I know right? I would have thought that someone who had never played it would know that they had no right to judge, but I guess not..chozo_hybrid said:
First Escapist account in 2009, better luck next time.chozo_hybrid said:
Why Are The Generation 1 Fans the Biggest Complainers About Each New Pokemon Generation?
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So in order to have any opinion on something, you must have first hand knowledge/experience of said thing. Right, like you would be like that with everything. All I said was that they looked silly, their back story is irrelevant when, in my opinion, they look silly. It's a visual thing, I don't have to play the game to form an opinion on that. I did say I wonder how the robot ones come to be, you could have been nice and just informed someone who didn't know, but instead you have to get on your high horse and act like your word is absolute.Sheen Lantern said:
New account. Again, how am I supposed to know that. You were being a bit rude, so I was nice anyway and figured that you were new due to the joined date. Instead it turns out you're someone who had an old account, that doesn't make you special, nor does it somehow make you superior to me or anyone else here.
Not really. Some abilitys for a small few, look at the stat comparison, just on average the first gen Pokemon have lower stats than say 4-5 gen and with another gen looming, hey are likely to be even more obselete, with the liklyhood of new pokemon with similar abilitys.Dragonbums said:
Im not exactly a hater but I have had a time trying to get back into it. the designs before were just more appealing to me. the asthetics of the new pokemon seem to clash with the new ones like it was a different set of artists designing them. It almost makes me think that I would probably like them if the originals and the new ones were separate universes but its hard for me to wrap my head around. the old mixing with the new that throws me off.Andy Shandy said:
I'm talking about Generation 5 specifically. Compared to the other generations, Gen 5 got the hate full force.SpunkeyMonkey said:
Of course ungodly amount was a bit of an overexaggeration, as someone who lurks the Pokemon threads- way more people hated Generation 5.
I think Generation 5 went a tad bit too far with adding powerhouse Pokemon. With Darmanitan pushing it to new levels(Like 170 base attack? Geez! To make it wose it had decent speed too!). I honestly hope that that is the power cap, and no new Pokemon next gen goes beyond that. I think Gen 5 was trying to bring new competitive Pokemon to the field aside from people using the obvious [insert dragon type here], Metagross, Tyranitor,and Milotic(That was then the most useful defense wall at the time)Tarcolt said:
I don't want the Gen 1 and 2 Pokemon to be irrelevant. However if they keep this up they are either going to have to give them some broken move like Zapdos having access to heatwave or they are going to have to up their base stats to accommodate for the new base stat standard they have started to set in Generation 5
Hypocritical, since you defended Muk by stating that there was a plausible reason on why something so rediculous would exist.chozo_hybrid said:
Again, hypocritical, do you not remember your condescending attitude towards me when you thought I was new?chozo_hybrid said:
I'm a Gen 1 fan, and I get frustrated with some of the new Pokemon. Like that fucking Washer/Fridge/Household Appliance Pokemon. That's fucking stupid. But then I look back at my favorite Gen and see Mr. Mime, and Jynx. They're just as stupid.
What I get frustrated the most about the newer gen Pokemon is that they usually go for more cutesy-styled Pokemon and less badass looking Pokemon (Charizard, Venusaur, Blastoise are fucking cool). And some of the legendaries get a lot less animalistic than I think they should.
What I do like about the newer gens is the improvement on evolution line differences. When you look back at Gen 1's Diglett to Dugtrio, Magnemite to Magneton, Koffing to Wheezing, Grimer to Muk, Krabby to Kingler, and a lot of the others, you get a little disappointed.
I haven't played Pokemon since Generation 2, but I'll probably return to it with this next Gen. 3D is finally here! Only 8 years late!
Edit: I forgot about the Voltorb to Electrode evolution. "We'll just turn it upside down and give it an angry face!" Good one, Gamefreak. Good one.
What I get frustrated the most about the newer gen Pokemon is that they usually go for more cutesy-styled Pokemon and less badass looking Pokemon (Charizard, Venusaur, Blastoise are fucking cool). And some of the legendaries get a lot less animalistic than I think they should.
What I do like about the newer gens is the improvement on evolution line differences. When you look back at Gen 1's Diglett to Dugtrio, Magnemite to Magneton, Koffing to Wheezing, Grimer to Muk, Krabby to Kingler, and a lot of the others, you get a little disappointed.
I haven't played Pokemon since Generation 2, but I'll probably return to it with this next Gen. 3D is finally here! Only 8 years late!
Edit: I forgot about the Voltorb to Electrode evolution. "We'll just turn it upside down and give it an angry face!" Good one, Gamefreak. Good one.
I'm sure a lot of people are just going to call me 'nostalgia blind' or whatever, but I'm one of the people who doesn't care much for the new generations. I loved the first gen (although it did have some really bad Pokemon like Mr. Mime, Porygon (one of the worst Pokemon, along with its evolutions), etc. etc. etc.) but at the generations went on it seemed like the games where loosing their creative spark. Generation 2 still had some really nice Pokemon such as Lugia, Houndoom, etc. and even generation 3 had a few good pokemon but as the series wore on it just seemed that the new Pokemon where all either overly complicated or poorly designed. Call me nostalgia blind, I really don't care, I can admit when a Pokemon is cool but most the new ones aren't.143
I've been playing since Gen I, and honestly, the Gen I games are awful (this isn't counting their Gen III remakes). Easily the worst of the franchise. Every single generation has been an improvement on the last.
It really makes me mad when people practically disown a new generation of Pokémon just because "oh, the designs are shit/unoriginal." A common cite in Gen V was Trubbish, 'cause it's a garbage bag. Like, are you kidding me? Pokémon has never been the be-all-end-all of great monster design/variety. (Something I love Digimon for.) Half of Gen I are the most basic designs ever. Though to be fair, it is just the one guy designing these 649+ monsters. Gotta give credit where credit is due.
Personally, my least favorite in terms of Pokémon design is Gen IV, and only really because I can hardly remember any of them. And my favorite is Gen V. There are quite a few that don't, ah, agree with my aesthetic tendencies (Gothitelle is the ugliest thing since Jynx), but there are a lot of great ones in there, too. Not just in design, but as actual fighters. 5/6 Pokémon in my current team are Gen V!
A lot of Gen I elitists are probably just fused to their nostalgia goggles.
Also, Rotom, the appliance Pokémon, is a Ghost-Type that possesses household appliances. It doesn't actually look like those things normally [http://img.pokemondb.net/artwork/rotom-normal.jpg]. I dunno if that helps at all, since its appliance forms are still kind of silly.
It really makes me mad when people practically disown a new generation of Pokémon just because "oh, the designs are shit/unoriginal." A common cite in Gen V was Trubbish, 'cause it's a garbage bag. Like, are you kidding me? Pokémon has never been the be-all-end-all of great monster design/variety. (Something I love Digimon for.) Half of Gen I are the most basic designs ever. Though to be fair, it is just the one guy designing these 649+ monsters. Gotta give credit where credit is due.
Personally, my least favorite in terms of Pokémon design is Gen IV, and only really because I can hardly remember any of them. And my favorite is Gen V. There are quite a few that don't, ah, agree with my aesthetic tendencies (Gothitelle is the ugliest thing since Jynx), but there are a lot of great ones in there, too. Not just in design, but as actual fighters. 5/6 Pokémon in my current team are Gen V!
A lot of Gen I elitists are probably just fused to their nostalgia goggles.
I think that's really just a result of Sugimori's art style shifting. There's a significant difference between how Pikachu looked in 1998 and how it looks now. Though there are plenty of badass 'mons around, I think.rasputin0009 said:
Also, Rotom, the appliance Pokémon, is a Ghost-Type that possesses household appliances. It doesn't actually look like those things normally [http://img.pokemondb.net/artwork/rotom-normal.jpg]. I dunno if that helps at all, since its appliance forms are still kind of silly.
Yes this, but we all know well and good that gen 6 is going to up the stakes stat wise at least(I'm all for the rumored new types) but gens 1 and maybe 2 need a stat revamp, they are constantly adding moves(they could allways ad more cough *Flareon*)but the stats have fallen behind. an extra 10 attack here or 15 speed there, and you bring back the originals plus you throw a wrench into the competitive scene(which is a bad joke) and watch them squirm!Dragonbums said:
I honestly think that "Genwunners" are just focused mainly on the nostalgia factor. Pokemon hasn't changed as much as people think it has and the games are still as enjoyable now as they were when they first came out.
I know that a lot of people complain about the designs, but that's just because the new designs are incredibly far away from Gen I. With each generation they come out with, the designers work on trying to make a stand-alone generation of designs that still mesh with the previous generation's design. This is mainly so things stay fresh and designs don't become stagnant. Also, people have to remember that a lot of the designs that pokemon received in the first generation were solely because of how capable the software and hardware was at the time. It'd be difficult to render some of the pokemon we have now in a way that they can be translated properly to the view in "Pokemon Classic" style!
I know that a lot of people complain about the designs, but that's just because the new designs are incredibly far away from Gen I. With each generation they come out with, the designers work on trying to make a stand-alone generation of designs that still mesh with the previous generation's design. This is mainly so things stay fresh and designs don't become stagnant. Also, people have to remember that a lot of the designs that pokemon received in the first generation were solely because of how capable the software and hardware was at the time. It'd be difficult to render some of the pokemon we have now in a way that they can be translated properly to the view in "Pokemon Classic" style!
I like to think its elitism and being around since the first gen so they feel like they've someone put in mroe than other people and that makes them better. I've bought at least one game in each generation of the main series since red/blue but that doesnt make me any better than a first timer.
Personally my favorite gen is Gen IV, both in terms of pokemon and story, least favorite is gen III but thats cause I didnt like the attack mechanic and thought the plot was pretty bad.
Id otn know, I can see why people wouldnt like it. its repetitive and none of the main games have ever really changed from Gen to Gen in terms of format, but I like that, and as much as people like to ***** for it to change, Nintendo wont. Pokemon is not going to grow up with you on the surface, and if you cant get past that or if that turns you off thats fine, but dont whine to the rest of us that are stll having ufn.
Personally my favorite gen is Gen IV, both in terms of pokemon and story, least favorite is gen III but thats cause I didnt like the attack mechanic and thought the plot was pretty bad.
Id otn know, I can see why people wouldnt like it. its repetitive and none of the main games have ever really changed from Gen to Gen in terms of format, but I like that, and as much as people like to ***** for it to change, Nintendo wont. Pokemon is not going to grow up with you on the surface, and if you cant get past that or if that turns you off thats fine, but dont whine to the rest of us that are stll having ufn.
Something that bugs me is everyone hating on the Pokemon that look "silly" and not "badass".
I understand that Magcargo, Rotom, and Garbodor aren't as attractive to you as Lucario, Charizard, or Tyranitar, but these silly or "ugly" Pokemon fill in an important niche. If every monster in the games looked like some steel dragon velociraptor wolf covered in flames and spikes and skulls, there wouldn't be any real standouts in the cool department. You need balance to enjoy the good Pokemon, and the "less attractive" ones keep the good ones looking good while appealing to weirdos like me. Variety is a good thing, right?
I understand that Magcargo, Rotom, and Garbodor aren't as attractive to you as Lucario, Charizard, or Tyranitar, but these silly or "ugly" Pokemon fill in an important niche. If every monster in the games looked like some steel dragon velociraptor wolf covered in flames and spikes and skulls, there wouldn't be any real standouts in the cool department. You need balance to enjoy the good Pokemon, and the "less attractive" ones keep the good ones looking good while appealing to weirdos like me. Variety is a good thing, right?
A Pokemon is literally garbage. My problem with the latest gens is that I've seen hundreds of better looking Pokemon people have done themselves on deviantART. I just don't like the designs, my personal favorite is gen 3 but after that they've sort of been going downhill till I stopped playing.
Got tired of the grind mostly. My time became more precious and the lackluster designs of the latest batch do not incentive's me to get back into the series.
Got tired of the grind mostly. My time became more precious and the lackluster designs of the latest batch do not incentive's me to get back into the series.
I actually really like the "literal garbage" pokemon! Considering that this was the first time a generation didn't include previous gen pokemon right out the bat was very interesting to me. I found those two pokemon one of the nice parallels to the first gen of pokemon. After all, first gen had pokemon that were literally toxic sludge.MrHide-Patten said:
A while back it used to be "Ever since Gold and Silver its all went to hell!" Now its all "Ruby and Sapphire were the last great Pokemon games!" Give it some time. While I found gen IV to be quite un-noteworthy, I can guarantee in a few years that at least gen V will be regarded as the high point, while gens VIII and IX are bemoaned.
I saw a comic taking the piss out of the latest batch and it showed that one and I thought it was something the comic creator did to take the piss, I started laughing/crying when I realized it was official.Kaxbe said:
But as I said, Gen 3 is my personal favorite, followed by Gen 2. Gen 1 is somewhere near the bottom I wasn't a huge fan, but it was great because there wasn't anything to compare it to.