Why are Star Wars episodes I-III deemed so bad?

[EvilMuffin094]

Am I the only one who didn't have that much of a problem with Jar Jar Binks? xD

I kinda liked episode 1, Not so much episode 2, and I haven't even watched episode 3 yet.

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

For the biggest part, imo, was the fact that it decayed the character of Darth Vader into a blubbering, angsty teen and an annoying ass little kid.
Oh and midichlorians. What was wrong about the force being a mystic power that appears to some but not all?
I have to admit, though, I thought the Clones were pretty cool guys and Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon were cool.

 

[Talon_Skywarp]

Plot to ep 3

Join the dark side
Naaa
Join the dark side
Can't be arsed
Go on
No, bugger off
Please please I've got a spare ticket to Bring me the Horizon...
Why didn't you mention that.

My mind exploded

 

[Mr Pantomime]

Quote from RedLetterMedia, dont worry you missed it. The lightsaber duesl are not supposed to be "fights". If you watch them they are actually mroe conversations, with the swings of the saber being outpouring of emotion or punctionation to a sentence. The new movies are chereographed to perfect precision. I feel uncomfortable in the new movies and their flashy scenes, mainly because i dont really care who wins the fights but to each his own. The old movies are not supposed to be fights is what im saying anyway.

I didnt actually watch that RedLetterMedia review. My internet is way too slow. itl take about 20-25 mins to load an episode. Might look it up later, seems good. Again, i havent watched the films in a while, so ill take your word on the lightsaber battles outpouring emotion. I think id have to sum this up by saying that the original trilogy were real classics, with great scripting and characters, while the prequels were just shiny and fun. What do you think?

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

1./ Too much CG. The atmosphere of the original was greatly enhanced due to the sets and scenery looking real, not CG.
2./ instead of tying up loose ends from the first trilogy, Lucas stomped all over continuity... Example: Clone-Troopers from Jango Fett (sorry but the popularity of Boba Fett, an ancillary character that Lucas never intended for spotlight does not warrant a retcon of his accepted backstory).
3./ "When I met your father he was already a great pilot" paraphrased but it makes a point for me... the damn kid couldn't fly, he just hopped in a cockpit to hide and hit the wrong button. Force prod my ass... he's the accidental Jedi. We go from Vader, the Jedi Elite Badass lord of the Sith to this little petulant whiny bastard who acts more like Inspector Clouseau. In every movie he gets into lightsaber fights (except ANH and RotJ) he loses a limb.
4./ Jar-Jar was not comedic relief, rather an Ebola infested sore.
5./ George Lucas can write scripts, I'll give him that... but he can not direct for shit. Examples: Episode 4 was ok because it set up the plot but out of the original trilogy was the weakest of them. 5 and 6 were both directed by someone else who apparently understood how to put scenes and lines together to make people feel what the characters were going thru.
6./ Making "sorcery" into "science" by making the Force into tiny little creatures. The whole mystery of the Force was what made it cool.
There's a lot more but those are some of the gripes...
Oh yeah.. the Vader transformation scene. I can only say one word... "KHAN!!!"

 

[gl1koz3]

No problem with 'em. And can't say the setting (Star Wars in general) leaves a lot of room to look serious at all.

 

[kingcom]

Quote from RedLetterMedia, dont worry you missed it. The lightsaber duesl are not supposed to be "fights". If you watch them they are actually mroe conversations, with the swings of the saber being outpouring of emotion or punctionation to a sentence. The new movies are chereographed to perfect precision. I feel uncomfortable in the new movies and their flashy scenes, mainly because i dont really care who wins the fights but to each his own. The old movies are not supposed to be fights is what im saying anyway.

I didnt actually watch that RedLetterMedia review. My internet is way too slow. itl take about 20-25 mins to load an episode. Might look it up later, seems good. Again, i havent watched the films in a while, so ill take your word on the lightsaber battles outpouring emotion. I think id have to sum this up by saying that the original trilogy were real classics, with great scripting and characters, while the prequels were just shiny and fun. What do you think?

I think thats a fair analogy (assuming you exclude a few particularly painful parts, like the love story or the "nooooo!"), its also partially why people can hate them so much.

 

[Danpascooch]

Stupid convoluted plots, weak characters and the fact that every scene uses a blue screen.
watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI

Exactly, and it also shed all of the limitations of power the original trilogy established, thus putting a serious dent in the canon integrity.

I liked the new trilogy a lot more until I was about 13 and realized they were really preteen movies.

 

[Macheteswordgun]

Good by other films bad by star wars the last 3 bend the first 3 over and take it to brown town. But i think maybe just maybe some of the expanded universe stories are close or better than the last three

 

[Cid Silverwing]

It would be too much for me to retype, so just follow this link [http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/teamt/dw/dwr] and watch The Distressed Watcher's review of the prequel trilogy.

 

[qwertyzxy27]

A large part of it was Jar Jar. Comic relief was supposed to fall to C3PO and R2D2, adding in more comic relief characters made the serious story seem to fall short. Many argue that Hayden was a poor character choice though i agree i like the angle they took on young vaders character. It was ment to show his redeeming qualities and show him for the tortured anti hero he is. Another problem most have with the series is shifting it from a series drama with action elements to a full on action film, star wars is was always a prime candidate for huge action sequences and more were added with advanced special effects. All and all i thought the movies were good. they had darth maul liam neson as the coolest gray jedi in history, and even i can appreciate how hot portman was in episode two....

 

[Decabo]

THANK YOU! I'm sick of everybody else thinking ROTS was the best... Phantom Menace was the only one that had a decent plot.

Are you insane? How is blocking trade routes to over a tax dispute to create a crisis in the senate so Palpatine can promote himself politically a good plot? Revenge of the Sith is absolutely the best prequel.

 

[Macheteswordgun]

The original trilogy were about a noble group of civilians filling the roles of soldiers trying to overthrow a genuinely evil government depending on their bonds of friendship and common goals. A little romance. Suitable action sequences essential to the plot. And truly believable characters.

The new trilogy starts off with a romantic queens struggle for her peoples freedom but takes a left turn at "4th and Bananas" as Yahtzee would say and turns into a tale of a punk-kid trying to get up the queens skirt. And it focuses on that little pervert through a series of contrived set of reasons to blow shit up and kill off Jedi.

All because he wants ever lasting vagina and his mummy died *worlds smallest violin playing worlds saddest note* so hes a bad guy now

 

[Mr Pantomime]

Quote from RedLetterMedia, dont worry you missed it. The lightsaber duesl are not supposed to be "fights". If you watch them they are actually mroe conversations, with the swings of the saber being outpouring of emotion or punctionation to a sentence. The new movies are chereographed to perfect precision. I feel uncomfortable in the new movies and their flashy scenes, mainly because i dont really care who wins the fights but to each his own. The old movies are not supposed to be fights is what im saying anyway.

I didnt actually watch that RedLetterMedia review. My internet is way too slow. itl take about 20-25 mins to load an episode. Might look it up later, seems good. Again, i havent watched the films in a while, so ill take your word on the lightsaber battles outpouring emotion. I think id have to sum this up by saying that the original trilogy were real classics, with great scripting and characters, while the prequels were just shiny and fun. What do you think?

I think thats a fair analogy (assuming you exclude a few particularly painful parts, like the love story or the "nooooo!"), its also partially why people can hate them so much.

I think people find it hard to look at the prequels objectively, due to the popularty of the original series. They're no award winners, but not as terrible as some people would expect you to think. There were quite a few moments to hate in them though. Personally, I think George Lucas needs to be kept on a leash to produce anything good. Otherwise Star Wars Episode III happens. Noone want that. Except this person

They weren't bad films, they were just bad by Star Wars standards. Though personally, I really did like Ep. 3

 

[Hollock]

Bad dialogue (ESPECIALLY YODA, who turns EVERYTHING he says around, which he used to be able to pull of, making it sound good),

I think that it feels weird is because in the original he's a crazy guy in the swamp, and in the prequels he's the leader of all the jedi in the universe with his silly back talk.

OT: the prequels are genuinely bad, watch the video the first responder posted.

 

[Caligulove]

On top of what Im sure everyone is saying that also fits my opinion, my biggest problem is that nothing felt like the same universe. Everyone felt like actors dicking around on blue-screens with no real human factor, and the actors seem to know that.

That and all their philosophies with the Jedi that I remembered from Empire Strikes Back as a kid, that really captured my imagination were replaced with stupid, uninteresting lightsaber fights, that never made sense to me. They just had to have the lightsabers out ALL THE TIME. To me, I always thought it made sense in the original trilogy when Luke would still fight with the same run-and-gun that Han would do, but he would pull out the lightsaber when shit got real. And it was those moments, that also made you excited, since you know someone was gonna get fucked up when the lightsaber emerged.

But it was just everywhere in the prequel trilogy. That and it completely changed Yoda when they had him go into his crazy stupid CGI lightsaber fight.

The entire time I just felt that Lucas didn't understand his own property- but then again he didn't have nearly as many people checking and countering his ideas, seemed like there wasn't anyone to tell him that his ideas were stupid, for fear that the 'glorious' George Lucas would not be happy with them- so they let his stupid ideas make it into the final film (see JarJar)

 

[theklng]

Stupid convoluted plots, weak characters and the fact that every scene uses a blue screen.
watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI

jesus that video is 10 minutes long and there are 7 of them just watch the movie it take less time.

OT:meh they were okay probably not as bad as everyone makes them out to be, but there not as good as they should have been.

Emphasis on the 2.3 million views, potentially one of the best review series ive ever seen.

obviously not, since it's tl;dw

The Escapist, i give you the pinnicle of human evolution.

if greatness is measured in length or public opinion, then we'd be stuck in a sycophant circus of a society. greatness is measured in achievements.

urgh, kids.

 

[spartan231490]

- Awful acting, mainly Hayden's fault.
- Too much green screen.
- Two-dimensional characters.
- Gungans.
- Silly plot devices, even more silly than the original films.
- Taking a totally different direction than the original trilogy; way more action, less story and character development.
- Horrible dialogue.

And I don't mind the midi-chlorians that much. By the Nine people, they're just indications of Force sensitivity. They don't decide whether you're an awesome Jedi or anything, it has barely if anything to do with the Jedi and I don't see how they could take away so much of their mysticism.

There's no reason to hate them that much, there are far worse things about those movies.

I like the prequel trilogy far more than the original trilogy. The green screen is a little annoying, I'll give you that. But I love the gungans, they're hilarious. The plot devices aren't supposed to be simple, it's a fantasy. The original movie's character development is a joke. It all happens between movies. Luke completely changes between movies 5 and 6. None of his development takes place on screen, or even with any kind of cause given, it's just like, Luke needs to stop being a pussy, so now he's a total baddass. At least annikan's character is shown to become more and more depressed, angry and insane. The prequel trilogy had much more character development that was shown and had cause than the original series, where the characters just kind of evolved for arbitrary, unshown reasons.
I prefer the diologue in the prequel trilogy too.

 

[Macheteswordgun]

Didn't see anyone put it but there was the "virgin" birth of anakin...... yeah..... jesus........ George.... steals a plot device older than time its self

 

[Kukakkau]

I can't take any Star Wars films seriously anymore but I-III are the worst. I make fun of something every two seconds.

Children like the fights and don't understand the politics/big words
Adults just can't stand them because they are almost comically bad

Lucas should be locked in a retirement home now and someone trustworthy put in charge of his works. I mean even the games and books etc have to be run past him before an idea can be used. Which of course means he's going to change things to his way