Why are people treating James Gunn as if he is some "talented director"?

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"Edge", "Mature", "Balls"
Words that I really despise right now but hey if that's what you like then good for you.
Humor, Colorful, and "Fun" is what I really despise right now when it comes to Superheroes.

I prefer Batman the Animated Series over Adam West Batman.
Please don't compare Batman: The Animated Series to what DC is currently doing with their movies, it's an insult to that cartoon. B: TAS is well rounded, it has funny parts, dramatic parts and everything in between. Like a good story should. If DC was doing that with their movies I would be fully on board but they aren't. Instead they're making all of their heroes growly emo douchebags and that isn't entertaining in the slightest.
And Marvel movies so far is the opposite with Smart-mouthed Corny Douchebags that makes me want to slap them in top of their heads.

I agree with one thing that may satisfy all. We need a balance of both to satisfy everyone.

I have said before that the Cartoons and Best Comic Books overshadow both Live Action movies of DC and Marvel.

I just feel animation is superior to live action and is more closer to Comic Books. Heck I would LOVE to see Watchmen if it was adapated with 2D animation like the recent DC Animated Movies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFjg3oNxaJ4
 

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I agree with one thing that may satisfy all. We need a balance of both to satisfy everyone.
What balance do you imagine can be struck between one group of people who like jokes and hate despair, and another group who hate jokes and love despair? Is it not better to just let the people who like jokes have the movies that contain jokes, and stop worrying about including yourself in it?
 

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I agree with one thing that may satisfy all. We need a balance of both to satisfy everyone.
Eh... Do you even art/culture? Surely 'variety is the spice of life' or 'horse for courses'-type sayings suffice, or can you find a reason that such an inclusive sentiment must be crushed by imposed perspectives and arbitrary personal judgements?

Your opinion that Marvel write "smart-mouthed corny douchbags" is - get this - rather inconsequential. Your opinion is, ultimately, meaningless - as is mine if I think the exact opposite. Surely, a spectrum must exist, and all can gravitate to what floats their boat, and everyone is equal in what matters; enjoying stuff. Marvel don't need to change, DC don't need to change, and everyone's happy with their preferred stuff. Sometimes - and this may blow your mind - people can love both at the same time.

I just feel animation is superior to live action and is more closer to Comic Books
They're three different mediums, though? So, yeah... it seems a bit odd to play 'which is best'. All surely have their strengths and weaknesses.
 

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JimB said:
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I agree with one thing that may satisfy all. We need a balance of both to satisfy everyone.
What balance do you imagine can be struck between one group of people who like jokes and hate despair, and another group who hate jokes and love despair? Is it not better to just let the people who like jokes have the movies that contain jokes, and stop worrying about including yourself in it?
No offense but isn't despair not the correct term we should use?

When I think of Despair-themed stories I think of V for Vendetta (The Comic Book version) 1984, Demon's Souls, Silent Hill.
 

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I agree with one thing that may satisfy all. We need a balance of both to satisfy everyone.
Your opinion that Marvel write "smart-mouthed corny douchbags" is - get this - rather inconsequential. Your opinion is, ultimately, meaningless - as is mine if I think the exact opposite. Surely, a spectrum must exist, and all can gravitate to what floats their boat, and everyone is equal in what matters; enjoying stuff. Marvel don't need to change, DC don't need to change, and everyone's happy with their preferred stuff. Sometimes - and this may blow your mind - people can love both at the same time.

I just feel animation is superior to live action and is more closer to Comic Books
They're three different mediums, though? So, yeah... it seems a bit odd to play 'which is best'. All surely have their strengths and weaknesses.
No I actually thought about this for a long time now I truly think Animation lends itself better to Comic Book adaption because they are both "Drawn Media"

I mean think about it. An Animated Superman would look more faithful to drawn comic books than a Real Live Actor playing as him right?
 

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Because he's pretty damn good.
Spoilers: Before they hit it big, a lot of directors are hired to make movies they don't really care about (Scooby Doo), or make stuff that only a niche audience cares about (a lot of the stuff Gunn's made).
Now he's making big stuff that he loves and has the respect to ask for the budget to do other movies he wants to make with the resources he needs to make them good. He doesn't need to make Scooby Doo anymore, and now he could do a bigger crazier version of something like Super.
A lot more people need to realize this. Big companies don't give you the large amounts of cash for things like Guardians of the Galaxy without you having at least made some movies before. Now he is seen as having the chops for bigger stuff, we will see how good he really is, it's starting off well and hopefully his work just gets better and better.
 

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No I actually thought about this for a long time now I truly think Animation lends itself better to Comic Book adaption because they are both "Drawn Media"

I mean think about it. An Animated Superman would look more faithful to drawn comic books than a Real Live Actor playing as him right?
Define "faithful", and what that means to ideas spreading across multiple mediums?

To me the page is the page, animations are animations, and live action cinema is live action cinema - all are different, all have strengths and weaknesses, and all are capable of expressing different aspects of a given idea in different ways. If you prefer one? Great, but it's a tad silly or myopic to pretend one is somehow objectively superior.

A Marvel event splash page in a book looks one way, in an animation it has a different quality, and in a live action film another. All are related, and all are equally valid. I prefer the page when I'm in the mood for a comic, and live action when I want to watch a film. I'm personally not that keen on Western comicbook content in animations - nothing against it, it's just not my thing. If I watch animations I prefer Western mainstream CG, or the occasional feature length anime (e.g. Only Yesterday and Princess Mononoke).

Apropos ideas of faithfulness and, by apparent extension, lack of change - I'll quote Philip Pullman, writing about the notion of preserving fixed versions of ostensibly oral folktales and fables/legends in book form:
"But being put in a book has its drawbacks. It gives a fixed quality to things. It seems to imply that all scholarship and learning should be respected in the way we respect ancient monuments, by preserving them exactly as they are, by walking around with carefully and speaking quietly and not disturbing anything. It seems to imply nothing should change.

And that is the greatest danger for stories such as these: if they remain undisturbed, they will die of neglect."
Shouldn't all stories, all tales, all characters be retold in various ways, and be seen to evolve? And, in doing so, preserve the essence of the idea?
 

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1. I am super excited about the Warcraft movie aswell. There are only a few things I worry about which is I worry about some of the actors like the guy who plays the King of Stormwind, and the movie so far is not selling me with its soundtrack. It needs to have the World of Wacraft Orchestral score we love. I mean if the movie's version of Stormwind City does not have this opening track I will be pissed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUA1B3A1ZnY
That's fair, but it's still exciting that a videogame based movie might actually be good, this could be it, don't screw it up Duncan Jones, I believe in you!
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Like as if he was the next Quintin Tarantino
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2. Well I could say the same to Zack Snyder, he made 300 and Watchmen and I like them both ALOT so I feel he has talent aswell ;)

Or Francis Ford Coppola, he wrote for Patton, and he made Godfather, Coversation, Apocalypse Now, and Bram Stoker's Dracula, so he has talent its not like he made a bad movie.....oh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHaFdSx26WM
Well I don't think anybody would argue against Francis Ford Coppola being a talented director, specially considering how much of a mess the production of Apocalypse Now was and how good the movie is despite all those problems, that man is damned good at what he does despite being a huge asshole[footnote]If you are familiar with the production of Apocalypse Now you'll understand why I say that.[/footnote].

As for Zack Snyder, he does have talent but he is mostly just style, good action and very little else, and while 300 is fun it's not particularly well written or smart, but that's mostly to do with the fact that it's an adaptation of an adaptation[footnote]By an author that's really not very good either.[/footnote] of a legend that was used as propaganda that was based on a real battle, so there's not much you can do about it, except basing it on the actual story of which there is very little data and if you did that then it wouldn't be 300 anymore and Snyder's style wouldn't have meshed well with the project.
And then there's Watchmen, which is good and easily his best movie, but he doesn't really add much of value to the source material and despite it being a decent adaptation it still manages to completely miss the point on some aspects of the graphic novel and cuts some interesting stuff in favour of adding some very stupid and pointless stuff, like that idiotic sex scene on Archie that goes on for way too long, the completely pointless addition of Nite Owl finding out about Rorschach's death and fighting Ozymandias and actually beating him which is kind of weird and out of place and much like Ozymandias points out really immature, and then there's the worst change of all which is changing the entire context of the final scene with Nite Owl and Silk Spectre running away, in the movie is basically everything's well for them and they live happily ever after because people think Dr. Manhattan is protecting them, which doesn't really fit the tone and grit of the story, and the original they do get to live together and happy but in hiding as fugitives was much more interesting and fitting to the story.

So really I'd attribute Watchmen being good to how good the actual source material and Snyder's knack for style, but he is too tone deaf to really do the project justice.

With that being said I don't really blame him for MoS and BvS being shit, I think he's a good fit for Superhero movies but they should really get him a better writer because he's not smart or good enough to do it himself and David S. Goyer is absolute fucking shit when it comes to writing and they should have fired him after Batman Begins, don't know why he's still there after 5 absolutely awfully written screenplays.
And I know most people love the Nolan trilogy, but I'm petty sure it would have been better without him as it might have not been completely filled with plot-holes.
 

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I agree with one thing that may satisfy all. We need a balance of both to satisfy everyone.
What balance do you imagine can be struck between one group of people who like jokes and hate despair, and another group who hate jokes and love despair? Is it not better to just let the people who like jokes have the movies that contain jokes, and stop worrying about including yourself in it?
No offense, but is despair the correct term we should use?
No offense taken. I mean, shit, dude, it's just movies. There's only so mad I can get about it.

That said, I stand by my word choice. Hope is the antithesis of despair, and Zack Snyder's Kal-El is the antithesis of hope, so.
 

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JimB said:
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Samtemdo8 said:
I agree with one thing that may satisfy all. We need a balance of both to satisfy everyone.
What balance do you imagine can be struck between one group of people who like jokes and hate despair, and another group who hate jokes and love despair? Is it not better to just let the people who like jokes have the movies that contain jokes, and stop worrying about including yourself in it?
No offense, but is despair the correct term we should use?
No offense taken. I mean, shit, dude, it's just movies. There's only so mad I can get about it.

That said, I stand by my word choice. Hope is the antithesis of despair, and Zack Snyder's Kal-El is the antithesis of hope, so.
1. The one last thing I will defend Superman even in this movie is that they did show him as a beacon of hope at times. I mean there were scenes where he saved people from a Katrina like Flood, Saving a portion of the Rocket Shuttle from people, and that one scene with him in what I think was Mexico where he saved people from a burning building I think? So he is capable of being a beacon of hope.

2. Yes I know its just movies, I mean I don't wanna make enemies out of anyone here in this site over freakin movies, it would be increadibly pathetic.
 

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I agree with one thing that may satisfy all. We need a balance of both to satisfy everyone.
What balance do you imagine can be struck between one group of people who like jokes and hate despair, and another group who hate jokes and love despair? Is it not better to just let the people who like jokes have the movies that contain jokes, and stop worrying about including yourself in it?
No offense, but is despair the correct term we should use?
No offense taken. I mean, shit, dude, it's just movies. There's only so mad I can get about it.

That said, I stand by my word choice. Hope is the antithesis of despair, and Zack Snyder's Kal-El is the antithesis of hope, so.
1. The one last thing I will defend Superman even in this movie is that they did show him as a beacon of hope at times. I mean there were scenes where he saved people from a Katrina like Flood, Saving a portion of the Rocket Shuttle from people, and that one scene with him in what I think was Mexico where he saved people from a burning building I think? So he is capable of being a beacon of hope.

2. Yes I know its just movies, I mean I don't wanna make enemies out of anyone here in this site over freakin movies, it would be increadibly pathetic.
With what you are doing in the past couple of weeks, that already makes you pathetic.
But I stand by with what I think of Marvel and DC stuff and have no shame of it.

But I am not gonna make this dominate my life with people. And I certainly am not gonna take away other people's opinions away from them.
 

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The one last thing I will defend Superman even in this movie is that they did show him as a beacon of hope at times.
I disagree that a person can ever be a beacon of an emotion he never has displayed.