Why are Sony getting more hate than the actual hackers?

[sheic99]

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what are you talking about from what I've read Sony failed to take even the most basic security precautions against this happening how do they not deserve blame.

What people are reporting is that Sony kept their private data in a box marked "SUPER SECRET STUFF THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW - DO NOT STEAL" attached to a rusty drainpipe with a bit of string next to a sleeping security guard and a broken security camera. If it was so easy to hack the network, why wasn't it done a long time ago? You think this would have been the first time people attempted to hack the PSN? Fuck no.

What I'm saying is that Sony had a good system in place and a hacker came along who was either better than the programmers who made the system, or lucky enough to stumble upon an exploit.

Either way, Sony can't genuinely be blamed for it. It can be just 1 line of code out of 1 billion that brings down a system.

It's difficult to pinpoint this 1 line of code.

It's even harder when you don't know what you're looking for.

It's even harder again when you don't even know that there is something you're supposed to be looking for.

I say, find this hacker and give him a job. Pay him to hack the system again and again and again, exploiting and highlighting every single weakness so programmers can then repair the system.

My problem and what's seems to be the case for quite a bit of people, is not the fact the Sony was hacked, because shit happens. Eventually everyone gets hacked. Sony, on the other hand, waited a week from when they suspected that the data compromised until we, the consumer, were told about the breach.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Presumably because one would thing that a company as big as Sony could afford to secure their network against this kinda shit. And while it's true that no network is infallible it is possible to secure it to the point that only the most dedicated and persistent hackers could ever break it and even then it's take a long time. And it also raises the question of where the hell was the PSN's network administrator and why the hell was s/he not monitoring the situation and notice that a hack was in progress and counter it?

 

[Littlee300]

Because Sony is easiest to blame because no one knows who the hackers are.

That's the human race for you right there.

This.

I don't think many people really blame Sony. It's just therapeutic to lash out at someone or something when you're frustrated i.e. why people swear at their TVs while watching sports.

To quote the well recognised scholars from Slayer:

Hate heals, you should try it sometime

Anybody who actually does blame Sony and not the hackers is just being ignorant.

It's like going to someone's house to find it robbed, then blaming them for not double bolting all their doors.

Sure there's more that could have been done to prevent the situation, but the primary source of blame lies with the person who has made a conscious decision to rob them.

So true. It annoys me to hell when people blame the victim.
"Well it is her fault for getting sexually assaulted for going out dressed as that"

 

[Joshica Huracane]

I'm pretty sure that at the very least, the credit card info was encrypted, so I'm not all that pissed at Sony. I'm annoyed that it happened, but can understand how these things happen. I'm more sympathetic than anything, and I'd hate to be in the shoes of anyone working to fix this right now.

EDIT: And another thing, I'm a little confused as to how people are really THAT annoyed that Sony didn't tell us right away that our personal info may be compromised. When you give your details to any service or network or anything, and that then gets hacked, am I the only person whose first thought is:
"Well that means my personal info may have been leaked".

Sony shouldn't have had to say that it was a possibility in my view; as the risk of personal data leaks would (or should) be peoples first thoughts when a system is hacked. When they "Officially" found out, they told us within a day. I'm fine with this.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I say, find this hacker and give him a job. Pay him to hack the system again and again and again, exploiting and highlighting every single weakness so programmers can then repair the system.

That's what Sony needs to do, fire their current PSN network administrator, find this hacker, and then hire him as the new PSN network administrator.

 

[godofallu]

I'll answer your question if you answer mine, how can you not be mad at Sony?

 

[Littlee300]

for the same reason the bank guarding $77 million Dollars would get more hate than a bank robber If it was Robbed if they left one guy with a BB gun to guard all the money. People can't really hate on the bank robber as that's what bank robbers do, they rob banks, the bank on the other hand had a responsibility to protect the people's money that was stored and by failing miserably they would naturally receive lots of hate by the people who lost their money to the bank robbery. The only other option would be to hate on the existence of crime.

Um...yes you do blame the bank robbers, even though it's "what bank robbers do" it's still against the law and we punish them for it. If someone hacks into your home computer and steals your identity do you blame your yourself? or the person who stole your identity?

doesn't matter in that situation I'm only dealing with me and the criminal, if I took no precautions at all to protect my data and I suppose I would blame myself and the criminal for the data being stolen.

If my friend lent me his car however then I left it somewhere out in the open unprotected In the bad part of town and someone stole it I believe that my friend would probably blame me for being careless with his property is much easy would blame the robber for stealing it.

Sony didn't leave the data unprotected in the bad part of town.

I have read differently ie. not encrypting any of the data not hashing the oasswords and a myrid of other basic thing they had failed to do (could be wrong but ive herd this alot)

It's possible, but it seems highly unlikely. And don't get me wrong I'm not saying sony shouldn't be held partly responsible, but the major effort should be finding the hackers and beating the sh*t out of them. or bringing them to court but i like the first option better.

they will never find these people, even if they did all the evidence is long destroied. Unlike Captin cyber doushbag they did not go prancing around screaming their name to the heavens. They have likly wiped and destroied all the equipment they used for th break in and sold the infromation to who ever. (there is a market for it that is quite large)

They must have bragged about it to someone. It is like Tell Tale Heart. Committing the perfect crime and yet you can tell no one...

Look for anyone screaming about a beeping noise coming from somewhere you think someone would hide a computer...

 

[Jodah]

Sony is a big evil corporation. Hackers are Robin Hood, stealing from the rich to give to the poor. (except in this case they are stealing from everyone and giving to themselves but thats a minor detail)

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

Sony handled the situation very, very shittily.

I actually am more against the hackers in this instance though. Not because they hacked Sony, but because they're selling private information. I would side with the hackers if they weren't doing what they are doing to Sony's customers.

 

[Autofaux]

This is a serious security breach, involving multiple countries. Is any government going to step in to assist the tracking of this hacker or these hackers?

 

[Sentox6]

Either way, Sony can't genuinely be blamed for it. It can be just 1 line of code out of 1 billion that brings down a system.

This just blows my mind. It's disturbing that people can think this way.

Of course Sony can be genuinely blamed for it. This "everything can be hacked" attitude people have needs to go. Of course IT systems are very complex, and having a 100% secure system is probably a pipe dream. But you can make your systems prohibitively difficult to break into. By and large, most of the headline hacking incidents involve unsecured systems (and increasingly, social engineering), not some genuis hacker finding some fiendishly obscure backdoor. Having the entire database stolen raises some red flags.

By your logic, any company that loses customer data to hackers can just wash their hands and say "sorry guys, 1 line in a billion".

Of course people hate the hackers. They're the criminals, they stole the information, that's a given. But none of us gave our info to Sony expecting hackers not to hack. We gave it to Sony expecting Sony to keep it secure.

And yes, Sony have confirmed that the entire personal information dataset was kept unencrypted. Failing to at least hash passwords would be poor practice for an amateur web developer, let alone a multi-national corporation. This isn't just some obscure code vulnerability, this is a serious failing of security practices. So yeah, I will quite happily hate on Sony for failing to do what companies like Microsoft, VISA, Amazon, and countless others have managed to do for quite some time now: keep the majority of their customers' information safe.

 

[II2]

You're going to be pretty pissed at your security detail if they take an unannounced week off during which you get mugged.

 

[WanderingFool]

Because Sony is easiest to blame because no one knows who the hackers are.

That's the human race for you right there.

GFT.

Also, since the hacker(s) in question are still unidentified, would that mean...

...he/she/they are Anonymous!​

 

[Orcus The Ultimate]

let's keep our swords unsheated instead of thinking of doing the Seppuku...

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

Right this is seriously getting on my nerves, why are people directing all their hate about this PSN hack towards Sony and not the people who hacked PSN and took their details. Sony didn't choose to get hacked so why are they being blamed for it. Yes their security could have probably been better but surely any security system is hackable anyway. Maybe I'm wrong about this whole thing, I don't know, I just think all the Sony hate is a bit unreasonable. What are your opinions on this?

Because they left it so late to tell us that there was a possibility our info had been stolen.

 

[zelda2fanboy]

I don't even get the panic so much myself. They know name, address, birthdate, and phone number would have been accessible, but from what they could tell so far, the credit card data hadn't been touched. Most of the info that may have been stolen is stuff we all give away for nothing on facebook, resumes, job applications, surveys, contests, etc.

Agreed, completely. Any network can be hacked, and any information on the internet can be stolen. It's just how it is

The sad part of this story is all the the governments/politicians expressing their self important and self serving outrage and wanting to investigate (with our tax money, of course). Also, there are lawyers and class action lawsuits already. If Sony is found liable, that will be a big message to all game companies to not provide online features in their products anymore. It could be seen as too much of a financial risk.

 

[Nieroshai]

If you go black, you will get hacked

INB4 Xbox Live disabled and accounts stolen within a month

 

[Souplex]

They created a system that was vulnerable to hacks, and they had a lot of people put their trust in them. I don't think anyone intentionally put their trust in the hackers.

 

[SovietSecrets]

Sony failed massively. They're supposed to protect your information as much as possible, not let all of it leak out.

 

[Nieroshai]

Either way, Sony can't genuinely be blamed for it. It can be just 1 line of code out of 1 billion that brings down a system.

This just blows my mind. It's disturbing that people can think this way.

Of course Sony can be genuinely blamed for it. This "everything can be hacked" attitude people have needs to go. Of course IT systems are very complex, and having a 100% secure system is probably a pipe dream. But you can make your systems prohibitively difficult to break into. By and large, most of the headline hacking incidents involve unsecured systems (and increasingly, social engineering), not some genuis hacker finding some fiendishly obscure backdoor. Having the entire database stolen raises some red flags.

By your logic, any company that loses customer data to hackers can just wash their hands and say "sorry guys, 1 line in a billion".

Of course people hate the hackers. They're the criminals, they stole the information, that's a given. But none of us gave our info to Sony expecting hackers not to hack. We gave it to Sony expecting Sony to keep it secure.

And yes, Sony have confirmed that the entire personal information dataset was kept unencrypted. Failing to at least hash passwords would be poor practice for an amateur web developer, let alone a multi-national corporation. This isn't just some obscure code vulnerability, this is a serious failing of security practices. So yeah, I will quite happily hate on Sony for failing to do what companies like Microsoft, VISA, Amazon, and countless others have managed to do for quite some time now: keep the majority of their customer's information safe.

INTERESTING... Sony says the data WAS encrypted.