Why being an ass with women and people in general?

[More Fun To Compute]

Nope, I mentioned nerds because they might be weak on the outside but I also mention average or people in general.

So you can understand that nerds would be bullies and misogynists because they are weak and it only confuses you that normal respectable people could act that way?

 

[squid5580]

Spoiler: Gabe explains this pretty well

Yeah, the internet are full of asshats who will make fun of and insult anything that's not them because.. hell I don't know really.

I stopped bothering with Xbox live because whenever I'd forget to switch from my Ebonics voice I would be referred to as "******" about 10,000 times. Every game. Without fail. And then I'd get some interesting private messages regarding my parentage. Made me lose a little hope in gamers in specific and humanity in general? Maybe.

Everyone who's not a generic white male has to put up with it, so I don't take it too personally. And at least its a great way of filtering out people who are complete idiots before you waste your time possibly getting to know them. Silver lining?

Wow really? You cry about racism then turn around as use it yourself. I got news for you bud speaking as a generic straight white male WE TAKE JUST AS MUCH ABUSE AS YOU DO. The difference? We don't get the option of crying racism everytime it happens. We have to suck it up.

Now don't be confused. I am not condoning any of this type of negative behaviour online. It should not happen FULL STOP. Not that it shouldn't happen because you are black, mexican, female or any other "minority" who thinks you are being treated unfairly online. Bullshit like that only reinforces the behavior.

 

[MAUSZX]

Nope, I mentioned nerds because they might be weak on the outside but I also mention average or people in general.

So you can understand that nerds would be bullies and misogynists because they are weak and it only confuses you that normal respectable people could act that way?

It was an example, or assumption. I didn't mean that, but you can make interpretations the way you want. Sorry if some comments were not so clear and offended you or anyone.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

Seriously, I'm male, but I saw a webpage where people upload offensive things gamers always tell to women.

Umm...how long have you been using the internet exactly? There are websites for anything and everything you can possibly imagine, and most everything you can't imagine as well. You're kidding yourself if you don't think there aren't any sites dedicated entirely to anti-male humor.

But crusade on if you feel the need to, brother. Fight the good fight and all that...

I'd agree except women can't be funny! *hides*

That's an entirely different subject, but it's strange how Jimmy Carr and Frankie Boyle and so many other male stand ups do jokes against women, (and I find them funny in the main, realising that they're JOKES), and that's fine, because it's ironic, but when female standups do any kind of material about the failings of men, they're just being a big feminist dykey lezza.

Trouble is, they do have a kind of point, when you see the range of comic styles of men, why do nearly all female stand ups base their stuff on relationships? Where's the female Eddie Izzard, Steven Wright, Bill Hicks, Milton Jones?

Sorry, didn't mean to derail, just I recently read some feminist site and even they were bashing female comedians, some of whom I really like.

 

[MisterShine]

Wow really? You cry about racism then turn around as use it yourself.

What? I don't mean its necessarily all white people who do the shit talking (either all white people do it or that all the people who do it are white themselves), I'm just saying that whenever any characteristics OTHER than generic heterosexual white male is displayed (be it female, black, hispanic, gay, etc, take your pick), an inordinate amount of shit is spewed against it. That's what I meant, and that's the truth.

I'll leave the rest of the paragraph alone, as then we're crossing into politics territory and that's not the point of this thread.

Now don't be confused. I am not condoning any of this type of negative behaviour online. It should not happen FULL STOP. Not that it shouldn't happen because you are black, mexican, female or any other "minority" who thinks you are being treated unfairly online. Bullshit like that only reinforces the behavior.

I don't think people should be treated unfairly for being white either. Just because you happen to look like/are the descendants of the people who raped most of the world for a couple centuries doesn't mean you should take shit for it. What my post was addressing was the fact that the OP's statement on why women got so much shit wasn't really about the fact that they were women, but because they are different from the perceived norm online. I didn't mean it to come across as accusing of all white people.

Online gaming has gotten a lot better than when I got into it, but lets not pretend that there is at all an even distribution of hate for being what you are online and identifying as such.

There just isn't.

 

[Hader]

People hide behind the internet to be something they want to be on the outside
For a sense of power I suppose.
Either way the best thing to do is ignore it
They're a very select few who do what you described.
Basically they aren't worth anyones time.

This basically. Ignore trolls. Yeah, they are assholes most of the time, but ignoring them is such an easy solution. And it might even piss them off in return, giving you the laugh they might have been hoping for themselves.

 

[squid5580]

Wow really? You cry about racism then turn around as use it yourself.

What? I don't mean its necessarily all white people who do the shit talking (either all white people do it or that all the people who do it are white themselves), I'm just saying that whenever any characteristics OTHER than generic heterosexual white male is displayed (be it female, black, hispanic, gay, etc, take your pick), an inordinate amount of shit is spewed against it. That's what I meant, and that's the truth.

I'll leave the rest of the paragraph alone, as then we're crossing into politics territory and that's not the point of this thread.

Now don't be confused. I am not condoning any of this type of negative behaviour online. It should not happen FULL STOP. Not that it shouldn't happen because you are black, mexican, female or any other "minority" who thinks you are being treated unfairly online. Bullshit like that only reinforces the behavior.

I don't think people should be treated unfairly for being white either. Just because you happen to look like/are the descendants of the people who raped most of the world for a couple centuries doesn't mean you should take shit for it. What my post was addressing was the fact that the OP's statement on why women got so much shit wasn't really about the fact that they were women, but because they are different from the perceived norm online. I didn't mean it to come across as accusing of all white people.

Online gaming has gotten a lot better than when I got into it, but lets not pretend that there is at all an even distribution of hate for being what you are online and identifying as such.

There just isn't.

I am not concerned about seeing an even distribution of hate. That is completely irrelevant to the fact it shouldn't exist. And concerning yourself with only one or two groups because you can relate to said group(s) is only making more of this "us VS them" mentality which is just breeding more hate.

There is 2 major flaws with your post

1. You are judging the entire online community because of a few people who are louder than the rest. Just because 1 person in a match says something derogitory you don't usually hear a peep from the other 14 in the same match. Just because they are louder and there isn't any "white kights" jumping in to defend you doesn't mean they aren't offended. Or they feel the same way as the racist.

2. The perceived "norm" online is 12 yr old kids singing into their mics. If of course the internet is to be believed. You will take more offense to this if you are a 12 yr old kid who sings into their mic than I do who is neither 12 or sings at all. Because to you it is more personal than it is to me.

There is a difference between hatred and competitiveness. Far to often an insult coming from competitiveness feels like hate when that was not the intention. I am not saying all but I am saying there is some overreactions that go on.

 

[Robborboy]

It comes with ther territory of gaming.
Halo? Has it.
Warcraft 3? Has it.
Team Fortress 2? Has it.
World of Warcraft? Has it.
Moonbase Alpha? Has it.
Battlefield 2? Has it.
Command and Conquere? Has it.

If it is an online game I have played, I have experienced racism, cursing, immaturity, etc. etc. on it.

It just comes with being a video game, be it PC, PS3, Xbox 360, or Wii. They all have it, and the fact of the matter is, you have to deal with it or find another hobby. Parents now'a'days will buy their child whatever they want, be it a gaming PC or a console just to keep them out of their hair. And this is not even limited to America. UK, Japan, Russia, they're all like it.

I guess that is why "mute switches" are so prevelant. But really, is it so hard just to mute them and go on?

Maybe vent your frustration on something like learning guitar instead of coming to forums and talking about it.

 

[MAUSZX]

It comes with ther territory of gaming.

I guess that is why "mute switches" are so prevelant. But really, is it so hard just to mute them and go on?

Maybe vent your frustration on something like learning guitar instead of coming to forums and talking about it.

Lol No I commonly play single player, i just played online like 10% I spend i games.
The offense it was on a message and again it didn't offend me, but yeah I'm kinda frustrated because this kind of behavior is NORMAL and it gets worst against women.

I'm putting this in a forum maybe to vent the frustration, but also I notice games want to be consider like "art" and politics have a flag that videogames are danger to society, just imagine in court someone plays COD or whatever as a demonstration of the danger and judges just hear sexist people, racist and kids playing a game rated M.

 

[Robborboy]

It comes with ther territory of gaming.

I guess that is why "mute switches" are so prevelant. But really, is it so hard just to mute them and go on?

Maybe vent your frustration on something like learning guitar instead of coming to forums and talking about it.

Lol No I commonly play single player, i just played online like 10% I spend i games.
The offense it was on a message and again it didn't offend me, but yeah I'm kinda frustrated because this kind of behavior is NORMAL and it gets worst against women.

I'm putting this in a forum maybe to vent the frustration, but also I notice games want to be consider like "art" and politics have a flag that videogames are danger to society, just imagine in court someone plays COD or whatever as a demonstration of the danger and judges just hear sexist people, racist and kids playing a game rated M.

That would actually be a great thing to happen. It would put video games under the same eye that media such as movies are. Requiring by law that you must be a certain age to buy the game just like you have to be en order to see a film.

Potentially going as far as to ban/fine accounts that are found to be in use by someone younger than the age on the account.

Video games are far beyond due to be taken seriously as a media, and that is the logical next step.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Potentially going as far as to ban/fine accounts that are found to be in use by someone younger than the age on the account.

Video games are far beyond due to be taken seriously as a media, and that is the logical next step.

People don't care about the industry being seen seriously as content provider when it comes to selling age inappropriate content or putting kids in environments like xbox live. That sort of talk is strictly for the developers who wish that people took their jobs more seriously at dinner parties and isn't allowed to affect the bottom line. It helps to be a bit cynical to make sense of these things.

But it isn't really young kids who start this sort of behaviour although they are quick to pick it up and use it in a more tasteless way than adults.

 

[Robborboy]

Potentially going as far as to ban/fine accounts that are found to be in use by someone younger than the age on the account.

Video games are far beyond due to be taken seriously as a media, and that is the logical next step.

People don't care about the industry being seen seriously as content provider when it comes to selling age inappropriate content or putting kids in environments like xbox live. That sort of talk is strictly for the developers who wish that people took their jobs more seriously at dinner parties and isn't allowed to affect the bottom line. It helps to be a bit cynical to make sense of these things.

But it isn't really young kids who start this sort of behaviour although they are quick to pick it up and use it in a more tasteless way than adults.

Your first statement couldn't be more wrong. Xbox Live is actually starting in the right direction. If you make an account with a fake birthday and it is found out, it will be banned. Being found out on the other had though needs a bit more work.

If the birthday set on the account is under 18 you are forbidden access to free digital content that is rated above your current age. And it is blocked until the age on the account reaches 18, at which point you may graduate your account. Blocking paid content howevey, at current, is up to the owner of the content and not Microsoft. Hopefully this will change soon.

I wouldn't be surprised if in the near future if the age determines the games that can be played. Sadly at current though it is up to parents to be responsible and set it themselves.

And it's not mainly kids who are responsible for it? Pretty much everyone I have ever played with who talks like that on Xbox Live, PSN, Vent, and Team Chat are of the <17 category.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Being found out on the other had though needs a bit more work.

I'm not convinced that the same effort will be put into detecting and enforcing this that goes into anti piracy measures.

I think that if a parent sets parental controls on a console then they shouldn't be able to play an unmoderated game online. Are we saying that the xbox lets accounts that have their age to 10 play an 18 rated game? I'm sure that when I was 15 though I would have laughed at the idea of setting my age on a console to my real age so that I couldn't play a violent game.

Plenty of people who are 20 or older are pretty capable of being offensive and sounding immature but again online FPS are mainly appealing to teenagers, I think.

 

[Robborboy]

I think that if a parent sets parental controls on a console then they shouldn't be able to play an unmoderated game online. Are we saying that the xbox lets accounts that have their age to 10 play an 18 rated game? I'm sure that when I was 15 though I would have laughed at the idea of setting my age on a console to my real age so that I couldn't play a violent game.

Age setting != parental control.

Age setting dictates available digital content on Xbox Live.

Via parental controls a parent can set the account to only allow say, E rated games and G rated movies.

Without parental controls set the account can play whatever disc based game they play.

Setting you age is required by Xbox live, and falsifying it can result in a ban which brings me to:

I'm not convinced that the same effort will be put into detecting and enforcing this that goes into anti piracy measures.

As of current, no that won't be happening. However should laws be passed that require someone to be a certain age before being able to access video games of a certain rating, it WILL happen.

Plenty of people who are 20 or older are pretty capable of being offensive and sounding immature but again online FPS are mainly appealing to teenagers, I think.

Sure they are, but capability to do something does not result in it actually happening. Most of the problem with cursing and racism comes from children who are fed video games to leave their parents alone.

To deny that would be.....silly at best.

Just remember. Xbox live is the worst if you consider the unusually large amount of D-bags with CoD/BF/MoH, children with the same games but a new swear word and a mic, and jerks that were banned from that game for PC.

Xbox live is not a representation of all gamers, should not be used for such purpose, and something about have X in the name attracts douche bags to it.

Most of the grief I have ever had from the PC community. Anywhere from how "their new gee pee yuu is so gud dey get zero lag and will pwn u"(voice to text transliteration) to racist remarks somehow tying in with being too poor to afford whatever have you, to just saying things to be saying.

Xbox is far from the worst culprit. The main reason people even say that so much is because a mic is included with ever console. Whereas others require you to buy one separately.

And while the language IS prevalent on Xbox, it is mild, even tame, compared to what I experience daily while playing PC games.

And you say "banned from PC" as though it is not as easy to get around as having a new email address.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

@Robborboy; The ban for entering the wrong age doesn't sound like a very strong deterrent to me and it apparently doesn't work. If they tried to pass laws to enforce it in some way then I'm pretty sure that the games industry would be on the front line fighting it and that internet sites that like to talk about taking the medium seriously would be on the front lines fighting it. Which is my original point. I'll admit that young people are scum with no self control but adults are not much better. I'd like to see some real data instead of anecdotes which we will not be likely to get.

 

[Jewrean]

Everyone who's not a generic white male has to put up with it

"Everyone has to put up with it."

Fixed. It doesn't matter who or what you are. They will find a way to insult you. Even for being generic.

 

[Amberella]

I'm a female gamer and I stopped playing online for those reasons.
Although I would also get stupid, idiotic boys asking me to send them pictures of me or something retarded like that.

I only play online now with my boyfriend for those very reasons. Either that or in a group of friends with my boyfriend.

My boyfriend makes sure they leave me alone. <3

 

[squid5580]

The violent. Err...ignore that last part.

Well your biggest problem is that you're on XBL. Females are on mics in Steam games all the time, and beyond the initial gasps of surprise, people just move on and keep playing/talking as they normally would.

Really? The only game I play on Steam is CounterStrike:Source, and while it isn't as bad as XBL it's still pretty bad on most servers.

I used to game with a lady named "DeathawaitsU" almost nightly in Fear on xbl. She kicked ass and took names. She never made a big deal about being a female. She would always chat though. Call people out when she humiliated them and for lack of a better explanation she acted like one of the guys. And very rarely did any random people come in and try anything like you describe. And if they did they didn't try for long because she would put them in their place verbally rather quickly then pwn them in the game.

During the same time I ended up playing alot with this other girl who acted like a little girl. She would make it quite clear she was a girl. She would hit on all the guys. And say stupid shit like "WHAA don't shoot me I'm a girl." One time she got some random guy to start having XBL sex with her (this is all before the party system). And most of the guys would act like drooling idiots with her around.