Why are some people upset over the boodborne pc petition?

[DementedSheep]

I think it's pointless. The initial Darksouls petition was just to show FROM there was market. They know that now and Bloodborne is published by Sony so a PC port is unlikely. I don't really have a problem with the petition aside from thinking it's ridicules to keep having petitions for every damn thing but I do hope there aren't too many people (because there is always one) sending FROM messages about it or bitching about them "betraying the PC players"..

Oh, you know what gamers on the internet are like.

Monumentally petty bunch. Can't enjoy something unless they can do so in a manner that makes them feel better than someone else.

It happens whenever there's talk of an exclusive game going multi-platform. The owners of the exclusive promptly start whining up a storm, coming up with all sorts of justifications to try and hide the fact that they're upset at the thought of their purchasing decisions being rendered that little bit less special.

Plus, you're dealing with the Dark Souls fanbase here, a particularly odious mob. These are the people who risk rupturing their spleens in outrage at the mere thought of an easy difficulty setting. It wouldn't affect their own play, but the notion that more people might finish the game is enough to ruin their lunch. Once again, it makes their own achievement that little bit less special. Same deal with the idea of a multi-platform release, except in that case the "achievement" being cheapened is "owning a PS4".

That said, given the woeful state of the PC port for Dark Souls, I'm not sure the PC crowd is missing much. From Software clearly couldn't port their way out of a paper bag. Last time some solo modder stepped in and cleaned up their miserable mess with less than 24 hours work.

Didn't from software say they didn't know how to make PC games BEFORE porting dark souls? Also wasn't from software completly shat on AFTER the released the PC port that gamers DEMANDED? Also if memory serves the EXACT same thing happened with Dark souls 2?

As far as i'm conserned , PC gamers don't deserve a port for the reasons stated above. Also they don't know how. I wouldn't make a Pianist play a guitar just like i wouldn't make a console developper make a PC game.

Anyways that's how i remember it. If i'm wrong let me know.

There are always some people who complain and the same shit would crop up if it was bad PC port to consoles. A lot people acknowledged it wasn't the best port but gave FROM more leeway because they were upfront about the fact they knew shit-all about porting to the PC and that it was much better with a controller. They have a large PC following now.

 

[Fox12]

I dislike exclusives in general. I want everyone to experiance great content. What if LotR was DVD exclusive, ad blu-ray players couldn't handle it? That might be fine if you had a DVD player, but if not then you were screwed. I don't think it's healthy from an art stand point for the system to work this way. Games already have a longevity problem, and this only makes it much worse.

 

[Valkrex]

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Didn't from software say they didn't know how to make PC games BEFORE porting dark souls? Also wasn't from software completly shat on AFTER the released the PC port that gamers DEMANDED? Also if memory serves the EXACT same thing happened with Dark souls 2?

As far as i'm conserned , PC gamers don't deserve a port for the reasons stated above. Also they don't know how. I wouldn't make a Pianist play a guitar just like i would make a console developper make a PC game.

Anyways that's how i remember it. If i'm wrong let me know.

Yeah, that's basically what happened.

And they were rightly shat on. They released a shit port, and put fucking GFWL in it to boot. That warranted a good shitting I'd say.

What should the PC folks have done? Thanked From Software for trying to sell a port that barely worked? I think not.

If they didn't know what they were doing they should have just outsourced it, hired somebody who did know what they were doing. Given that one amateur was able to fix most of their mess within 24 hours, I don't think it would have cost much to get it done properly.

Would have been easy money for the publisher, had they not fucked it up.

Yea the DS1 port was atrocious no doubt about that, but FROM learned their lesson and the DS2 port is actually playable out of the box instead of needing to install a mod just to get it up to PC standards. Not the best port ever, but pretty damn good and an INCREDIBLE improvement over the PC version of DS1, and it doesn't use GFWL.

The only real blackmarks against the DS2 port are that the KB/M controls are a weird and rebinding them is a pain, and that it still only shows xbox 360 button prompts. However, if you're playing a Souls game you really should be using a gamepad. This kind of game just works BETTER with a controller than a keyboard. A lot of games do actually...


OT: Yea I really don't get the disgust about there being a petition for a PC version of Bloodborne. The game's awesome, a friend of mine picked it up and I got to give it a spin, and I would LOVE to see it come to PC. I don't think it will happen because of Sony and exclusivity and whatnot, but using a petition to ask is harmless.

 

[Lufia Erim]

I think it's pointless. The initial Darksouls petition was just to show FROM there was market. They know that now and Bloodborne is published by Sony so a PC port is unlikely. I don't really have a problem with the petition aside form thinking it's ridicules to keep having petitions for every damn thing but I do hope there aren't too many people (because there is always one) sending FROM messages about it or bitching about them "betraying the PC players"..

Oh, you know what gamers on the internet are like.

Monumentally petty bunch. Can't enjoy something unless they can do so in a manner that makes them feel better than someone else.

It happens whenever there's talk of an exclusive game going multi-platform. The owners of the exclusive promptly start whining up a storm, coming up with all sorts of justifications to try and hide the fact that they're upset at the thought of their purchasing decisions being rendered that little bit less special.

Plus, you're dealing with the Dark Souls fanbase here, a particularly odious mob. These are the people who risk rupturing their spleens in outrage at the mere thought of an easy difficulty setting. It wouldn't affect their own play, but the notion that more people might finish the game is enough to ruin their lunch. Once again, it makes their own achievement that little bit less special. Same deal with the idea of a multi-platform release, except in that case the "achievement" being cheapened is "owning a PS4".

That said, given the woeful state of the PC port for Dark Souls, I'm not sure the PC crowd is missing much. From Software clearly couldn't port their way out of a paper bag. Last time some solo modder stepped in and cleaned up their miserable mess with less than 24 hours work.

Didn't from software say they didn't know how to make PC games BEFORE porting dark souls? Also wasn't from software completly shat on AFTER the released the PC port that gamers DEMANDED? Also if memory serves the EXACT same thing happened with Dark souls 2?

As far as i'm conserned , PC gamers don't deserve a port for the reasons stated above. Also they don't know how. I wouldn't make a Pianist play a guitar just like i wouldn't make a console developper make a PC game.

Anyways that's how i remember it. If i'm wrong let me know.

There are always some people who complain and the same shit would crop up no if it was bad PC port to consoles. A lot people acknowledged it wasn't the best port but gave FROM more leeway because they were upfront about the fact they knew shit-all about porting to the PC and that it was much better with a controller. They have a large PC following now.

I'm sure you are right, but you know, vocal minority and all that jazz. So all i was personally hearing were people complaining. Plus you know, why force people to work outside their comfort zone?

 

[DementedSheep]

I think it's pointless. The initial Darksouls petition was just to show FROM there was market. They know that now and Bloodborne is published by Sony so a PC port is unlikely. I don't really have a problem with the petition aside from thinking it's ridicules to keep having petitions for every damn thing but I do hope there aren't too many people (because there is always one) sending FROM messages about it or bitching about them "betraying the PC players"..

Oh, you know what gamers on the internet are like.

Monumentally petty bunch. Can't enjoy something unless they can do so in a manner that makes them feel better than someone else.

It happens whenever there's talk of an exclusive game going multi-platform. The owners of the exclusive promptly start whining up a storm, coming up with all sorts of justifications to try and hide the fact that they're upset at the thought of their purchasing decisions being rendered that little bit less special.

Plus, you're dealing with the Dark Souls fanbase here, a particularly odious mob. These are the people who risk rupturing their spleens in outrage at the mere thought of an easy difficulty setting. It wouldn't affect their own play, but the notion that more people might finish the game is enough to ruin their lunch. Once again, it makes their own achievement that little bit less special. Same deal with the idea of a multi-platform release, except in that case the "achievement" being cheapened is "owning a PS4".

That said, given the woeful state of the PC port for Dark Souls, I'm not sure the PC crowd is missing much. From Software clearly couldn't port their way out of a paper bag. Last time some solo modder stepped in and cleaned up their miserable mess with less than 24 hours work.

Didn't from software say they didn't know how to make PC games BEFORE porting dark souls? Also wasn't from software completly shat on AFTER the released the PC port that gamers DEMANDED? Also if memory serves the EXACT same thing happened with Dark souls 2?

As far as i'm conserned , PC gamers don't deserve a port for the reasons stated above. Also they don't know how. I wouldn't make a Pianist play a guitar just like i wouldn't make a console developper make a PC game.

Anyways that's how i remember it. If i'm wrong let me know.

There are always some people who complain and the same shit would crop up no if it was bad PC port to consoles. A lot people acknowledged it wasn't the best port but gave FROM more leeway because they were upfront about the fact they knew shit-all about porting to the PC and that it was much better with a controller. They have a large PC following now.

I'm sure you are right, but you know, vocal minority and all that jazz. So all i was personally hearing were people complaining. Plus you know, why force people to work outside their comfort zone?

It wasn't forcing them work outside their comfort zone unless you consider a bunch of people offering to buy something if it's made "forcing". All the petition did was show FROM that many PC players where interested so making PC port could be be worth the effort and net them a profit. They could have just said no and not made it.
I also doubt you actually only heard complaints since a lot of players are practically worshipping the ground they walk on to the point where it's a bit annoying. Negativity just stands out more and we tend to remember it.

 

[Vigormortis]

Yeah, that's basically what happened.

And they were rightly shat on. They released a shit port, and put fucking GFWL in it to boot. That warranted a good shitting I'd say.

What should the PC folks have done? Thanked From Software for trying to sell a port that barely worked? I think not.

If they didn't know what they were doing they should have just outsourced it, hired somebody who did know what they were doing. Given that one amateur was able to fix most of their mess within 24 hours, I don't think it would have cost much to get it done properly.

Would have been easy money for the publisher, had they not fucked it up.

And more over, now that both the PS4 and Xbone run x86 environments, it would be all the easier to port Bloodborne over to any one of the PC os environments.

They can no longer use the "but it's hard!" excuse.

 

[Risingblade]

Probably because pc gamers are going to throw a ***** tantrum if the PC version isn't better than the console version...just like last time.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

Didn't from software say they didn't know how to make PC games BEFORE porting dark souls? Also wasn't from software completly shat on AFTER the released the PC port that gamers DEMANDED? Also if memory serves the EXACT same thing happened with Dark souls 2?

As far as i'm conserned , PC gamers don't deserve a port for the reasons stated above. Also they don't know how. I wouldn't make a Pianist play a guitar just like i wouldn't make a console developper make a PC game.

we're not a union you know. because a couple of 1000 sign some entitled petition doesnt mean everyone who games on PC are pricks

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

I don't understand why people are so naïve on how publishing works. Like Demon Souls, Bloodborne is published by Sony so a PC version is an impossibility.

the person who wrote the petition seems to have no concept of this.
it reminded me of the Bayonetta 2 outrage

 

[J Tyran]

I am well aware that Amazon France had a recent listing of a PC version but I have a hard time believe that it was not an error.

So far (as far as I know anyway) Amazon.fr hasn't been wrong with these "leaks" yet though, its the unoffical sounding board/hype engine for gaming publishers. Still I cannot see why Sony would do this though, the only speculation I would offer is they would want to compete with Microsoft on the PC too.

Release some games as PS4 and PC exclusive the way Microsoft have the whole "Microsoft Exclusive" thing going on, it would mean more money for them and if there is one thing Sony need its more money.

 

[briankoontz]

A developer's time is limited. Any work done on a PC port takes away from time and resources that can be put toward making content for the console version of the game. So "PC kid" and "console kid" are squabbling over who gets attention from mommy and daddy.

 

[Vigormortis]

How about "We dont own the IP, Sony does?"

I didn't say they had no excuses. Was just pointing out the 'We don't know how to do it.' and 'It's too hard to do.' excuses no longer hold up.

There are plenty of reasons why they can't or won't do a PC port. But if they use one of the above excuses, then we need to call them on the bullshit that it is.

 

[Sniper Team 4]

it almost just seems like they want to have something to hold over the heads of people who only play on PC.

I think that's it right there. There have been so many times where I have seen, both in real life and on the internet, where people who play on PC just rub it in console players' faces. "My rig is so much better than your stupid console blah blah blah." While some of this is done in jest, a good deal of it isn't. There are PC gamers out there who take true pleasure in rubbing it in other peoples' faces, and there are console gamers out there that are really insulted by that attitude. I admit that I get tired of PC gamers' attitudes sometimes.
So I think the PS4 players are seeing this as their chance to strike back. "How does it feel, knowing that your super special, I'm-so-much-better-than-you system CAN'T PLAY THIS GAME! LOSERS!"If Bloodborne somehow, by some miracle, does make the jump to the PC, that ability to gloat is going to be gone, and that is what is upsetting people.

 

[Doom972]

I think that those people need to justify buying a PS4 to themselves, and they justify it with exclusives (like Bloodborne). Without this "advantage", those people feel like they wasted their money on an inferior platform, because the exclusives are the only reason they picked that particular console.

 

[Doom972]

Pretty sure if I bought a PS4, solely to play Bloodborne, then find out that I didn't need to do that in the first place, I'd be pretty pissed off.

Calling the petition "disgusting" though? Nah, more like "useless".

Why would someone buy a PS4 for a single exclusive? I assume that if someone gets a certain gaming platform, he would buy it based on its own merits rather than exclusives, which could go multi-platform at any time.

Why do you think that the petition is useless? It worked for Dark Souls so well that they ported the original and decided to make a PC version of the sequel from the get-go.

 

[Erttheking]

Because if the debates we've had on this website have taught me anything, no matter how light hearted you make your criticism of a game, some people who like it are going to get defensive. I don't want to say it in case I piss someone off...but I'm gonna say it anyway, it's why in some cases talking about female characters gets heated.

 

[camazotz]

How about "We dont own the IP, Sony does?"

I didn't say they had no excuses. Was just pointing out the 'We don't know how to do it.' and 'It's too hard to do.' excuses no longer hold up.

There are plenty of reasons why they can't or won't do a PC port. But if they use one of the above excuses, then we need to call them on the bullshit that it is.

There is exactly one reason we won't see Bloodborne, Halo or Gears of War (or Uncharted, Last of Us, or others) on the PC: consoles need exclusives to sell consoles (and subscriptions to their services). Currently the latest generation is really short on exclusives right now, so they really can't afford to let Bloodborne go PC.

As for these console fanbois having a heart attack at the petition...I...hmmm. Woops spent too much time browsing the forums tonight, I appear to be all out of shits to give.