Why are MOST PC gamers full of so much hatred towards Consoles?

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Crankafoo

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If I had the choice of playing a game on my PC rather than a console, I would.
Simply because it'd generally look better and I can handle PC controls much better than a controller.
The only reason I could say I prefer a console is because I can lay back with my controller and play games from my couch. Granted, I could do such stated with my PC, just get a wireless setup, but it's much less convenient.
 

ThorUK

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Usually in most threads you come across, full of PC gamers (fanboys, if you will) and Console gamers, it always turns into a gigantic flame war on what is better.

One thing that i always did notice is that the PC gamers are usually the ones to start the whole war. It almost seems like they get enjoyment out of starting pointless arguments and debates. Big deal, you paid nearly 1 grand, maybe more just so you can game with a mouse and a keyboard. Paying more for your gaming situation gives you no excuse to talk down on people who pay less for their gaming set ups (I.e console gamers).

I also see no legitimate reasons being stated as to why they hate console gaming. They just start bringing up the whole "Specs vs Specs" debate, and never state factual statements on why they hate/dislike consoles/console gamers.

Why can't you enjoy both? I'm a console gamer/ex PC gamer, but i enjoyed both without bad mouthing on or the other.

I respect both console and PC gamers highly, and i honestly don't see why there always has to be a pointless argument over which is better.

Both platforms have pros and cons, along with excellent games. Some fantastic games are on the PC which are not cross-platform. Some Fantastic games are on the console which are also exclusive.

Thanks for reading, and i hope you do respect this post as a form of ones opinion.
I'm a PC gamer. Consoles have always been aimed at a more casual target audience than the majority of triple-A PC titles, and given the current popularity of casual and console games, it's only natural to look down on those sub-par non-games (it's worth noting that social networking is also to blame). A part of it is that if you walk into a game store (if you live in the UK: Game, Gamestation, HMV to a lesser degree) you are likely to find one shelf devoted to PC games (new and preowned) and the rest of the store clad in useless consolage, this obviously leads to some annoyances on the PC vs console front, especially given that PC games previously occupied more than any console manufacturer's section in stores.

'Hardcore' gamers play one (or more) of three genres: stategy, FPS or MMORPG, which more or less excludes consoles since all those genres play better on the PC (because you have a mouse, and you need it for those games, no really). Which in and of itself it enough to explain why PC gamers have a reputation for disliking consoles - there's an outspoken and unrestrained group of PC games who look down on consoles and their games, arguably with good reason.
 

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Almost all of those games are also available on the PC. So what does that say about you and your supposedly perfect gaming platform? Because to me it says you're a gigantic hypocrite.
 

Lordmurdalot

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Krylock said:
GWarface said:
Plus most of the annoying 12 year old dicktits with microphones is playing on consoles, and i like to stay far away from them...
Not many younger kids play Xbox Live or PSN as most people would think.

This reminds me of the whole "Only loud obnoxious brats play CoD!". That is a false generalization. You do get the occasional annoying little kid, but that is VERY easily fixed by a Mute button.
In regards to this you CLEARLY havnt been playing on games like CoD and halo that long.

played 5 matches of halo reach today, EVERY one had some brat screaming down the mic.

thats just the short term, in all my 3 years of gaming on the xbox I have only met a handful of people who dont sound like som ones kicking them in the nuts.

now Im not taking sides in this but I also game on a high end pc and I have met more reasonable people on team fortress 2 in 1 year than I have on the xbox in 3.

in regards to the original question as someone said most pc gamers build their own pc so they have pride in their work (i know i do mainly cause of how long it took to get the dam thing to just boot up) so when someone in a forum and such goes "oh consoles are much bnetter than the pc" pc gamers stick up for the PC. I have done this several occasion but not in the way you mentioned above I just point out the benefits of both and that while console gaming is easier to get into and started with, PC gaming is overall more rewarding thanks to higher graphics, clearer sound etc
 

Danpascooch

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Simply put: consoles have caused games to be dumbed down over the generations. If I wanted to do nothing but spend twenty hours pulling a trigger to cause loud noises, I'd go to a gun range. What a concept, eh? PC gamers discovered the greatness of FPS games in the nineties. We were ready to move on ten years ago. But unfortunately, soccer moms, frat boys, and children under ten all decided to pick that time to get into gaming and ruin it for the rest of us.

But truthfully, we also just plain enjoy watching console gamers squirm when they realize the limitations of their chosen platform. Always a riot.
There is something to be said for developing and optimizing for a single platform, reduces compatibility problems by orders of magnitude.
 

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Super Toast said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Super Toast said:
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Xzi said:
Super Toast said:
Consoles have simply made gaming more accessible and mainstream.
Translation: Increased the amount of money going into developers and publishers pockets, therefore increasing the quality of games with each passing year.
Fixed for you. You can thank me later.
Wow. Flawed logic. More money made does not make a better game. I can make millions selling a product but that doesn't mean i spend more money on the next product. The cheaper it is, the better it is for me. Companies don't get oodles of money on one project to spend it all on "their dream".
Explain to me then why the quality of games keeps getting higher.
From what perspective? You don't specify.
Compare Dragon Age to Baldur's Gate, or Modern Warfare to CoD2. The visuals, physics, level design, writing (in most cases) and innovation have all worked out for the better, thanks to the money made by developers and publishers. You might think there is no such thing as innovation today, but that's bunk. Minecraft is arguably the biggest, most important thing to happen to gamers in 2010, and that was an indie game. And innovation was hardly rampant five or ten years ago either. Remember the ridiculous amount of WW2 shooters and platforming games floating around at that time? I know I do.

Even less than unique games like Crysis have benefited greatly from larger budgets. Even if you're like me and despised that game, there's no denying that the CryEngine is a fantastic piece of software. It wouldn't have existed if EA and Crytek didn't have a ridiculous amount of cash to spend on it.

I hope that read out okay, I'm pretty tired. Also, sorry for the wall of text.
I started to reply to disagree with your point, but then I think you made my point for me. Minecraft has none of the visual, physics, level design, writing or innovative elements you mentioned as making games better. What it does is throw control over the virtual world to the player and let them do whattheheckever they want, which honestly is the opposite of all of the things that modern games are designed to do. In short, it's more of a throwback than anything else, so its success actually proves the opposite of what you were saying.

I would argue that factoring in the technical limitations, many games of yore were WAY better than the formulaic products the industry churns out now. The point of a game is to challenge you to improve in a consequence-free environment, after all. The fun factor only improves that effect by making you engage more fully and for longer periods. Even with limited technology, games in the past built in some seriously engaging challenges and therefore were better at doing what games are supposed to do than modern games.

And this makes a lot of that innovation irrelevant. It's counterproductive to make progress that doesn't accomplish anything, as the resources can be used to make progress that does accomplish something relevant.
 

Lord_Kristof

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My reasons are these:

- save points instead of saving whenever I want in most modern titles
- cameras which make it impossible to navigate a game
- games like Heavy Rain, Alan Wake, Limbo, Gears of War 2, Shadow of the Colossus etc not being ported to the PC for bullshit reasons
- clunky controls. This is very specifically my take on things, but I just can't imagine how somebody can think that the pad is superior to the mouse and keyboard in FPS games. Just boggles my mind.

I'm not a console hater, but I hate the influence console games had on the whole hobby and the fact that the existence of consoles by itself has taken away some games from the PC. I'd really love to play Heavy Rain, but there's not way in hell I'm going to buy a PS3 just for that.
 

The Wykydtron

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Why is this thread still continuing? Everyone's just going round in circles with pointless arguements. Consoles are Consoles, PCs are PCs they both play games, pick one and get the fuck over it
 

Canid117

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In all seriousness PC gamers don't hate console gamers seeing as how many of them are console gamers.
 

SextusMaximus

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Whenever console wars start - which I've found is rare at this time (people seemed to have grow up a bit) it's unfair to say that most PC gamers in the flame wars start the arguments because that's flat out not true. Not to mention, whenever a flame war starts I generally believe there was an equal amount of hatred towards one another.

EDIT: FTR, I'm a console and PC gamer.
 

Ralen-Sharr

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I'll start this by saying I am a PC only gamer, but I do find some console games fun.

Any hate I have for consoles come from games that have been poorly ported or feel gimped. Menus that still say "hit [triangle] to continue" really irritate me. Game franchises that feel compromised for a different demographic, such as Oblivion. I played it and loved it, but the game was just too short, especially compared to previous Elder Scrolls games. Checkpoint systems as opposed to free saving a loading. These are general changes to games that make them more console friendly and ease development for multiple platforms.

This also stands as a very old argument, going back to the days when there were little to no cross platform games, and the PC was superior by a large margin (hardware wise). Consoles have done a lot to catch up and close that gap. When new consoles are released these days they offer comparable hardware and generally superior optimization due to standardized hardware, so they can offer a similar or the same overall gaming experience as would a PC counterpart.

Fewer developers now are also taking advantage of what a PC can do and so even on a quality port, we still get a game that does not make use of the high end hardware we may have purchased. There may be graphical features that console hardware simply can't do, so they don't bother to add it for the PC version, even though there may be a lot of PC's out there that can do it.

As close as consoles are to PC's now, they aren't PC's. It would be like seeing an android that looks very human but has really creepy eyes. It's harder to accept than something that looked entirely foreign.

TLDR version:
Console games ported poorly to PC
Old argument when PC had WAY better hardware
Developers not using the extra hardware PC's have
Consoles are too close to PC's and it creeps out some PC users.
 

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First on topic: I rarely see pc gamers start a flame war. I might be wrong and it is actually like that. But i've not cared to think too much of the subject cause whatever system the flamer is playing i see them as kids in puberty in desperate need to show off.

Why i prefer the PC(without going to the lengths of flaming the consoles):
I got a pc, a ps3, a psp and a 360. Girlfriend got a DS and a pc.
The 360 got rrod 1 week after purchase, and now i have to bother sending to repairs
6 months later just cause my gf got some 360 games for xmas.

The ps3 is actually my second after the blueray broke(cba to buy laser). I've also cleaned
the lense of the new ps3s lense cause of inability to read game discs. I only play
third person rpgs, settlers of Catan and exclusives on the ps3.

The psp is just for travelling, while my gf uses her DS for pokemon and final fantasy adventures sitting in the couch.

But for both of us the PC is what we mainly use for gaming. She plays WoW and i play anything else but WoW(or other MMOs). And there are several reasons for this:
When my computer eventually break, i can fix it myself without being good at electronics. Games cost less. There are brilliant modders in this world letting me play old games in entirely new ways. I'm more used to aiming in FPS games on the PC. I have the freedom to configure my gaming experience to my own wishes far better than on any other system. I can
choose how to communicate with my fellow pc gamers better than on consoles. And i can go check stuff on the web while playing if i want to.

Bottomline i prefer the computer cause of freedom of choice. But it can easily get way more
complex with the added freedom, and if people prefer not having to put up with as many variables as there are on computers i can understand that.
 

JaredXE

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Super Toast said:
Xzi said:
Almost all of those games are also available on the PC. So what does that say about you and your supposedly perfect gaming platform? Because to me it says you're a gigantic hypocrite.
Yeah, and they are almost all sucky ports of a dumbed down console game.

Two words: Nintendo Hard.

You never hear that about console games these days, almost none of them have any kind of challenge. The PC is almost the last bastion of the challenging game, and even that is being whittled away due to console casualness. PC's allow better patching, not just from the developers, but the community; this greatly expands life expectancy of games, and with mods, provides more opportunities for challenges. Simply put, consoles have dumbed down the expectations of the players, which then dumbs down the games because they (the players) don't want to buy anything requiring them to read a manual thicker than 3 pages.

Also, PRETTY GRAPHICS DOES NOT ALWAYS EQUAL IMPROVEMENT OF GAMES. There is almost no difference between the CoD's other than setting and graphics, so trotting out the new ones as proof of innovation is just fanwankery.
 

Yeq

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Partially (not sure if this has been covered yet) - trolls, intentional ones or not. The internet is anonymous, and all our discussions about gaming take place here. This makes it much easier to argue a non-nuanced point of view, not even necessarily one you totally agree with. There's also an element (when you see an idea presented on the internet as disconnected from the person putting it forward) of fuck-you-ism.

You see someone say, for example, halo 3 is the greatest thing ever. You think it was ok but certainly not that. However
a) saying it was ok won't make an impact and
b) you need to show that this fucker is wrong.
So you say halo 3 sucked. In fact, its very popularity has killed FPSs. Furthermore, it's really derivative and shallow. The guy who loves halo then calls you a ****. He doesn't see your intention or, behind the screen, your actual identity. What a bastard! That son of a ***** is going DOWN now!

So, yeah, as well as the other stuff mentioned, I'd say there's a bit of this. If you actually talked to a pc gamer face to face as a console gamer, I doubt they'd be nearly as angry, even if they are anonymous. There's more room for nuance and humanity in a conversation than there is in a faceless forum.
 

mattttherman3

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I honestly prefer a controller over a keyboard. That's my main issue, and when I do use pc games, I use the mouse rather than keys
 

Techno Squidgy

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Why the hate? Trolls. End of.

...or maybe there really are some people who genuinely think that way but I'd really hope they don't.
 

Soxafloppin

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Because consoles are more vastly more popular, regardless of how much better they believe PC's are, i think that fills them with rage.