Why are people ignorant of the real originals?

[Mau95]

Because people dont read books anymore.

 

[Blunderboy]

We are all born into ignorance, (aside from you it seems, the holder of all knowledge) and there is nothing inherently wrong with it.
There are many great films that I never knew where based on other works. I didn't care because I enjoyed them.
First world problems eh?
You really need to relax buddy.

 

[GamerKT]

This has come up a lot recently with the news of new Oldboy and Akira movies. People cry "It'll never surpass the original movie!"

First of all, it's not out yet. Shut up.

Secondly, both of those movies were based off of a manga, so they're not even original themselves.

The same goes for the new Scarface movie in the works. The Al Pacino one was a damn remake, too. And even the previous one was based off of a book, I believe.

Anyway, any time there's news of a remake, people are quick to champion the "original" as a masterpiece. Why don't many people know, or care, that most "classics" were based off of books to begin with?

P.S. I want to hurt people who are calling the new Spider-Man movie "a remake of the original."

When people say 'the original movie' it more than likely means the 1st movie, not the original idea for a story that is this movie.

Secondly, at least the way of thinking it will suck knocks down the hype, then it may totally knock ones socks off.

I'm totally okay if they call it that, but they usually don't. They just call it "the original."

ok your not allowed to be butthurt over that, its contextually accurate language. Same as if you said that mustang ha d a nice mane people would assume you mean the horse, acting as if you think differently just makes you seem like a slow learner.

*you're

"slow learner"

All righty.

THANK YOU!
the only time people use grammar nazi-ism as their only point is when they have no valid ones left

And no slow learner doesn't need to be in quotations because i am making a statement not emphasising an alternate understanding of the word.

Wrong. I'm both helping you and pointing out the irony. And I put it in quotes because I was quoting you. A-duh. And you're missing my point. I know the language they're using it technically sound, but I'm complaining that their awareness of the real original is just not there.

Also, you're welcome.

*Nazi

 

[GamerKT]

OK, instead of saying "original", how about we say "definitive" instead?

As in, the Toby Maguire Spiderman films are the definitive Spidey, and we don't need a bloody reboot so soon.

If people read enough Spider-Man stories (including the comics: the source material) to make that opinion, I'd be fine with it.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Yeah, very little is original these days.

 

[GamerKT]

So when people talk about the original batman, are we talking about this:

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The term "original" holds no weight between mediums and even within mediums, holds no weight from author to author/director to director/studio to studio etc. etc.

Context is incredibly important. The Animated Akira is the original Akira "FILM" which fans of the TRUE original would say is a butchered and minced version of the Manga. To everyone else it's the original probably because they don't read mangas?

Get over it. These topics always seem like ego boosting drivel.

That's the thing. They shouldn't say original. Especially with Batman, they're gonna have to just not be lazy and say the film's name (and year to clarify between the two Batmans). The "original" would be the comics.

 

[GamerKT]

I see that either a lot of people don't read the entire thread or are missing my point entirely. If you need me to clarify something in specific, please ask.

I appreciate everyone who put in a debatable response without personally attacking me or my small ego or my personality. Ad hominem attacks suck, bros. Stick to the topic or don't post.

 

[GamerKT]

I remember this coming up with the Let The Right One In remake. A lot of people who love the Swedish movie (which is excellent, don't get me wrong) aren't aware it was based off of anything or haven't read the original novel. This led to some people decrying elements of the American remake that were closer to the source material (particularly the way the vampire girl was portrayed) as being needless alterations to the story, when in reality the Swedish movie was quite different from the novel.

I think people just need to calm down about remakes in general. The level of emotion some of these movies elicit is beyond insane.

See, you know what I'm getting about. Why are you part of the, like, 3% that does? That's weird.

 

[Batou667]

OK, instead of saying "original", how about we say "definitive" instead?

As in, the Toby Maguire Spiderman films are the definitive Spidey, and we don't need a bloody reboot so soon.

If people read enough Spider-Man stories (including the comics: the source material) to make that opinion, I'd be fine with it.

I'm going to be potentially controversial and say that you shouldn't need to know the last 7 decades of Superman backstory, lore and retcons to be able to enjoy the lastest Superman film. Part of the reason comic superheroes are successful is their simple character design and motivations: you can place, say, Superman, Batman, The Hulk or Wolverine into any given situation and the story would almost write itself from that point onwards.

By all accounts the Maguire films did a very decent job of establishing the Spidey character and premise. I really don't think a reboot/remake can hope to make any meaningful improvement - but hey, I've been wrong before.

 

[PeaceRider]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-11-29/live-action-akira-film-plot-listed-by-casting-call

point 1 of hate for Hollywood Akira, Neo Manhattan
point 2, Kristen Stewart (Twilight) as the lead female

check the link and make your own points.

in short, part of it is truth sometimes, while most of the time it's Nostalgia.

as for Spiderman, a lot of people already didn't like it before the first one even came out, but now that first one probably is held in slightly higher respect and regard because it was pretty good, but as it also turned out to be the last on screen appearance of Pro-Wrestling Legend "Macho Man" Randy Savage.

 

[-Dragmire-]

Meh, it's not as bad as hearing, "The Lord of the Rings trilogy was an amazing original series. It even spawned a book series after it.".

I shit you not I've heard that from several people after the films came out.

 

[ChildofGallifrey]

I'm banking on the new Girl With the Dragon Tattoo to be better than the Swedish original as well (For Trent Reznor's soundtrack alone)

Me too, but mostly because David Fincher is at the helm (though Reznor's remix of the Immigrant Song is badass to the nth degree). Goddamn, that man should be able to gold-leaf his house with awards by now, but he doesn't have a single Oscar. Well, I guess it took Scorsese nearly 50 years to win one, and for a remake as well. That seems pertinent for this topic...

Kind of off-topic, but is David Fincher's track record really that awesome? I just checked his filmography, and he's done a lot of cool stuff. A lot of adaptations. I liked Benjamin Button (beats the shit outta the book), Fight Club, and The Social Network. Would you recommend any of his other stuff in particular?

Despite having a relatively small body of work (the upcoming Girl With the Dragon Tattoo will only be his 9th film) Fincher is very well liked and respected in the industry, largely because he has put together a strong body of work in a short time. Apart from Alien3 (which he inherited when it was already a mess), Fincher's resumé is pretty much flawless (Panic Room is debatable).

Definitely, definitely see Seven (or Se7en, if we want to go with the box art) and Zodiac. The Game and Panic Room are worth a shot as well.

 

[GrandmaFunk]

sounds like you have a bad case of the hipsters.

 

[gigastrike]

Why do people about what came first anyway? Can't we just judge things objectively instead of saying "this thing came first, so it's better"?