Why aren't more realistic and serious animated movies being made?

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Queen Michael

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JustOrdinary said:
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It's not really for judging mature content, though I guess it seems that way. It's for judging whether the movie resembles movies like Three Colors: Red and Match Point. You know, the kind of movies that it seems are only made live-action.
Then why would you bother creating a list at all if even you realize how utterly worthless its merits are? And then demand that people post an example of a movie that still restricts itself to them?

Hell, instead of arbitrarily copying from your own post in an attempt to be condescending, perhaps you could formulate new words and sentences to explain what is it you're trying to obtain from such a pointless discussion?

You're already aware that animations are made to convey a narrative in a unique, stylistic manner. Various people in this thread have already stated different instances of Japanese animation where the subject matter is inherently adult-themed in nature, e.g Paprika. Movies made in real-time have also taken stylistic approaches to telling stories e.g Schindler's List and Sin City, both which relied on certain 'viewing filters' for the visuals. Those movies could have just as easily been shown in 'realistic' colors, but they weren't.

The real question here is, so what if they can be? Does that honestly make them better movies for it?

Who framed Roger Rabbit is a movie made in real-time interspersed with cartoonish visuals. It's meant for adults because the central theme deals with adult content - namely, murder. There is plenty of childish humor to be found, but the movie was released at a time when adults watched cartoons as much as kids did i.e the looney tunes era. Which is why a character like Jessica Rabbit exists. Her sexual advances simply wouldn't fly in a kids flick these days.


Your concept of what makes an 'adult movie' is inherently flawed. And no, I'm not using your criteria to judge this, I'm using basic deduction. Do us both a favor and avoid quoting yourself if you plan on replying to this post.
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Tanakh said:
Just because you are ignorant of something, doesn't mean something doesn't exists. Sorry if i sound a little offensive, but the way the OP is redacted pissed me off a little.

Also, it's not the only one, not by a long. Sorry to see that you still have a long way in animation.
A thousand times this. These "criteria" are less the rules of an adult-oriented movie and more your preconceived notions of an adult-oriented movie. If anything, you're only reinforcing the perceived divide between animation and live-action films.

...to say nothing of the fact that live-action film itself is nothing more than animation.
I just don't like the fact that if I want to watch an animated film I can't find one like, say, Match Point. There's no reason that animated films shouldn't have plots like that film, so how come nobody makes them? Why limit animated films to the ones that fit the criteria I banned in my rules? The films I banned in my rules aren't bad, I just don't see why they should be the only ones being made.
 

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Aw, shite. Now you've reminded me that I haven't gotten around to watching Five centimeters per second since I bought it yet.

I can't really think of any others than that one and Grave of the fireflies off the top of my head.
I don't really watch a lot of animated films. I like series better.
 

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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1185616/

Probably the darkest animation ever. It's a war film, it has swearing, it's very adult. It's based on a true story. It isn't for children.
 

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Bluntman1138 said:
"Individual science fiction stories may seem as trivial as ever to the blinder critics and philosophers of today - but the core of science fiction, its essence has become crucial to our salvation if we are to be saved at all. " -Isaac Asimov



1. I am sorry, but to exclude Sci-Fi and Fantasy animated movies is asinine, IMO. Most of the MOST successful movies of all time have been Sci-Fi and Fantasy. Most of the most successful literature in all history as been Fantasy or Sci-fi.

2. Many great films dont include swearing, even in the modern age. And considering "swear words" are subjective, your point is moot. (Many people think Hell and saying Jesus Christ is a "swear word")

3. There are a lot of animated movies that doesnt sound like a kids movie when just describing the plot. Think about it, if the Lion King was made of people, would the plot still be a "children's movie"

4.Plenty of non-comedy animated movies. Of course, a majority of them are in the Sci-Fi/Fantasy genre. Who wants to watch an animated version of Pride and Predjudice?

5. True story? Then that rules out almost all animation(And a majority of Films and Literature) . You put these in your list that defy your own "true story" rule. Prince of Egypt (Bible Based, only "true to a minority of the worlds population) American Pop, a GREAT movie, but couldnt be a true story, realisticly.

And when you exclude all these points, Your "IMPORTANT NOTE: Take into account the Futurama Movies: Sci-Fi, Comedy, Swearing,Realistic proportion, and since it takes place 1000 years in the future it could possibly be true. Yet these movies COULD NOT be done as live action, even if it was free to produce.

You exclude about 99 percent of animated movies with your list. And that is unrealistic. Considering that following your list, some of the best movies and literature ever made wouldnt count, but could also equally be acceptable for children.
I'm not saying movies that don't fit my rules aren't bad. I just wish that 99% of them weren't live-action. Animation shouldn't limit itself as much as it does, it's missing out on great opportunities.

And to be honest, I don't get #4. Why wouldn't people want to see an animated Pride & Prejudice? It'd probabyl be a pretty interesting film. People see the live-action ones, why would the fact that it's animated put people off?

And concerning rule 5, I didn't say that it has to be a true story. I only said that it has to be so realistic that it could be passed off as a true story.
 

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The Iron Giant.

That is all.

Great Movie. But when you watch it does not really seem like a kids movie.
 

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Whenever someone questions adults liking some of the great animated movies, I look at them as one of the weak of mind, and if they really wanna talk about it, make a similarly condescending comment about how I'm sorry they can't enjoy it.
 

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Incredibly poor OP structure, but I know what you're talking about, at least.

Realistically speaking, however, your requirements are illogical when talking about an animated movie, as very few people would make an animated movie specifically to resemble real life.

I know some do, as with Grave of the Fireflies, and Whisper of the Heart but, by definition, animated movies aren't supposed to parallel real life.

If you're looking for movies that are realistic, contain swearing, no fantasy/sci-fi elements, ect... Then just watch normal movies and television, because almost all animated movies break one or all of your rules.
 

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even when studios do make animated films, a majority of them have adult humour in it that children will not see. so technically unless it is for DVD and has either Dora, Barbie or Diego in it then it will have some adult content.
 

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Queen Michael said:
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I'm not saying movies that don't fit my rules aren't bad. I just wish that 99% of them were live-action. Animation shouldn't limit itself as much as it does, it's missing out on great opportunities.

And to be honest, I don't get #4. Why wouldn't people want to see an animated Pride & Prejudice? It'd probabyl be a pretty interesting film. People see the live-action ones, why would the fact that it's animated put people off?

And concerning rule 5, I didn't say that it has to be a true story. I only said that it has to be so realistic that it could be passed off as a true story.
Well, it is a lot cheaper to do animation. Voice acting is cheaper than real acting, and most times you get more convincing potrayals of a character just through voice acting. It take less time to do an animated movie than a big budget live-action movie. I for one would NOT want to see a Live action Futurama movie, it would be shitty.

And no, a lot of movies would not translate well into animation. A lot of live action films are boring or just plain stupid. And i put pride and predjudice in there, because it is boring as shit. Live action movie and book included. Or maybe War and Peace. And some movies would play out better live action than animation. Moby Dick comes to mind, that would suck ass animated, but is good live action because more emotion and drama can be displayed. I think this is what we are getting at, Drama can be portrayed better Live action than animated, based soley on the actors playing the parts. Hamlet with Patrick Stuart comes to mind as well. It is harder to convey drama in animation than in live action.

And with number 5, that is what i was getting at. You think that frogs raining from the sky, and a mist that kills specifically first born children is "realistic" in any way. And American Pop, honestly, couldn't be a true story as well, great that it is. And imo couldnt work as a live action movie as well, though "realistic" it may be.
 

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Pick any Ghost In The Shell movie.

Can't be bothered to explain why, as the "Troll thread" theory has some credibility, in my eyes.

It would be rather wasted on a kid, though.
 

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BECK: Mongolian Chop Squad
Not 100% sure if this counts, but it's the closest that I can think of right now. I haven't finished the series, but I'm pretty sure that it doesn't go off the wall at any point.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434662/
 

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Bluntman1138 said:
Queen Michael said:
Bluntman1138 said:
I'm not saying movies that don't fit my rules aren't bad. I just wish that 99% of them were live-action. Animation shouldn't limit itself as much as it does, it's missing out on great opportunities.

And to be honest, I don't get #4. Why wouldn't people want to see an animated Pride & Prejudice? It'd probabyl be a pretty interesting film. People see the live-action ones, why would the fact that it's animated put people off?

And concerning rule 5, I didn't say that it has to be a true story. I only said that it has to be so realistic that it could be passed off as a true story.
Well, it is a lot cheaper to do animation. Voice acting is cheaper than real acting, and most times you get more convincing potrayals of a character just through voice acting. It take less time to do an animated movie than a big budget live-action movie. I for one would NOT want to see a Live action Futurama movie, it would be shitty.

And no, a lot of movies would not translate well into animation. A lot of live action films are boring or just plain stupid. And i put pride and predjudice in there, because it is boring as shit. Live action movie and book included. Or maybe War and Peace. And some movies would play out better live action than animation. Moby Dick comes to mind, that would suck ass animated, but is good live action because more emotion and drama can be displayed. I think this is what we are getting at, Drama can be portrayed better Live action than animated, based soley on the actors playing the parts. Hamlet with Patrick Stuart comes to mind as well. It is harder to convey drama in animation than in live action.

And with number 5, that is what i was getting at. You think that frogs raining from the sky, and a mist that kills specifically first born children is "realistic" in any way. And American Pop, honestly, couldn't be a true story as well, great that it is. And imo couldnt work as a live action movie as well, though "realistic" it may be.
First of all: I messed up. I meant to say "I just wish that 99% of them WEREN'T live-action."

Secondly, what do you mean by the word "drama"? Emotion? Then all that's needed is the right drawing style. And if that's not what you mean, then what?
"And i put pride and predjudice in there, because it is boring as shit. Live action movie and book included." You may think so, but that doesn't answer why other people wouldn't see it. With the right artwork, emotions could be conveyed perfectly fine.
 

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I heard bad things about it, but... FInal Fantasy: The Spirits Within seems to fit your criteria.

Or how about Beowulf?
Edit: Or Ultramarines: The Movie?
 

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YuheJi said:
I heard bad things about it, but... FInal Fantasy: The Spirits Within seems to fit your criteria.

Or how about Beowulf?
Grendel is a fantasy element, sorry. And The Spirits Within is sf. Thanks anyway.
 

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Yes toy story 3 had toys saving each other BUT it had a message like most other Pixar movies :l
just read the wikipedia page ( i think its there )
 

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meow said:
Yes toy story 3 had toys saving each other BUT it had a message like most other Pixar movies :l
just read the wikipedia page ( i think its there )
I never said it didn't have a message. What's your point? (I'm not trying to be condescending, I'm genuinely curious.)