Why Bronies (and Pretty Much Everyone) Should Hate the Brony Documentary

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Bashfluff

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secretkeeper12 said:
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Yes! That's exactly what I'm saying. Every fandom has death threats. Every fandom has porn. Not every leader kills millions of people, which is why your comparison is dumb. Documentaries, again, aren't arguments. There shouldn't be negative shit about the show for its own sake. We don't talk about the rare purple chested troll fucker in nature documentaries and say, "Hey, but some people don't like this animal!"

No. A documentary is not an argument or a discussion. It's purpose is to tell you about the subject. This is the fandom. This is how it came to be, and this is why. This is how the internet reacted, this is the relationship to the different providers of the content, here's some notable stuff the fandom has done, and here is where the future of the fandom seems to be headed. It's not hard to make one of these, folks...
What about militant bronies who constantly insert ponies into every discussion? What about the controversy that occurred over the banning of a certain rule 34 artist (I believe the escapist had a thread on that very thing, even)? What about all sorts of other negative things that happen in the brony community? Dismissing them all by saying "they happen everywhere" is painfully weak.
I've already stated things that are not positive you could talk about in my op. People who are fanatical about their hobbies exist everywhere. I don't know what controversy you're talking about, but...how is that relevant? What negative things are you talked about? Be more specific. I'm not dismissing anything that's negative by saying they happen everywhere. I offered a few of my own.
 

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Dangit2019 said:
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Don't you think you might be taking this too seriously? If I'm a fan of something, I'm a fan because it's fun.
Wait, the show, or the documentary?

Because I don't usually put the show under any sort of microscope above a basic standard of a cartoon, but when someone makes a documentary with the pure intent of reassurance instead of information, than I just have a problem with that, and wish to discuss it. You know, on a discussion website.
I think you are over-thinking this. Some people have made a "documentary" about things about a fan base that they enjoy. Why is this a problem? Do the makers of the video make the claim that they are giving a balanced, informative viewpoint on all possible aspects of the fandom, at any point?
 

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Reeve said:
I think you are over-thinking this. Some people have made a "documentary" about things about a fan base that they enjoy. Why is this a problem?
Because it pretty much misrepresented the fan base that it said it wanted to represent.

Do the makers of the video make the claim that they are giving a balanced, informative viewpoint on all possible aspects of the fandom, at any point?
That's pretty much the point of any documentary: to inform the viewer of something. How good the documentary is is based on how well it informs people and the way that it does it.

This documentary, on the other hand, didn't want to inform people of a bigger picture, it wanted to spread deliberately information to further its cause (ie the textbook definition of propaganda).

 

runic knight

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hmmm, not really my subject here, though I keep hearing people complain they didn't show the dark side of fandom. My first question was: For the star trek or star wars documentaries, did they mention the themed pornos that had been released? Pretty sure not. Why does this one have to?

Death threats... well, depends if we are talking mailed-in letter stalker-dome here or anonymous internet asshole territory. Sad, but it does make a difference.
 

IamLEAM1983

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This is a bit strange. Isn't it par for the course for any given fandom to want to portray itself in the best possible light? I'm not condoning it, but it feels like something I'd do if I were part of a fairly rabid fandom. Take the Bronies who claim they'll "love and tolerate the shit out of me" because I dare to bring up a conflicting point of view? Isn't that passive-aggressive? You're not buying back the aggression quotient of "beating the shit out of me" by replacing "beating" with "loving and tolerating".

Considering, I'm pretty happy to report I'm the most casual Brony ever. I watch the show for the cameos and the animation styles, and I think I'm mature enough to admit this thing exists to push plastic shit and asinine grade-school morals. Even then, those morals are there because of E/I regulations; as you can bet your ass that Hasbro would want to get away with a female take on "Ren and Stimpy" if they could, in terms of cohesion and actual intent. Instead of getting cute little morals about friendship and teamwork and whatnot, we'd get an nth diatribe about shopping. Or something.

"My Little Pony: Getting My Parents' Visa Invoice to Spike into the Red Zone is Magic"

As for John De Lancie "spearheading" the documentary project, I'm cynical about that. It's already been mentioned that he's only ever participated in Trekkie conventions for the cash. On the whole, he seems like an excessively detached actor. As much as I enjoy Discord, he's nothing more and nothing less than a Q send-off, reworked into another occasion to showcase the power of Friendship with a capital F - because that's always decent filler when the old brain cells run dry.

As for the fun references I tune in for? They're mostly there to placate the potential young parents in our midst who might be stuck watching this with their progeny. Not necessarily because Lauren Faust's a geek and M.A. Larson's a geek and because there's a kind of Pop Culture Cred they need to prove they have and constantly have to invoke. The show's not proceeding ahead *for* the Bronies - it's proceeding ahead *in spite* of the Bronies. That's what the most rabid fans out there keep forgetting.

A poster above me mentioned feeling potentially uncomfortable around a guy who might've found validation or support throughout MLP. I'm tempted to agree, but I'm also reminded of Trekkie couples and Star Wars flings. I figure being a Brony and being "man" enough at the same time is more than possible. It just depends on your ability to understand that there's a time and a place for that Rainbow Dash hoodie of yours; a time and a place for show quotes or for showcasing your love of the series to others.

Take me. I used to watch a girls-oriented piece of fluff back in the early nineties, called "Sky Dancers". There was some world-building involved, which "Dragon Flyz" lacked. That was enough to draw me to the pastel colours and eternal mullets of the Wingdom. "Dragon Flyz" basically involved Winged Space Marines and the requisite Butch Girl who spent their time flying around, shooting at their demonic counterparts. Truly riveting stuff. The female-oriented series had its mythology, lore, background and character-developing moments, in comparison.

Does that mean I came to consider myself as the definitive authority on all things Sky Dancers? Of course not. I knew it was a shameless attempt at getting girls to buy fancy doll-shaped string-pulled propellers that were rumoured to have sliced open a few pre-teen eyes and faces. I knew it was utterly vapid and without any ounce of intellectual value.

You'd think people would still be able to do that with MLP. Because it parrots the word "friendship" a couple times, though, wouldn't ya know, it's all swell and dandy. Grade-A worthwhile entertainment, even for guys who aren't only of the wrong gender, but out of the target demographic by more than two decades, in some cases!

Like I said - it's more than a little bit strange, when you think about it. My guess is if "adult" cartoons weren't so exclusively gore-filled or focused on furthering a comically cynical view of the world, we wouldn't be forced to fall back onto MLP, Foster's or Adventure Time. If anything, this proves some persons are still looking for some nicely humble and cheery cartoons, well into their thirties.
 

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I might watch it, I am not a fan of the show at all but if the documentary is fair and offers something other than "some men watch cartoons" it might be worth watching. But if it's just a movie praising the culture of bronies than I'll pass. watching MLP doesn't make you lame but it's not fair to assume all fans of MLP are Casanova's

for example this cringe worthy video:

 

Dangit2019

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Limecake said:
But if it's just a movie praising the culture of bronies than I'll pass. watching MLP doesn't make you lame but it's not fair to assume all fans of MLP are Casanova's
Oh, it is absolutely that for an hour and half. When it gets to a point where I and other bronies start calling bullshit on how saccharine it is, it's safe to assume that it's that bad.
 

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Reeve said:
Don't you think you might be taking this too seriously? If I'm a fan of something, I'm a fan because it's fun.
Same here.
"Hey, look at this thing. Do I enjoy this thing? Yes. I want more of this thing."
Anyway.
That's a shame, while having a positive attitude is nice, you need to take the bad with the good to balance it out, you know?

Captcha: easy as cake
If only, Captcha, if only...
 

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So BashFluff...

So it's meant to tell you about a subject...but only the good parts. Because documentaries on the Nazis and the Belgian Congo Company seem to miss that. And I don't see Vietnam documentaries talking about the nice weather and friendly locals playing tag in the street with American soldiers. I guess if somebody made a documentary about you they would have to neglect the eating lead paint chips.
 

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runic knight said:
hmmm, not really my subject here, though I keep hearing people complain they didn't show the dark side of fandom. My first question was: For the star trek or star wars documentaries, did they mention the themed pornos that had been released? Pretty sure not. Why does this one have to?

Death threats... well, depends if we are talking mailed-in letter stalker-dome here or anonymous internet asshole territory. Sad, but it does make a difference.
Were these documentaries about the show itself or about the fans? Because if it's about the show, then themed porn would likely be out of it's scope. If it's about the fans however, then you I would think it deserves a mention, even if brief.

And yes, the death threats should probably be mentioned.
 

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MLP is one of those funny phenomenas that I like sticking me head into see what kindof crazy crap they'll be up to now, but have never been interested in the show (sisters watched thesis out of it when they were kids, stopping me from watching Dinosaur Riders, and it was too cute for me to bear watching.)

But I'll throw in my two cents, as with a lot of comments I've seen the 'every fandom gets rule 34'd, so what makes MLPso special", well as about arts enthusiast. I can tell that if anything defined the phrase it would definitely be MLP. There's so much porn of it, they've often been given their own boards away from the others, and their own bloody sections. They're also the least sexiest things I've seen, how anybody thinks they're sexy escapes me.

Also the "we're not like Furries in any way", yeah like sports fans are nothing like nerds.
 

The Lunatic

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MrHide-Patten said:
Also the "we're not like Furries in any way", yeah like sports fans are nothing like nerds.

As a person who is a furry, I find this statement probably the most hilarious.


They're furries with a poorer taste in art.
 

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I enjoyed watching the first season with my little sister but what did you expect from a kickstarter documentary started by Bronies and funded by Bronies. Did you think it would end up as anything other than some self-masturbatory material for Bronies to convince themselves they're totally cool? I think foreverpandering hit the nail on the head about the whole kickstarter documentary thing.


Dangit2019 said:
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Can someone provide a link to this documentary?
It's at bronydoc.com, if you're willing to shell out $12.
Seriously? They're CHARGING people to watch it? That's scummy as hell.
 

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VanQQisH said:
Dangit2019 said:
Reeve said:
Can someone provide a link to this documentary?
It's at bronydoc.com, if you're willing to shell out $12.
Seriously? They're CHARGING people to watch it? That's scummy as hell.
Would it surprise you if I said that the film has had a big problem with pirating?

Also, I was almost going to post that video, but decided against it because I didn't have the right context. Thanks for sharing it though.
 

Reeve

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I've just watched the "trailer."


It looks like a parody. I was in constant anticipation of the Mega64 ending logo (with the beep noise) to play at the end.
 

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Reeve said:
I've just watched the "trailer."

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It looks like a parody. I was in constant anticipation of the Mega64 ending logo (with the beep noise) to play at the end.
This works even better:

 

Reeve

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Dangit2019 said:
Reeve said:
I've just watched the "trailer."

snip

It looks like a parody. I was in constant anticipation of the Mega64 ending logo (with the beep noise) to play at the end.
This works even better:

I agree; or a combination of both for maximum effectiveness!