases dual audio so them not releasing these titles would likely mean they didn't expect them to make a profit, follow this with NISA releasing Time and Eternity (instead of Bandai, who made the game and likely could have released it themselves cheaper but did not).
You know, I've always thought that games that were dub only had a better chance at selling well than sub only.
 

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I don't care so much about whether or not there is an English dub of my Japanese game, but more about, IF there's an English dub, that there is at least the dual-audio option to listen to it in its native tongue. The same would apply for, hell, any non-English work.

Because, if I can't understand what they're saying, it won't sound nearly as fucking awful as the majority of English dubs do.
 

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Something Amyss said:
NiPah said:
All I can think of off hand was someone from Bandai saying they haven't been able to get a foothold in the US market with the Tales series while a small company like NISA can find success with Altelier, Ar Tonelico, and Neptunia. My other evidence would be talking to the Gamestop manager years ago about how many disks get sold back once people find out it's dub only.
Last example would be how long it took Nintendo to release Xeno/The Last Story/Pandora's Tower, I don't believe Nintendo releases dual audio so them not releasing these titles would likely mean they didn't expect them to make a profit, follow this with NISA releasing Time and Eternity (instead of Bandai, who made the game and likely could have released it themselves cheaper but did not).
According to VG Chartz, which is the only info I could quickly dig up, Tales has sold basically a couple orders of magnitude better over here than Hyperdomension Neptunia. I would suspect there's a budget issue there.
True, it was a quote I read long ago so I can't back it up with much.
 

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NiPah said:
True, it was a quote I read long ago so I can't back it up with much.
Well, I mean, it could still be true for a variety of reasons. Remember, it was only a few years ago that Square Enix had four games that broke four million and were considered disappointments.
 

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coates32 said:
trunkage said:
They don't have things like graphics options let alone audio ones
Actually, there are a few dual audio console games out, such as the Blazblue games and the Persona 4 Arena games, but they are not that common. And while less common than that, there are a very few console game with limited graphics tweaking options, such as Tom Clancy's The Division and Battle Arena Toshinden 3.
I think there are a few more for the graphics. Total Biscuit rants about 60 fps all the time and the only praise he had for The Division was the ability to set 60 fps for lower quality on console. He has stated that he wont play stuff on console unless its 60 fps, including exclusives like Bloodborne. I remember him providing those and I think two other examples during those discussion.

You have to remember that console are like anything Apple. You have reduced functionality so its easier to use. Expecting much more than that will cause consternation.
 

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Tales of Hearts R has no English voice acting. I feel like if you can't completely localize a game, you shouldn't be charging full price. As for being transparent, absolutely! I think that if a company releases a game that is not completely localized and they don't mention it on the box (online store description) then they are purposely withholding that information.
 

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WeepingAngels said:
Tales of Hearts R has no English voice acting. I feel like if you can't completely localize a game, you shouldn't be charging full price. As for being transparent, absolutely! I think that if a company releases a game that is not completely localized and they don't mention it on the box (online store description) then they are purposely withholding that information.
As much as I prefer consoles over PC (it's much easier to find Japanese games on consoles), I have to admit that Steam and GOG are pretty good about being transparent on localization options. Maybe the reason console digital storefronts aren't as upfront about that info is because there stores are custom tailored for specific regions, while Steam and GOG have a "one size all" approach to their store pages (aside from localized text and currency).
 

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monkeymangler said:
Depends on the game. Tecmo Koei's games don't really sell on this side of the Pacific very well. Combined with everyone jumping on them for certain dub characters being bad (Zhang Jiao), and now they don't dub at all and and all releases are digital only except for certain circumstances.
Woah woah woah, there are people that don't like Zhang Jiao's English voice!?
 

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WeepingAngels said:
Tales of Hearts R has no English voice acting. I feel like if you can't completely localize a game, you shouldn't be charging full price. As for being transparent, absolutely! I think that if a company releases a game that is not completely localized and they don't mention it on the box (online store description) then they are purposely withholding that information.
Why not? Does an English dub really actually improve a game's quality beyond just reading subs? Quite a few people tend to think that English dubs make a game worse What if it was a 90s anime dub quality? Or Chaos Wars?
Yes, I prefer the games I play be in a language I understand. If I wanted and could understand Japanese voice acting (and text), I could just import games at my leisure and not have to wait for a game to be localized. Obviously if I buy the English version, I expect it to be in English. Go figure..
 

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Gundam GP01 said:
WeepingAngels said:
Tales of Hearts R has no English voice acting. I feel like if you can't completely localize a game, you shouldn't be charging full price. As for being transparent, absolutely! I think that if a company releases a game that is not completely localized and they don't mention it on the box (online store description) then they are purposely withholding that information.
Why not? Does an English dub really actually improve a game's quality beyond just reading subs? Quite a few people tend to think that English dubs make a game worse What if it was a 90s anime dub quality? Or Chaos Wars?
Once again, Dynasty/Samurai Warriors or Sengoku Basara. A lot of the joy of the game goes away without dubbing because if you're playing on a decent difficulty, you don't have time to check the subtitle box for what you're supposed to do next or for parts of the story. I like playing Samurai Warriors 4, but I miss a lot of what's going on because I'm focused on fighting and checking the map to protect the leader.
 

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Gundam GP01 said:
WeepingAngels said:
Gundam GP01 said:
WeepingAngels said:
Tales of Hearts R has no English voice acting. I feel like if you can't completely localize a game, you shouldn't be charging full price. As for being transparent, absolutely! I think that if a company releases a game that is not completely localized and they don't mention it on the box (online store description) then they are purposely withholding that information.
Why not? Does an English dub really actually improve a game's quality beyond just reading subs? Quite a few people tend to think that English dubs make a game worse What if it was a 90s anime dub quality? Or Chaos Wars?
Yes, I prefer the games I play be in a language I understand. If I wanted and could understand Japanese voice acting (and text), I could just import games at my leisure and not have to wait for a game to be localized. Obviously if I buy the English version, I expect it to be in English. Go figure..
But it IS in English. All of the menus are in English. All of the tutorials are in English. All of the system files are in English. The subtitles are in English. It's sold in an English storefront. Pretty much the only thing that isnt in english is the voice acting.

You're not importing a game directly from japan here, it's a fully localized product.
If it were FULLY localized, it would have English voice acting.
 

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Gundam GP01 said:
WeepingAngels said:
Gundam GP01 said:
WeepingAngels said:
Gundam GP01 said:
WeepingAngels said:
Tales of Hearts R has no English voice acting. I feel like if you can't completely localize a game, you shouldn't be charging full price. As for being transparent, absolutely! I think that if a company releases a game that is not completely localized and they don't mention it on the box (online store description) then they are purposely withholding that information.
Why not? Does an English dub really actually improve a game's quality beyond just reading subs? Quite a few people tend to think that English dubs make a game worse What if it was a 90s anime dub quality? Or Chaos Wars?
Yes, I prefer the games I play be in a language I understand. If I wanted and could understand Japanese voice acting (and text), I could just import games at my leisure and not have to wait for a game to be localized. Obviously if I buy the English version, I expect it to be in English. Go figure..
But it IS in English. All of the menus are in English. All of the tutorials are in English. All of the system files are in English. The subtitles are in English. It's sold in an English storefront. Pretty much the only thing that isnt in english is the voice acting.

You're not importing a game directly from japan here, it's a fully localized product.
If it were FULLY localized, it would have English voice acting.
Fine, MOSTLY localized. It's not like voice acting makes that big of a difference anyway.
Have you ever played a Dynasty Warriors game? Dubbing makes all the difference, pal. Even if the quality is dubious. Not only does it make the information presented a smidge easier to process (especially if you happen to be playing a VA heavy RPG that also requires quite a bit of attention to the actual gameplay, or a rather fast paced action game that has more specific objectives for you to go about doing such as Samurai Warriors,) it helps the player establish connections to even the most poorly fleshed out characters by hearing a voice speaking in a manner they are familiar with. It also saves users from the issue of primadonna Japanese voice actors.

See, I play most of my Tecmo Koei games on PS4. Dynasty Warriors is a favorite of mine, and while their English dubs have always been rather laughable (although the quality has recently been getting pretty good, especially when it comes to using actors who are used to playing the fairly one note characters,) There's been a bit of a rub for when I want to share play games with my friends. If I'm playing one of the Japanese VA only games such as Warriors Orochi 3 or Dynasty Warriors 8 Empires, just about all sound is completely muted. Why? Because apparently the Japanese VA are miffed that you can hear their voices for free. In fact, TK is so antsy about VA rights that they mute versions of the games that have English VA.

'Voice acting doesn't make a big difference' my behind.