why are weapons still legal in america?

[Croaker42]

Z-day happens the british are fucked.
Me, i have a gun. That and a gun controll meatshield.

 

[vampirekid.13]

Very, very naive.

For a start the UK doesn't allow fire-arms for civilians and so people knife each other instead. It is not uncommon.

sorry, only potential criminals have fire arms to begin with

That doesn't male any sense at all. Every human being is a potential criminal. Owning a gun doesn't make the slightest difference on whether they might try and hurt somebody.

and it would be easily enforced, god knows 3rd world countries can enforce the law to the point where almost no one has a gun im sure america could do it too.

You clearly kwno nothing about 3rd World countries then. Africa has a lot of militia in it's countries and they are armed very well.

yes i live in america, and im in the military. guns have no place in civilian hands.

You are in the military and chose the name "vampirekid"???

if at any point we go back to needing a "militia" you might as well move out of the country, because that means the army, national guard, marines, navy, and police is all dead.

Or that the Government has become Totalitarian and the normal people need to defend themselves against the corrupt, this is what I meant by naive.

On a side-note: If you don't want to be labelled (your avatar) it's best not to choose a cliché name like 'vampirekid' for an online alias.

1. owning a gun makes it easier.
2. i know that much, im just saying banning guns makes them more expensive, punk kids that want to rob a grocery store cant afford them. sure the top mafia dudes would still have them, but you cant change the world in 1 day.
3. just saying, some countries i lived in had them banned and not too much of an issue w/ em.
4. oh hey lets bring up the nickname, yea im from romania, so i get the whole "ooooh are you a vampire!!??!?!" thing all the time from retarded people in other countries so it just became a huge joke, hence the nickname.
5. ur acting as if the government and the military are the same thing. if the gov becomes anywhere close to totalitarian the military would stop it.
if the military attempts a coup the gov has enough other resources to stop it.

 

[clicketycrack]

The whole point of the militia is to overthrow the government if it becomes necessary.

 

[Connosaurus Rex]

Banning the sale of guns won't stop the illegal gun trade and black market. Also, Vampirekid13 your point about the third world countries is wrong in that those countries are dictatorships or a country of all farmers and tribal people. Here in the US we can't just say "you citizens can't have ______" or you'd get an uproar from the NRA and such and you couldn't do anything about it since here we can protest while in 3rd world countries they can put that protest down.

 

[vampirekid.13]

I love how people seem to think there's some kind of civil war going on in the U.S. between criminals and civilians and if civilians don't own guns, it'll mean the end of country as we know it.

Yeah, let's just completely forget the fact that Europe still has gun control and hasn't turned into a post-apolacptic wasteland yet.

this pretty much sums it up.


to whoever said that if you want ppl dead you can still kill them, yea i already adressed that, it would still lower homocides/crimes because not everyone wants someone dead all that much.

 

[flare09]

Because sometimes the cops take a while to get to your house? Seriously, would you rather wait a few minutes while the cops get to your house. Or would you end the situation your own way, and your family isn't hurt?

 

[Zenode]

The American Economy.

Its based around a War Machine, a war economy is described as one that uses more than 20% of its economy on the buildings of weaponry.

So there is your answer MONEY

Australia took guns away and even if you expand our population out to America's we stil have 9000 less gun murders than you per year so yeh gun control works.

America's Argument:but the bad guys have the guns

So what, thats why you have police to take them away from those people.

Holy crap, thats the most dumbass argument Ive ever heard. You have less murders per head of population because Australia is fucking huge & has no guns. It would take you a week to walk to the store to buy the bullets. W T F ?

Australia is about the same size as the United States >.>

 

[Hazy]

Also,, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

This puts it as simply as possible.
You can load a gun, lay it down, and it won't fire until the trigger is pulled by another being.
And we automatically demonize the firearm.

And you can claim "Well, there are No cases of people defending themselves with firearms" and I would have to say that there are probably plenty. The media just does not want to advertise them. They choose to go with the "[Insert Name here] Was killed by Gun Violence" Story instead, to keep the people in fear, and sway their thoughts towards Anti-Gun Boulevard.

 

[TheTygerfire]

"Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

so basically, it says people have the right to bear arms because a militia is needed.

well, a militia is MOST DEFINATELY NOT needed anymore. we have the army and the national guard, and police.

so why havent guns been made illegal yet? (w/ exception of hunting rifles)

i dont get it, its like people just like seeing more homocides...

Do you know what the hell you're talking about?

1) If we don't have a well armed militia, the government can become too powerful. I don't support militia men (as they think things are already bad in that regard), but the idea of being ready should a dictator rise up is good.

2) This is an old argument, yes, but it's still sound. Making guns illegal insures that only those who break the law will have them. Normal citizens will be unable to protect themselves.

3) The National Guard and the police ARE the government, and when push comes to shove are the people the militia will more than likely be fighting against.

4) Owning a gun doesn't make you a future murderer, period. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

5) If you want to ban guns, how come hunting rifles are okay? Last I checked, a bullet from one of those can kill people, too. You just inferred all people who own guns will kill someone.

 

[eggcarrier]

For starters, its Homicides.
There have been many court cases and debates on this issue. Personally, the heart of the matter is whether or not a citizen has the right to choose whether to own a gun or not. If they so choose, there are procedures in place, licensing and training, for said weaponry. And there are still some guns that are illegal to own; otherwise we'd all carry an Uzi.
And whether guns are illegal or not in regards to violent activities is irrelevant. One of my favorite sayings is 'anything can be a weapon if you hold it right'. People will kill if they choose to, whether there are guns around or not.

 

[Del-Toro]

Do you actually live in the U.S.A.? Furthermore, there may not be a need for a militia right now, but no one knows for certain what the future holds. In the event that a militia is needed, I'd much rather have a healthy gun industry, rather than an anemic one which couldn't meet production demand in a time of crisis.

Oh, and making firearms illegal only keeps them out of the hands of honest people. Criminals don't give a damn about such laws.

Exactly, just about every homicide (that's something else the idiotic OP got wrong, the spelling) involving guns involves illegal firearms. Licenced guns would be too easy to track. The system as he would want it involves taking the guns out of the hands of people who would use them to protect their homes and families whilst the weakening border patrols mean it's doing nothing to take them away from people who would use them to harm those who are now disarmed and defenceless. Besides, tomorrow isn't guaranteed, that safety net could save America one day.

 

[sneakypenguin]

The American Economy.

Its based around a War Machine, a war economy is described as one that uses more than 20% of its economy on the buildings of weaponry.

So there is your answer MONEY

Australia took guns away and even if you expand our population out to America's we stil have 9000 less gun murders than you per year so yeh gun control works.

America's Argument:but the bad guys have the guns

So what, thats why you have police to take them away from those people.

But police can't look at freaking chicago hows gun control working there?(over july 4th 8 ppl killed 24 wounded and 200+ killed this year)
You can't compare AU or the EU countries to america we have a much more "violent" culture in areas with high minority populations(not racist) and we have a much higher gun ownership rate I would imagine.

 

[Destal]

You really think the military would overthrow the gov? Who do think is in charge of the military? You obviously, aren't in the military. Our Commander in Chief is the President, we aren't a seperate entity. Also, how many "punk kids" do you think actually buy the weapon legally? Once you have a felony you CANNOT buy firearms in most states(I think it's all but I'm not sure). So they sure as hell aren't buying them legally.

Oh and Europe has a MUCH higher crime rate than the US since they banned firearms...imagine that.

 

[Nmil-ek]

I love how people seem to think there's some kind of civil war going on in the U.S. between criminals and civilians and if civilians don't own guns, it'll mean the end of country as we know it.

Yeah, let's just completely forget the fact that Europe still has gun control and hasn't turned into a post-apolacptic wasteland yet.

this pretty much sums it up.


to whoever said that if you want ppl dead you can still kill them, yea i already adressed that, it would still lower homocides/crimes because not everyone wants someone dead all that much.

I really doubt it would lower the crime rates, hell Britain has some of the tightest gun control laws in the world if not THE and we are still the murder capital of Europe. What does need to happen though is tighter gun regulation better background checks and outright denying some people the right to purchase a weapon (religious extremists for one)

 

[vampirekid.13]

Why the exception for hunting rifles do they not kill people to?

The supreme court ruled the 2a is an individual right the founding fathers meant it as one.

with the exception of hunting rifles because you cant conceal a hunting rifle very well and go rob a store with it, and shoot the clerk because he tries to push the alarm.

 

[CheeseFlareUK]

"Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

so basically, it says people have the right to bear arms because a militia is needed.

well, a militia is MOST DEFINATELY NOT needed anymore. we have the army and the national guard, and police.

so why havent guns been made illegal yet? (w/ exception of hunting rifles)

i dont get it, its like people just like seeing more homocides...

Someone hasn't done any research. Fully automatic firearms are in fact illegal. Its only manual and semi automatic that are legal. Not to mention the fact that if they were made illegal only innocent people would not have them. Criminals would import them from places like Russia and china.

 

[Legion]

1. owning a gun makes it easier.
2. i know that much, im just saying banning guns makes them more expensive, punk kids that want to rob a grocery store cant afford them. sure the top mafia dudes would still have them, but you cant change the world in 1 day.
3. just saying, some countries i lived in had them banned and not too much of an issue w/ em.
4. oh hey lets bring up the nickname, yea im from romania, so i get the whole "ooooh are you a vampire!!??!?!" thing all the time from retarded people in other countries so it just became a huge joke, hence the nickname.
5. ur acting as if the government and the military are the same thing. if the gov becomes anywhere close to totalitarian the military would stop it.
if the military attempts a coup the gov has enough other resources to stop it.

1: It makes it easier to kill somebody yes. It also makes it harder to get away with it as guns make noise.

2: I'm sure it's not hard to get a few cheap weapons from a "friend of a friend", even if they were illegal.

3: I am not saying they should not be banned, because I think they should. I was merely saying your reasons are wrong.

4: Fair enough.

5: The military answers to the government. If they went corrupt then some would stop it, but not those blindly loyal to "The Flag" or "America" rather than it's people.

You reckon all the soldiers in the Middle East support the war? I doubt it, they still go anyway.

You really think the military would overthrow the gov? Who do think is in charge of the military? You obviously, aren't in the military. Our Commander in Chief is the President, we aren't a seperate entity. Also, how many "punk kids" do you think actually buy the weapon legally? Once you have a felony you CANNOT buy firearms in most states(I think it's all but I'm not sure). So they sure as hell aren't buying them legally.

Oh and Europe has a MUCH higher crime rate than the US since they banned firearms...imagine that.

I agree with all points but one. The last.

Europe is not a country, it's a collection of about 50, all with different laws/police, so your point is invalid in relation to crime.

 

[vampirekid.13]

"Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

so basically, it says people have the right to bear arms because a militia is needed.

well, a militia is MOST DEFINATELY NOT needed anymore. we have the army and the national guard, and police.

so why havent guns been made illegal yet? (w/ exception of hunting rifles)

i dont get it, its like people just like seeing more homocides...

Someone hasn't done any research. Fully automatic firearms are in fact illegal. Its only manual and semi automatic that are legal. Not to mention the fact that if they were made illegal only innocent people would not have them. Criminals would import them from places like Russia and china.

i know that, im saying why havent we banned handguns, shotguns, etc etc. keep hunting rifles because those are hard to hide anyway. but get rid of the rest.

1. owning a gun makes it easier.
2. i know that much, im just saying banning guns makes them more expensive, punk kids that want to rob a grocery store cant afford them. sure the top mafia dudes would still have them, but you cant change the world in 1 day.
3. just saying, some countries i lived in had them banned and not too much of an issue w/ em.
4. oh hey lets bring up the nickname, yea im from romania, so i get the whole "ooooh are you a vampire!!??!?!" thing all the time from retarded people in other countries so it just became a huge joke, hence the nickname.
5. ur acting as if the government and the military are the same thing. if the gov becomes anywhere close to totalitarian the military would stop it.
if the military attempts a coup the gov has enough other resources to stop it.

1: It makes it easier to kill somebody yes. It also makes it harder to get away with it as guns make noise.

2: I'm sure it's not hard to get a few cheap weapons from a "friend of a friend", even if they were illegal.

3: I am not saying they should not be banned, because I think they should. I was merely saying your reasons are wrong.

4: Fair enough.

5: The military answers to the government. If they went corrupt then some would stop it, but not those blindly loyal to "The Flag" or "America" rather than it's people.

You reckon all the soldiers in the Middle East support the war? I doubt it, they still go anyway.

i am telling you this from first hand experience.

the military is full of people that would turn right around and slaughter everyone in the government at the first sign of anything but democracy being implemented.

judging on my experiences w/ ppl in the military its all the people that love democracy... just because the gov said otherwise doesnt mean its going to be allowed.